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Poland's post-election political scene


Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
8 May 2016 #1,861
the Polish police who estimated 45,000 idiots on parade

The police = perjuring lying scum in the pay of the authorities Polonius. You, as a commie hater, should know that axiom. A frankly astonishing oversight on your part.

As a citizen, try the same perjury - and see where that lands you.....
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,862
@nothanks (just before logging out!: "lol"! Poland being the most homogenous country in all Europe, how the hell can you have a lot of mixed couples? How many Poles do your know marrying or having black, or muslim, or jewish ... spouses/partners? check the % among Poles and for instance in countries like Britain or France where mixed couples are completely normal. In Poland it is close to 0%. As to Poles, when they are abroad, they keep themselves to themselves (whole neighborhoods in UK, in Northern France, a lot of villages are most entirely Polish).

Now, you mean to tell us that Poles are so open so tolerant! Gigantic "lol"! Poland is among the most racist and intolerant countres in all Europe. In May 2015 the EU commission issued a report (I posted it in PF at the time) according to which Poland is an oasis of xenophobia, racism, antisemitism, and homophobia. Just by reading 98% of messages here in PF, no big deal to understand that Poland is yes a most intolerant country. You hate yourselves and it is normal that you hate everyvody!

Now, I go! I have better things to do now that to feed racists and xénophobes
nothanks - | 640
8 May 2016 #1,863
As to Poles, when they are abroad, they keep themselves to themselves (whole neighborhoods in UK, in Northern France, a lot of villages are most entirely Polish).

For a supposed 20 Million immigrants abroad, I really have not found this to be the case.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 May 2016 #1,864
offensive

A great many people find Christophobia, pervert parades and the whole aborted concept of PC highly offensive.

enuinely newsworth

The rag-tag parade of KOD ranters, chanters and placard-wavers may have been newsworthy as kind of subcutlrual sidehow the first time round, maybe on 2 or 3 more occasions. But, believe me, now it's old hat, another boring also-ran recurring with hum-drum regularity, and THAT IS NOT NEWS!

perjuring lying scum in the pay

That sounds more like SB/TW/Michnik/Petru/Schetyna clique or post.communist, round-table mafia.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
8 May 2016 #1,865
A great many people find Christophobia, pervert parades and the whole aborted concept of PC highly offensive.

But Polonius - I know of a wood near Gdynia (was dog walking - really:))) ) - where the local exhibitionists/gays go in their cars on a Sunday........

So I will now avoid that wood..........it's their place of "worship".
Similarly, I have no interest in the Gay Rights Parades OR churches on a Sunday. I somehow manage to avoid both very easily.............

You??????? PS. Said wood is in Rzucewo :)
Ironside 50 | 10,939
8 May 2016 #1,866
No, I mean what you call "Polonia" and who claim to be "Polish".

What about them? I don't dig you! There are those that claim to be "Irish", "Italian" and so forth, what it has to do with anything? There some "French" in Louisiana and others in Quebec, they don't claim to be French because French are very snobbish and insular.

guess it's minimum 20 million

About 10 millions in the USA, and some where used to be Poland lands in the east. Few there and here, but what is your point? If not for their claims you wouldn't be able to tell them apart from their neighbors. What on Earth are you rumbling about?

When people are immigrants themselves

The point is these people are not immigrants, their ancestors were. Spot the difference!

MOST Poles, who seem to be genetically full of hatred.

Yes, and Jews are genetically to be usurers and French are born with a with flag stuck in their rectum, and 'we surrender' tooted on their forehead.

For a leftie bird you are full to the brim with prejudice and racism or is that hate?

As to Poles, when they are abroad, they keep themselves to themselves

How is that different to others? Especially to your preferred ethnicities and religions like Jews, Muslim but not only?
Immigrants form all walks of life and continents while immigrating in numbers tend to drift into the same regions and willing or not live in a close vicinity, is not as if they were pre-planning that.

check the % among Poles and for instance in countries like Britain or France where mixed couples are completely normal

Still they are overwhelming minority. Poles don't have colored people leaving in great numbers but Poland doesn't have heritage of colonialism, slavery and of importing cheap workforce into their country.

