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Poland's post-election political scene


NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,101
If you put Kukiz in the PiS camp and the SLD into the PO/Nowoczesna camp - it's a 50/50 split between pro-government and the opposition.

Yeah! PO, SLD and Nowoczesna. Commies stick together lol
Wulkan - | 3,250
24 May 2016 #2,102
Can't believe 1/3 of the nation is still supporting those asses.

You need to understand that most Poles don't fall in KOD's lies.
NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,103
@Jardinero

Ah, more of the same old from the 'only true believers' (jedyni prawdziwi wyznawcy sPiSkowych teorii dziejów) - what drugs are you people on?!

Hahahhahahahaa No arguments so insults. Typical for Komuchy. Today's visit of Timmermans in Poland have left you with a black eye komunisto. Hahaha. Best day ever!
mafketis 24 | 9,385
24 May 2016 #2,104
most Poles don't fall in KOD's lies.

They prefer PiS's lies.
Wulkan - | 3,250
24 May 2016 #2,105
Hahahhahahahaa No arguments so insults.

Yep, try to insult him back and he'd cry to the mod like a b1tch :-)

They prefer PiS's lies.

Indeed, PiS lies are by far better than KOD lies :-)
NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,106
Mafketis didn't even deny KOD lies lol. All those leftist weirdos are DEVASTATED by Timmermans statement.

Every True Pole Loves It. Hahahahaha
Wulkan - | 3,250
24 May 2016 #2,107
Mafketis didn't even deny KOD lies lol

There is nothing to deny, very few are brave enough to make a fool of themselves and do so :-)
Jardinero 1 | 407
24 May 2016 #2,108
what drugs are you people on?!

insults

What insults - just asking politely... surely, it must be something in your drinking water then that's responsible for the utter nonsense coming from you?

komunisto

Now this is more like an insult - although to some hard working proletarians in say North Korea that would no doubt be an honour ;-)
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 May 2016 #2,109
Frans Timmermans said earlier today that Constitutional Tribunal is a Polish internal thing to deal with and it shouldn't be decided outside of our country.

You do realise that what he meant is that Poland has to fix it, right? The EU can merely 'encourage' - which is what's happening at the minute. It's not the EU's job to make laws for Poland, it's Poland's job.

The gossip going around now is that Szydło has agreed that the three legally appointed judges will be sworn in, but I'll believe it when I see it.
NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,110
Seems Mafketis is the only true leftist Knight that left on the battlefield. Why you ask? Because he has "zakuty łeb" Rolf :))))
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 May 2016 #2,111
Notice how "NocyMrok" is such a patriot that he lives...in the UK :D

back to the topic please
Jardinero 1 | 407
24 May 2016 #2,112
delph.... not sure why you continue to bother conversing with imbeciles...
NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,113
@Delphiandomine

"You do realise that what he meant is that Poland has to fix it, right?"

Of course I do. Do you realise that our Pro-Polish govt was trying to do just that but was receiving additional struggle from anti-Polish scum like KOD that was spreading LIES about" endangered demlcracy" throughout the world? Now Timmermans statement is an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that those false statements were FALSE. Our pro-Polish govt now has a free hand to deal with the issue they would dealt with sooner if not those traitors crying. HahHhaha

And Delphiandomine I LIVE IN ZIELONA GÓRA, POLAND. Ask the Mod. He knows my IP. Loser getting back to insults and undermining my patriotism cóż he lacks any arguments hahahhahahahaa
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 May 2016 #2,114
our Pro-Polish govt

What pro-Polish government? They're increasing all sorts of taxes, the złoty is the worst performing currency in Europe, there's a complete mess in the legal system - this is pro-Polish? In which fantasy world?

Our pro-Polish govt now has a free hand to deal with the issue

You really are in dreamland if you think it's a "free hand". A Polish solution means that Poland has to find a solution. That means following the law.
NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,115
@Delphiandomine

It is Pro-Polish govt if you compare it with PO wich handed the land my (not yours) grandparents gave their lives for to foreign hands for pennies.

