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Poland's post-election political scene


Harry
28 Sep 2016 #2,191
If you read Polish you'd know That Cat Roboszuk and That Cat
Kozłowskiwere named in the link.

Please stop with your fantasies: neither of those men are even mentioned in that article. The only name given in that article is Jackiewicz, who was recently fired for being too much of a cronyist for even the 18% regime!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Sep 2016 #2,192
the neo-nazis can just march

But Nowczesna's Neo-Nazis are unwilling to march elsewhere. In fact they're just hoping for a nice-punch-up so some paparazzo can snap a riot policeman swinging his baton and then the GW, NYT, WaPo, CNN gang can splash it all over the net. You and the entire poor excuse for an oppositon follow Goebbels' propaganda techniques to a T.

see a magazine funded with money

Nots urpłrising to see a paper bankrolled by That Cat Soros writing such anarcho-lefitst-libertine codswallop which people of your ilk readily lap up and ask for more dirt.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
2 Oct 2016 #2,193
That Cat Soros

nice to see that cat Polonius loosening up and getting with the last slang.... groovy!

Nowczesna's Neo-Nazis

Do you have any evidence for this outrageous claim? (answer: of course not)
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Oct 2016 #2,194
last slang

"Cat" and "cool" can hardly be called the latest slang, as they go back at least to the 1940s. Just goes to show how bird-brains think they are so "cool" using such outdated slang.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
2 Oct 2016 #2,195
"Cat"

Well Harry's use of the word "cat" is meant to suggest that Duda is simply the president's pet (and has no more real power than does Jarosław's pussy (cat)). Nothing that's happened in politics since he's been elected contradicts that.
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 Oct 2016 #2,196
Indeed, Kaczynski boasted about that in front of a large audience.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Oct 2016 #2,197
Nothing that's happened in politics

A number of his legislative projects have been adopted. Besides, he is a man of goodwill, visitng far-flung corners of hte country and assuring people that the good-change government rememebrs them and their needs. The Polish presidential office is not that of France or the US, but Duda is far from being just a figurehead.
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 Oct 2016 #2,198
Besides, he is a man of goodwill

On the basis of his weak record, it is stretching things to say he is a person of good will, and stretching it even more to say he is anything other than a marionette for the ghastly Jaroslaw Kaczynski and his friend Macierewicz who are far from being people of good will.
Wulkan - | 3,250
2 Oct 2016 #2,199
Jaroslaw Kaczynski and his friend Macierewicz who are far from being people of good will.

Yes, they are people of good will no matter how much you don't like it.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
2 Oct 2016 #2,200
ghastly Jaroslaw Kaczynski

Have you ever met Kaczyński? The Michnikite press and other distorted media have demonised the poor man beyond recogntion. In late PRL Michnik and Kuroń were Jaruzelski's chief bugbears but after he met them he knew they would play ball with him. Aside from being a great political strategist, Kaczyński is a highly intelligent discusion partner and a warm congenial individual with a sense of humour.
jon357 66 | 17,078
2 Oct 2016 #2,201
Have you ever met Kaczyński?

Yes

The Michnikite press and other distorted media

There you go again...

And this former jailed dissident stilll garners more respect than JK ever will.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
3 Oct 2016 #2,202
garners more respect than JK

Michnik has never been subjected to unrelenting PO hate-industry attacks of the kind directed at Kaczyński for years.
jon357 66 | 17,078
3 Oct 2016 #2,203
Michnik has never been subjected

Well, Po, he's certainly been subjected to a wrongful jail term as a prisoner of conscience, during a period when Jaroslaw Kaczynski was living a privileged life among the Nomenklatura...
Harry
3 Oct 2016 #2,204
he's certainly been subjected to a wrongful jail term as a prisoner of conscience, during a period when Jaroslaw Kaczynski was living a privileged life

Two, actually; one of which came years before Chairman Kaczynski volunteered to prosecute the likes of Mr Michnik.

Anyway, seen the latest polls? All the publicity about the 18% regime getting their snouts wedged into the trough, and the utter idiocy over changes to abortion law, seem to have not gone down well: PIS support has fallen to 29% and Nowoczesna are up to 25%.
Wulkan - | 3,250
3 Oct 2016 #2,205
PIS support has fallen to 29% and Nowoczesna are up to 25%.

Oh dear! too bad the elections are in 3 years hahaha
Morinding - | 1
3 Oct 2016 #2,206
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OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Oct 2016 #2,207
among the Nomenklatura...

That was Michnik's youth -- cushy flat in Aleja Stanów Zjednoczonych in a neighbourhood populated by the red bourgeoisie, access to special yellow-curtain shops reserved for PZPR operatives and their fmailies. Kaczyński had nothing to do with the nomenklatura.

PIS support has fallen to 29%

Funny,a nobody heard a peep out of you when PiS was up to 41%? Poll results fluctuate, but nobody ever made a bigger fool of themselves than PO. In 2005 they plastered the country with billboards promoting a President from Kashubia and a PM from Kraków. They repeated their folly last year being sure incumbent Bronek would be a shoo-in for president and that PO would remain in power.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
4 Oct 2016 #2,208
promoting a President from Kashubia and a PM from Kraków

Okay, I get why you don't like Kaszub (german cooties) but what's wrong with Kraków? For someone who claims to be a patriot there's an awful lot of your supposed countrymen that you dislike....

