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Poland's post-election political scene


jon357 66 | 17,068
5 Oct 2016 #2,221
PRL was an occupied puppet state

Wrong again, Po. The PRL (which you chose to move to) was a sovereign state, recognised by both my country and yours as well as by the UN. Try harder.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Oct 2016 #2,222
recognised by both my country and yours

It was a puppet state recognised by the addle-brained, degenerating FDR over the opposition of Churchill. If it were not, there would have been no reason to overturn it in 1989. The very fact that PRL parroted the Kremlin's version that Katyń was the work of Germans, whilst every Pole knew the truth, and Soviet occupation forces were stationed on Polish territory proves the fact that PRL was no sovereign, independent state.

Whenever you're proved wrong you usually squeal that the soruce was unreliable, and you'll probably do it again. But Wikipedia states clearly:
"At the time of its founding during final stages of World War II, Poland was regarded as a puppet entity set up and controlled by the Soviet Union,[2] and over time, it developed into a satellite state of the Soviet Union.[3]

PiSlamic State

So your left pinky is not paralysed after all. Incidentally, how does PiSlamic differ from the POO party. Neither is the proper name which you have always so adamantly defended. Have you forgotten? Sampling 50 beers again today?
Harry
5 Oct 2016 #2,223
Incidentally, how does PiSlamic differ from the POO party. Neither is the proper name which you have always so adamantly defended.

PiSlamic State (written that way to avoid confusion about capital i and small L in the font used here) is not the name of a political party. The description, I'm told, refers to the wider state PIS seem to promote, where, for example, racism and homophobia are seen as completely acceptable. One of the foundations of the PiSlamic State is the media empire of Father Rydzyk, who is not and never has been a member of PIS. Duda is not a member of PIS but is a pillar of the PiSlamic State.

the wider state PIS seem to promote, where, for example, racism and homophobia are seen as completely acceptable.

And, of course, where nepotism is completely acceptable. Talking of which, while everybody's attention was focused on the abortion fiasco, today PIS rammed a bill through the sejm which removes even the pretense of competition for top jobs in the Military Property Agency, thus clearing the way for dozens more Misiewiczow (i.e. people entirely unqualified for state-funded jobs which they get solely through loyalty to PIS). Oink oink!
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Oct 2016 #2,224
PiSlamic State

So Scam Platform is a better name for PO than the POO party because it is a precise description of how the Tusk & Kopacz mafia operate. I'm all for it. We can't wait for crooked Tusk to end up in the dock for interrogaiton over the AmberGold scam in which he and his family were involved. Bring thre popcorn, the show is about to start!
Harry
5 Oct 2016 #2,225
Scam Platform is a better name for PO than the POO party

It might be better, it might not; but here we are forbidden from changing the names of people and political parties, so I'd caution against using it.

Anyway, what are your thoughts about PIS' new law removing even the pretense of competition for top jobs in the Military Property Agency, thus clearing the way for dozens more Misiewiczow? Do you think the 'President of all Poles' will veto the proposed law or will he just say "Oink oink"?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Oct 2016 #2,226
we are forbidden from changing

What about PiSlamic State ? That is mocking the PiS party, and it is highly offensive to everyone.
The good change govt is still cleaning up the post-PO mess. PO gave the helicopter deal to French Airbus despite a poor offset arrangement when there were two helicopter factories in Poland. The govt has terminated the negotiations with the frogs. And nobody had as many oldboys in cushy posts than PO, except that somehow never bothered you. Yes,you are the truly the epitome of fairness. NOT!

people entirely unqualified

And you are the alfa & omega expert on people's qualfications.

pretense of competition

An adequate term because the PO regime was known for its tender fixing. What's the good of a tender or job competiton if the winner (who pays the highest bribe) is agreed behind the scenes? If there was a crooked way of doing things, the Platformer regime made use of it. In the past I have linked to PO's 500 scams and unkept promises, but unfortunately you read no Polish, and it's not available in Anglo-jabber.
Harry
6 Oct 2016 #2,227
you are the alfa & omega expert on people's qualfications.