Of course we don't have a "free hand" literally since EU is a community and we do behave decently. We just have a "free hand" as the traitors, commies, KOD, and other enemies of our nation have now NOBODY they can lie to. Hahahhaa
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 May 2016 #2,116
It is Pro-Polish govt if you compare it with PO wich handed the land my (not yours) grandparents gave their lives for to foreign hands for pennies.

What are you going on about? The land law has already totally screwed up many Polish landowners.Far from being pro-Polish, it's actually ruined a lot of farmers livelihoods. A lot of farmers were looking forward to selling fields in undesirable places to pay for their retirement, only to have it snatched from under their nose.

Furthermore, the law has actually caused significant problems for farmers. It was quite normal for farmers to take loans mortgaged against their landholdings to pay for farm improvements - now they can't do it. They also cannot sell their land freely, which is complete madness - and very communist.

We just have a "free hand" as the traitors, commies, KOD, and other enemies of our nation have now NOBODY they can lie to. Hahahhaa

You really don't seem to understand what happened today, do you? The point is that it's clear that Poland has a final chance to sort it out. Now we wait and see what PiS come up with - though the only acceptable solution is for the three legally appointed judges to be sworn in.
NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,117
No Delphiandomine

You don't understand that the EU has just understood they have to compromise and their tools can't do much. They have to work with a solution hard and do it quickly. We have to deal with our problems on our own. EU is now weak. There's Poland's (and regardless what you say or lie Poland is a VERY important member. It is 40 million country with Warsaw being strategic economic city in Central/Eastern Europe placed in a strategic geo-political place. Now it's the time for us Poles taking an advantage of our geopolitical situation). There are migrants. There is Brexit. EU was never this weak.

Punishing Poland requires 100% of votes. You really believe Hungary will vote against us? Hehehe hehehe

Intermarium's emerging is nigh lol

Hopefully soon enough your anti-Polish arse gets a nice kick and catches an already airborne Ryanair aeroplane for a discounted flight home lol
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
24 May 2016 #2,118
You really believe Hungary will vote against us?

"Hey, Orban... remember that giant project you planned? That one that could provide plenty of high paid jobs for Fidesz? You need a few billion Euro, right? So...what do you say - vote against Poland and we'll transfer Poland's cash to you instead? Deal? Excellent."

Don't be so naive. Orban couldn't care less about Poland, he only cares about his own power. Screwing Poland over in exchange for a huge bribe would be nothing unusual for him.
NocyMrok
24 May 2016 #2,119
Just like EU!!! So you can see that!!! You actually can be saved!!!

Still I think Hungarians would think twice before destroying Poland. EU would not!
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
24 May 2016 #2,120
we do behave decently.

Attempted coup of the highest law in the land
Disgraceful refusal to contribute to the refugee crisis in ANY tangible way - drawing world-wide condemnation.
PIS politicians talking about refugees as if they were dogs while conveniently forgetting that Poles were once those "dogs" themselves
Sacking directors who can do the job and replacing them with horse killers
Threatening people with arrest
Badmouthing US presidents who saved the Balkans from wider genocide
Bank taxes taking money from the customer - when in reality the customer is king
Manipulating the media
Xenophobic rhetoric
Ridiculous audit claims as to financial "mismanagement"
Handing money out aka 500 zl without due diligence, and nothing for single mothers
Banging on about the sovereign importance of a medieval religion
Homophobia
Nationalists on our streets (2 blackshirts offered violence to me a week ago and kicked my dog). One of them got thrown against a wall and they were faced off.

Damaging the economy every DAY this band of nationalist clowns carry on.....

The list goes on and on and on and on.......

You have NO respect in Western Europe and they are laughing at you and your sort. And no, you do not behave decently in any meaning of the word
jon357 66 | 17,069
25 May 2016 #2,121
Attempted coup of the highest law in the land

Basically, they're getting desperate - the opposition against them at every level is so large.

You have NO respect in Western Europe and they are laughing at you and your sort. And no, you do not behave decently in any meaning of the word

In fact, slowly becoming a pariah state.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 May 2016 #2,122
Basically, they're getting desperate - the opposition against them at every level is so large.