There were always materialistic and practical reasons for France and Britain looking as they look now. Funnily enough you look at the consequences for your greed motived actions and have a cheek to say that is the norm.

Hell, it isn't.
Are you stupid abut to claim that it has anything to do with racism attitudes of people in said countries?
Well, Moroccans I happened to knew in the time past claimed that French people are very racist. eat that!

In May 2015 the EU commission issued a report

Who cares for their reports. That is BS like all that commission.
So in Germany people are being murdered for being colored refugees is cool. where every day a refugee hostel go up in flames? In France Jews are hiding their identity to avoid being targeted, their places of worship are being attacked, and yes it is Poland that is xenophobic when no such things are going on and if an old headstone on unused Jewish cemetery is being sprayed by hoodlums ones a year - the POTUS feel the need to make a statement about it.

It stink to the high havens of double standards and hypocrisy but you all the same came here and prattle like a stupid little libtard.

All those figureheads for European corporations sitting in the EU commission are talking too - all they say is a lie and BS.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,867
@Iron: once more you show your ignorance (+ hatred, but normal for a bigot ;). In Louisiana and Québec, they are US and Canadian citizens respectively and that is the reason why they don't claim to be French but they of course don't hide being of French origin. Even in some parts of the US, French culture is still well alive. Do you know also that Jackie Kennedy's father (named Bouvier) was French from Nîmes? Do you know that John Kerry is related to France through his mother.... Well, propaby you don't because in your circles, you only know bigotted rednecks.... When Americans or Poles or Greeks or Tanzanians are proud of their countries, it is "normal" but when the French are proud of their country (check the number of tourists and you'll be amazed! ;)), their language (which has influenced English a lot since there are tens of thousands of French words in English and I'm sure you do use a lot of them all the time, there are also thousands of French words in Polish language, Polish national anthem praises a French guy (probably you don't even know ;)), their food, their "laïcité", it is wrong! Stop with your double standard if you want to ve credible.

As to Poles, there are a bit over 1,000,000 of them in France (some since the 19th century) who feel completely comfortable in France and are good French citizens (most of them don't even speak Polish but speak French 100%)

So once more, besides your (stupid') French bashing, what do you have for "arguement"??? ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NICHTS, NIĆ, QUE DALLE!

As to Poles, yes, they are closed as most of them are prejudiced and intolerant, as you are. Like Doug, if I had a Polish spouse, he was of course most educated, open minded (and also coming from a "historic" family) because obviously I would not have put up with a racist bigot like you and your mob are. Few Poles are open and tolerant but there are and these are the only Poles I interract with.
Jamaika
8 May 2016 #1,868
how many millions of Poles outside of Poland? I don't know, 20, 30, 40 millions ... No, I mean what you call "Polonia" and who claim to be "Polish".

Born in Poland? I would say approximately between 3 to 5 millions. Some of them are living outside Poland temporary.

Who cares? I know very little about the near of the Polish community. Beyond the ocean you can tell me all. In Poland there is no information of Polonia. For me, in theory the term Polonia doesn't exist. Yes, in Warsaw is the Foreign Ministry building or "Wspólnota Polska", which isn't in good opinion.

Example: the nearest Polonia in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine they are called "kresy" otherwise "Poland D". This has the synonyms in the press.

Other:
My family (cousins) have waived their Polish citizenship. They are US citizens. On the election didn't go. After thirty years asked for the granting of years of work in Poland. They received it, but I don't understand thereof. Children don't speak Polish. Reportedly the language is anachronistic.

As for the number of Polish immigrants. As a "mąż zaufania" PIS listened from people PO on the elections. The term Polonia:
Citizens legally working and aren't more than five years. The rest is deleted. I have no illusions if KOD wins in next election.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
8 May 2016 #1,869
@Iron: once more you show your ignorance

Thanks you, I take it as a compliment coming from you.

In Louisiana and Québec, they are US and Canadian citizens respectively and that is the reason why they don't claim to be French but they of course don't hide being of French origin.

So what exactly is your point? Why you bringing up all the time that "Polonia" thingee? Overall majority of them are of Polish origin and that is that. What it has to do with your line or reasoning? Do you even have a line of reasoning? Is that you are just jabbering away all that comes to mind?