I can read Polish law, which is more than the PISites can do, as is shown by all of the illegal appointments they have made. Or would you prefer to tell us that they can read Polish law but simply think it doesn't apply to them? It's either one thing or the other.

I have linked to PO's 500 scams and unkept promises

Yes, the problem is that most of those turned out to be as real as your invisible police attack dogs and babies forcibly micro-chipped by the EU.

you read no Polish, and it's not available in Anglo-jabber.

Always good to see you resorting to off-topic ad hom trolling: that tells us all you know you can't hope to discuss facts because those are so stacked against you.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Oct 2016 #2,228
read Polish law

Is there a Polish law against appointing trusted people to key posts? Where is it: civil code (?), paragraph, section, points, subpointa? There is one against tender fixing and that was a part and parcel of the PO regime's standard MO. Except you never once complained. Interesting, eh?
Harry
7 Oct 2016 #2,229
Is there a Polish law against appointing trusted people to key posts?

If, as was the case with Misiewicz, a person does not have the minimum professional qualifications required by law to be appointed to the board of a state-owned company, yes, it is illegal to appoint them to that board.

If, as was the case with Misiewicz, a person does not have the minimum education level required by law to be appointed to the board of a state-owned company, yes, it is illegal to appoint them to that board.

If, as was the case with Goss (who 'lent' Chairman Kaczynski 200,000zl), a person already sits on the board of a state-owned company, yes, it is illegal to appoint them to sit on the board of a second state-owned company. And to that of a third state-owned company. And to that of a fourth state-owned company. And to that of a fifth state-owned company.

If, as was the case with Szota, a person does not have the experience needed to be appointed to the board of a state-owned company, for example they are appointed as the deputy director of the research department of Poland's largest gas company on the basis that they have experience owning a kebab stand, no, it is not illegal to appoint them but it damn well should be.

There is one against tender fixing and that was a part and parcel of the PO regime's standard MO.

If you have evidence that any tenders were fixed during the previous governments, I would urge you to contact the public prosecutor so a formal investigation can be started and the guilty held to account.
Wulkan - | 3,250
7 Oct 2016 #2,230
I would urge you to contact the public prosecutor so a formal investigation can be started and the guilty held to account.

Just like you do it with PiS for example.
mafketis 24 | 9,385
7 Oct 2016 #2,231
Is there a Polish law against appointing trusted people to key posts?

Is this a quote from the book: "Things very corrupt people say?"

If PiS really is about transparency (ha!) and against corruption (double ha!) they would make the process of appointments more open to scrutiny and make it harder for people to appoint their cronies.

But if it was good enough for the PRL it's good enough for PiS seems to be the general rule.
Harry
8 Oct 2016 #2,232
Just like you do it with PiS for example.

There's no need for me to report those events to the prosecutor: they have already been reported to the prosecutor. No prosecutor will take action while the 18% regime are in power (or they'd lose their job, as the example of the prosecutor who opened an investigation into that cat Duda refusing to obey rulings of the constitutional court shows), but luckily the statute of limitations on those crimes expires after the next election, so the guilty will need to answer for their crimes.

But if it was good enough for the PRL it's good enough for PiS seems to be the general rule.

Exactly. My hope is that after the next election a lot of these trough jobs will disappear when the state-owned companies are sold off. Even better would be a constitutional amendment requiring all publicly paid posts to be filled through open public recruitment.
Wulkan - | 3,250
8 Oct 2016 #2,233
but luckily the statute of limitations on those crimes expires after the next election, so the guilty will need to answer for their crimes.