Yep. It's now coming out that the 500+ programme is unfunded - the mayor of Wadowice (where JPII was from) came out on Monday and said that they simply don't have the funds to pay for all of it because central government hasn't transferred the cash - so they won't pay it because the alternative is taking money from the budget of the council (which means slashing municipal spending, including salaries).

Other administrations are saying the same thing about not having the money to support the administration of 500+
rmf24.pl/fakty/polska/news-powazne-problemy-z-obsluga-programu-rodzina-500-brakuje-pien,nId,2207616

There is a lack of money to support the program of Rodzina 500+. As determined by our reporters, the problem is in at least seven provinces.

The article goes on to say...

Provincial governors are trying to solve the problem temporarily, moving the funds for support for other benefits, which may run out of money for both the implementation of the program, as well as to other tasks delegated to local governments provinces

There's also a lot of gossip that within PiS, there is "strong opposition" to the programme. Those following Polish politics know that it's likely to be the Morawiecki camp that's against it, particularly as it's sucking up a lot of money that could be used to invest in Polish businesses.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
25 May 2016 #2,123
Zachodni-Pomorskie

You misspelt the voviodship, but regardless... West Pomerania (Szczecin region) is one of Poland's "riffrafflands". After ther war those ex-German territories were settled by a motley assortment of refugees, repatriates, horse thives, marauaders and other rootless types who are not typical of average Poles. Besides, the local vote in some remote backwater is of little significnace to the coutnry as a whole which has thrown off the yoke of the PO scamster/conman gang, opting instead for the real Poland serving the Polish nation, not oligarchs and post-communist cliques.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
25 May 2016 #2,124
You misspelt the voviodship

... Ugh, thank you Polonius, you're right. Writing in Polish is not my strong point :/

Besides, the local vote in some remote backwater is of little significnace to the coutnry as a whole

Well, you have to remember that the election was won in places like that - PiS limited the damage done there, whereas in 2007/2011, they were losing by a landside in those provinces. PiS won only 17% of the vote in 2011 in the town - from what I can see, PiS went from 3 to 5 MP's in 2015 in the electoral district.

Should be a warning call to PiS. The latest opinion polls are also very interesting from TNS:

Government : 34% good, 55% bad
Szydło : 40% good, 49% bad
Duda: 43% good, 47% bad

I dare say the days of Szydło are coming to an end. The electoral promises will be forgotten about as "Szydło's promises" and Morawiecki will get a shot at being PM.
AdrianK9 6 | 369
25 May 2016 #2,125
Disgraceful refusal to contribute to the refugee crisis in ANY tangible way - drawing world-wide condemnation.

What are you talking about? Poland has taken in tens of thousands of Chechens and Ukrainians. Poland is a sovereign country and the democratically elected government can decide who they want to or don't want to take in. Don't forget that PO didn't want to take in migrants at first either - namely because the majority of Poles don't want Arabs and Africans in their country.

Badmouthing US presidents who saved the Balkans from wider genocide

Actually, much of the Serbs were proven not guilty. Also, the fact that Croatia attacked Serbia first, Kosovars were killing Serb cops left and right, and that thousands of Serbs were massacred near Srebnica BEFORE July 1995 is somehow avoided.

Attempted coup of the highest law in the land

Kind of like how PO illegally put in it's own justices and PiS refused to accept them? Yes, they shouldn't of removed all of them, but the fact remains PO pulled a fast one before they were elected out.