What up with that sh1tt?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Oct 2016 #2,209
what's wrong with Kraków

Nothing wrong with Kraków. Nor with Poznań, Białystok or whatever. This had nothing to do with individual cities but was meant to point up the arrogance and excessive self-confidence of PO who were 100% sure they would win.

BTW Kashubs are great in my books! Anyone who managed to preserve their language and heritage despite centuries of forced krautification deserve only admiration and praise.
Harry
4 Oct 2016 #2,210
That was Michnik's youth -- cushy flat in Aleja Stanów Zjednoczonych

Mr Michnik had a flat. Chairman Kaczynski had a villa. Mr Michnik was allowed into a shop. Chairman Kaczynski was admitted to the most sought-after university courses. Mr Michnik reacted by fighting for freedom to the extent that the regime locked him up. Chairman Kaczynski reacted by volunteering to prosecute the kind of people who did what Mr Michnik did.

Funny,a nobody heard a peep out of you when PiS was up to 41%?

Nobody else got a chance to post about them: you were always here crowing about them as soon as they were released. Strange how you've been so quiet about polls since PIS' chickens have started coming home to roost as the people of Poland find out about the PISite snouts wedged in the trough and about what it would mean to live in a pseudo-Catholic version of the Islamic State.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
4 Oct 2016 #2,211
olunteering to prosecute

It's PiS! edited
Still no proof that he VOLUNTEERED TO PROSECUTE DISSIDENTS, Another of your 1% truth lies.
Harry
4 Oct 2016 #2,212
Still no proof that he VOLUNTEERED TO PROSECUTE DISSIDENTS

I've already linked to the words of Chairman Kaczynski's brother confirming that they both volunteered to prosecute 'criminals', which back then also meant volunteering to prosecute the heroes such as Mr Michnik. I think Chairman Kaczynski still feels guilty about his actions then, which is why to this day he attacks real Polish heroes such as Mr Michnik and President Walesa and pretends he was their leader.
jon357 66 | 17,078
4 Oct 2016 #2,213
Still no proof

I've already linked to the words of Chairman Kaczynski's broth

Something of a technique by extremists in this thread and mirrored in Poland generally. Basically concrete proof is given and then they deny it's there hoping people won't read the whole thread and actually see the proof.

As we can see by PIS' plummeting ratings, most people aren't actually that stupid
Wulkan - | 3,250
4 Oct 2016 #2,214
As we can see by PIS' plummeting ratings, most people aren't actually that stupid

Ratings don't matter now so what's the difference.
jon357 66 | 17,078
5 Oct 2016 #2,215
Ratings don't matter now

Do tell...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Oct 2016 #2,216
which back then also meant volunteering

I figured there's be such a back-out as the insinuation that it "also meant", "could've meant", "might've meant"... Sensitive or controversial cases were routinely assigned to tried and tested loyal PZPR types. If for some reason Kaczyński had been put on a dissident case, he would undoubtedly have refused outright or would have pulled an Italian strike or some other delaying or sabotaging tactic. You wouldn't know this because all you know about PRL is what soft-on-commies people of Michnik's ilk have written.

So yet another of your hare-brained harryisms has been put to rest. Like the govt property at knock-down prices. What about that "hilarious" bio you promised?
Harry
5 Oct 2016 #2,217
If for some reason Kaczyński had been put on a dissident case, he would undoubtedly have refused outright or would have pulled an Italian strike or some other delaying or sabotaging tactic.

Prosecutors in Poland, as in most countries, swear an oath to uphold and defend the law without favour. They are strictly forbidden from refusing to uphold the law; for example a fundamentalist Mormon would not be allowed to refuse to prosecute a bigamist on the grounds that his religion says bigamy is just fine. So Chairman Kaczynski either intended to break his oath (something of which there is no evidence at all) or to prosecute dissidents (something evidenced by him volunteering for a job which required people to do that).

all you know about PRL is what soft-on-commies people of Michnik's ilk have written.

No, I also know what the paid shills of the PZPR wrote about it, which is remarkably similar to what the paid shills of PIS write about the Poland which some people call the PiSlamic State.

Anyway, anybody else noticed the disgusting actions of Ziobro, taking revenge on a judge for ruling against him in a defamation case two years ago by sacking her due to a grand total of zero complaints being filed against her?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Oct 2016 #2,218
prosecute dissidents

Repeating this willl not make it true. Dissidents accounted for less than 1% of all cases and such cases were reserved for trusted die-hard PZPR prosecutors. Secondly, one need not keep an oath made to a hostile, Soviet-occupied puppet state. So again you are creating hypothetical situations based on your well-known malevolence and ignorance. Par for the course for the forum's LL.
mafketis 24 | 9,387
5 Oct 2016 #2,219
Dissidents accounted for less than 1% of all cases

In the People's Republic of Poland, a majority of the citizens supported socialism...
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Oct 2016 #2,220
citizens supported socialism

On the surface to be sure. But deep down... PRL-era Poles were like radishes -- red on the outside. When a totalitarian occupation authority takes over, everything from a passport to a diploma, job, building permit, etc. depedns on the good graces of the regime, and people do have to live, support their families and try to function as best they can.

They are strictly forbidden

Poles were strictly forbidden from blowing up Nazi supply trains in the General Governorate, and Americans were forbidden from dumping British tea into Boston Bay in the late 1700s... But when hostile enemy occupation occurs, and PRL was an occupied puppet state, those niceties are not binding and defiance inlcuding sabotage is a patriotic act.

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