Just Like PO answered for their crimes?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Oct 2016 #2,234
urge you to contact the public prosecutor

Thanks but no thanks. Snitching is your forte. Meanwhile that resentful and frustrated KODite Tomasz Lis shot himself in the foot when he decided to conduct a Newsweek political-preference poll. The results knocked him out of his chair:

59%PiS
21%.Nowoczesna
11%PO
9%Kukiz'15
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,235
Even better would be a constitutional amendment requiring all publicly paid posts to be filled through open public recruitment

Long overdue but doesn't play well with all the PIS minions who want their TKM at the moment.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Oct 2016 #2,236
PIS minions

The Platformers had 8 years to bleed the country dry with their scams, kickbacks and failed contracts of the Airbus variety. Do they really want another round of their scandals, ruses and deceptions?
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,237
Don't be daft Po, especially in the light (if that's the right word) of the awful bunch we've got in power now. In power for a while, anyway.
Wulkan - | 3,250
10 Oct 2016 #2,238
In power for a while, anyway.

3 years.
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,239
It will pass like a flash.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Oct 2016 #2,240
In power for a while

At least 8 - 12 years. Maybe more! No-one wants the PO crooks calling the shots and lining their pockets again, no-one that is except the PO crooks and their cronies. Their scam potential is insatiable!
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,241
Unlikely, since their ratings are plunging and people have seen through their neo-fascist agenda already. The end of the beginning was a long time ago and we've already seen the beginning of the end.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Oct 2016 #2,242
PO crooks

Unlike the PO crooks who looked after the interests of foreign corproations with a view to the hefty kickbacks they could expect in return, the current pro-Polish good-change government first nad foremost defends the interests of Polish companies. That was the theme of Prime Minister Beata Szydło's address on Monday during a visit to the Świdnik helicopter works. The visit followed a decision by the government to cancel a military helicopter contract with France's Airbus company which had offered inadequate offset arrangements.

The previous Civic Platform-led government chose to purchase the 'Eurocopter' EC725 helicopters for 13.5 billion złotys (€3.2 billion) in April 2015, rejecting rival offers from the Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation and Leonardo's PZL Świdnik, both operating in Poland.
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,243
PO

Probably the best government Poland has had.

Prime Minister Beata Szydło's

Kaczynski's puppet; he even said as much himself.

Interesting that you avoid the topic of their plummeting poll ratings.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Oct 2016 #2,244
poll ratings.

You mean like the Newsweek poll where PiS got over 60%?

people have seen through

Not people, only your kind of "people" -- a peripheral fringe of pervs and weirdos. Meanwhile, Poland's and one of Europe's most influential politicians, Jarosław Kaczyński, has warned that the EU could collapse if they don't clean up thier.

European leaders, struggling to overcome an historic crisis following Britain's vote to leave the EU, remain divided over migration and economic policy. After more than a half century of closer integration, some fear the bloc risks breaking apart.

"The continent is changing rapidly and, as I see it, not for the better," Kaczynski was quoted as saying in German newspaper Die Welt.

The rise of populist parties across the continent, such as the Alternative for Germany, the National Front in France and anti-European parties in the Netherlands among others could cause the EU as it is to burst, he said.

"Either we reform the EU or it collapses."
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,245
PiS

Past tense, Po, past tense...
Wulkan - | 3,250
10 Oct 2016 #2,246
Probably the best government Poland has had.

That statement would be a massive insult to the previous governments. But it comes from someone with no credibility.
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,247
There you go again, trying to get personal when you have nothing to say. And yes, PIS have peaked already and it's now downhill all the way and a pleasure to watch.

The absolute watershed will come if Jaro appoints himself as Premier again.
Harry
10 Oct 2016 #2,248
Tomasz Lis shot himself in the foot when he decided to conduct a Newsweek political-preference poll. The results knocked him out of his chair:

How surprising that you give no source for that claim. So, which of two things have happened: not a single person said they're supporting any other political party or you've pulled that claim from the file marked 'invisible police attack dogs and babies forcibly micro-chipped by the EU'?
jon357 66 | 17,068
10 Oct 2016 #2,249
or you've pulled that claim from the file marked 'invisible police attack dogs and babies forcibly micro-chipped by the EU'?

I suspected as much. PIS is built on lies. Lies that are now becoming its downfall.
Harry
10 Oct 2016 #2,250
PIS is built on lies.

Some people can't keep their story straight for even a single day!

Newsweek ...
59%PiS

the Newsweek poll where PiS got over 60%


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