Even in some parts of the US, French culture is still well alive.

Hey really? Would that be because French are keeping to themselves and don't mix with others?

Jackie Kennedy's father (named Bouvier) was French from Nîmes

Wasn't his mother Polish Radziwl? According to your he was "Polonia" then.

Do you know that John Kerry is related to France t

Hey, now I know why he is an arrogant dick. Takes after France.

Polish national anthem praises a French guy

Do you mean that not so short as a propaganda has it a Corsican?

Stop with your double standard if you want to ve credible.

Can you afford to board Chattanooga choo choo?

As to Poles, there are a bit over 1,000,000 of them in France (some since the 19th century

Geez there must be something in the water, them living two centuries or more.

comfortable in France and are good French citizens

Are they not French of Polish origin? Boy oh boy you need to keep your narrative consistent and logical on the pain of sounding like an idiot.

what do you have for "arguement"???

Plenty. I have proved that you are just a chatter box. You prattle and prattle and make little sense if anything.

As to Poles, yes, they are closed as most of them are prejudiced and intolerant, as you are.

So there is still a hope there after all.

Who cares?

A Franchie old bird evidently.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 May 2016 #1,870
gays go in their cars on a Sunday........

Before or after Holy Mass? They must be quite religious because active homos have indicated they want to be ordained to the priesthood.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,871
Well, stay with your KKK pals and keep hating people! My point re Québec and Louisiana, since they have Canadian and American passports and have left France in the 17th-18th centuries, it is obviously normal that they don't feel French citizens but nevertheless they have kept a lot of the culture (although their language is rather "weird") and are very proud of their French origins. It contradicts your "opinion" that they want to forget about France. In states like Vermont (= green mountain in French) there are also quite a few people of French descent and they are all proud of their origins. A lot of towns and cities in the US have French names (not only in Louisiana).

And as to the French of Polish origin, a lot of them don't even speak Polish and feel completely French. Here again, it contradicts your "opinion" according to you everything French is sh]]] and nobody feels comfortable with the French. For your info, there are some 1,000,000 people of Polish origin in France and barely 3,000 French (most of them being businesspeople, and the rest are mixed couples (and yes, the French are so ****** that some of them have even married to Poles ;)) in Poland. Like Henri IV once said 'la messe est dite" ;)

You should stop reading your tabloïds and watch Fox News so you would not be so ignorant ;) (well, I lived in America so I know that over there, you are very ignorant about the world)

And yes, if Poles have chosen to praise a foreigner it is only because they have a great opinion of him.

Grow up and meet people, including French (and not only) and you would understand that they are normal people and not hard to get along with and enjoy life ;). But with your (stupid) préjudices hard to meet people!
gregy741 4 | 1,204
8 May 2016 #1,872
But with your (stupid) préjudices

so you would not be so ignorant ;)

, you are very ignorant about the world

this is racist hate speech..why so much generalization and xenophobia and stereotypes against poles? i tho you were aginst such things..here we go.your true racist colour come out
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,873
gregy: only those (Poles and others) who are like you, narrow minded, intolerant, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, bigotted. I feel the same re ALL nationities (including Fench so I'm ... Francophobe???? :)) but let's face it, in Poland unfortunately most people are like I say. Maybe maximum 10% of Poles are open minded, tolerant and these are the Poles I only want to deal with and among whom I got married.

I personally put all the bigots (all religions), all the racists and the xenophobics in the same bag and I do not care what nationality they have.

Buy yourself a dictionary and open it! To be "polonophobe" (or whatever you want) would be to HATE 100% of the persons from the group. When we marry, have kids, socialize and do whatever else with some of them, it shows that we don't hate everybody ;).

Well, I know that for a someone of your kind, this sounds abstract and is hard to grasp! ;)
gregy741 4 | 1,204
8 May 2016 #1,874
as i said..all you got is dumb labels and leftist cliche
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 May 2016 #1,875
Québec

Dunno if this is true or only a joke, but it is said that in P de Q one can encounter on a cemetery fence: Défense de trépasser (which is supposed to mean no trespassing).

They also say things like "crasser la rue".