Manipulating the media

You do realize that in many cases the government is the one who pays the people - hence, as their boss they can decide who to hire and fire

Xenophobic rhetoric

Polska dla Polakow!! Again, according to the University of Warsaw, 69% of Poles do not want non-white immigration in their country. That means we don't want Arabs and Africans that carry diseases and protozoa = ) The government is actually listening to the people who elected them. Don't forget - PO was very much against taking in migrants too till they gave into to EU pressure like a bunch of pu$$y lipped b!tches

Ridiculous audit claims as to financial "mismanagement"

You obviously don't know who owns most of assets in banks in Poland - it's foreigners. 60% of bank assets are foreign owned to be precise. The Warburgs literally WROTE Poland's bank privatization bill in 1991. Our banks are owned by international Zionist bankers - much like the banks of England and the US. It's time to change this for the good of the country and the people. Poles are sick of all these claims of a rapidly growing and healthy economy (which it is - no question about that) while the people are still poor compared to their western counterparts. Poland has been exploited by westerners and Zionists and used as a land of cheap labor - we're like the Mexico of Europe and it's time to change that.

Banging on about the sovereign importance of a medieval religion

Catholicism is supremely important in Poland and to Polish people. If you don't like Catholicism, Poland isn't the place for you. We are a religious conservative proud people. Catholicism will always remain a part of Poland. It is far too important to us and represents our history, our culture, our customs, and our traditions. Catholicism is one of the most important, arguably the most important, aspect of Poland's identity. (FYI - I'm referring to actual Poles - not the Jewish Poles like Michnik who's loyalties lie with his tribe and Israel)

Homophobia

We don't like gay people. Again, see the section about Catholicism. There's a reason why you see 'Zakaz Pedalowania' signs. According to a CBOS survey, the majority of Poles would not accept a gay teacher, priest, child minder, or even a gay boss. Poles do not believe in gay marriage and do not want gays to adopt children. We do not want to legalize deviant behavior - if that is what you seek - go a couple thousand km to the west. We don't want gay propaganda and gay marriage here.

Nationalists on our streets (2 blackshirts offered violence to me a week ago and kicked my dog)

Good. Serves you right for bad mouthing my country. Take it as a hint that you don't belong here and your beliefs are not welcome here - we don't want a multicultural, pro gay, race mixed, anti-Catholic society.

You have NO respect in Western Europe and they are laughing at you and your sort. And no, you do not behave decently in any meaning of the word

In case you haven't noticed, PiS along with many Poles is finally starting to realize that they don't really care a whole lot about what Brussels thinks about us. We finally have a government that is standing up to the EU and it's hegemony. A significant minority of Poles is even calling for Poland to leave to the EU because of how much they don't want migrants to come in.
whocares
26 May 2016 #2,126
Manipulating the media
Xenophobic rhetoric...

Parasites like those who write the above nonsense should be deported from Poland immediately.
They can return to their precious British empire. who murdered millions of Native Americans, enslaved millions of Negros,
invaded more countries than any other nation on the planet and so on.
Mr Wiech 2 | 38
26 May 2016 #2,127
Attempted coup of the highest law in the land

Oh shut up! only today that idiot Stępień couldn't explain how Trybunał is not breaking Constitusion, he couldn't, he was so pathetic hidding behind his law degree and being lecturer. We lawyers .....no wonder that our country is such a state if incompetent idiot like that is considered as an authority. Trybunał wnated to avoid trapping itself he was repeating like a stiupiy parrot......they;re suppused to follow the law and Constitusion not avoid traps...!
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
26 May 2016 #2,128
Parasites like those who write the above

This parasite has just finished an (unusual)18 hour day but plenty of it is taxable, so I am contributing more than you are son - so I kindly suggest you go and do one.

Only another three years and Poland can start growing again and get its pride back.

All of my points were axiomatic, and you don't even live in Poland do you, or are registered here, so what does it have to do with you?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
26 May 2016 #2,129
The latest opinion polls

Latching on to such poll results shows the oppositon is desperate and clutching at straws. Their days as a poltical force are numbered. as Petru and Schetyna struggle for the top leadership post. 4 June may well be their last big demo. Szydło did an admirable job of work, breaking ground in effectively virgin territory after PiS had been out of office for 8 years. Morawiecki is more convincing a politican and an expert in his field so he would mke a good PM. I'm sure you'd prefer him to Pawłowska or Macierewicz.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
26 May 2016 #2,130
You misspelt the voviodship,

Wulkan will be along presently with his usual pedantry - but the spelling, as you of course realise, is "voivodeship"

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