In Old Polonian jargon in the US they also say thingn like: "Łaciuj jak będziesz krosował strytę, żeby cię jakaś kara nie hytnęła!"
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,876
@Although I love SOME of their accents (because not only one),I'm lost with the rather exotic voc and even grammar. 17th century rural (from western France) language with some American English translated in French.... In places like Montréal, Québec ville, it's sort of understandable but in the backwoods ;). When I was there (for short visit so no time to adjust), I preferred to speak to them in English as I could not understand "French'.

Since a lot of (great) series from Québec on French tv (with subtitles), we love their "baiser" (something of the "szukać" style ;))

Personally I love the way most of them sound and they are very easy to get along with!

Most people anyway are good people everywhere and instead of having prejudices, it would make sense to get to know each other but so many (you can read them here ;) prefer "I hate X" "I hate Y"
TheOther 5 | 3,758
8 May 2016 #1,877
And as to the French of Polish origin, a lot of them don't even speak Polish and feel completely French.

Don't bother arguing with Polish neo-Nazis, InPolska. The world's second largest Polonia is in Germany. Between two and three million people, and only a minority of them feel Polish or speak Polish. They are Germans, just like most Polonia members in France are French and not Poles. This imaginary connection between Polonia and the old country some people here on PF are banging on about endlessly is only in the head of a few radical nutters - mostly from the US.

keep to the topic everyone.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,878
@TheOther: my response was deleted (...)! I agree with you but hard not to respond to their bs. I know that they are paid (fascists recruiit among the scum). Well, they give a terrible image of Poland to whomever could think about coming here. I
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
8 May 2016 #1,879
Don't bother arguing with Polish neo-Nazis

Shut up, xenophobe.

and only a minority of them feel Polish or speak Polish. They are Germans, just like most Polonia members in France are French and not Poles.

So first your crowd complain that Poles somehow have no right to criticize non-European immigrants as millions of Poles left abroad and once there they "keep themselves to themselves" and now you say how well assimilated they are ? Ever heard about logic ?
TheOther 5 | 3,758
8 May 2016 #1,880
Ever heard about logic ?

You should pay a little bit more attention, Grzegorz. We were talking about Polonia, and that most of its members assimilated over the past 150 years.

Shut up, xenophobe.

Calling someone a neo-Nazi is xenophobic? That's a new one. LOL!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
8 May 2016 #1,881
We were talking about Polonia, and that most of its members assimilated over the past 150 years.

And that's an argument against/for what ?
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,882
Yes, The Other, to be called "xenophobic ' or "bigot" by them is really amazing! You know that fascists don't spend much time at school so don't expect them to open dctionaries!
TheOther 5 | 3,758
8 May 2016 #1,883
And that's an argument ... for what ?

That it's mostly Americans who, after 150+ years, continue to talk about their imaginary ties to the old countries? In Europe, most Poles (for example) simply assimilated and their descendants don't feel any connection whatsoever to where their ancestors originally came from. This is going off topic, so we should better stop it, Grzegorz.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
8 May 2016 #1,884
In Europe, most Poles (for example) simply assimilated and their descendants don't feel any connection whatsoever to where their ancestors originally came from.

It's the same really in the US, for Yanks it's just a kind of hobby to mention they are Polish/Italian/Irish or whatever. Poles in Western Europe/US/Canada etc. are assimilating well, just like If 100k Spaniards came to Poland this decade, 100/200 years from now 5/0.5k would claim to be a Spanish minority, vast majority would simply assimilate/inter-marry within several generations...

Apparently, you didn't notice how this issue came up here, go 2 pages back and check. InPl bigot claimed that Poles somehow have no right to criticize Muslim immigrants because "millions of them are immigrants themselves" and they "keep themselves to themselves", which of course isn't true as it's just a part of 1st generation that "keep themselves to themselves". While in case of Muslims, often 2nd or even 3rd generation is less assimilated than the 1st one.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
8 May 2016 #1,885
if Poles don't keep themselves to themselves, why are there 'Polish neighbordhoods" in British towns where some Poles don't even speak English? Why are there in North France (to talk about what I know) some villages where most people are Polish (even the mayor)? Maybe they mix at the 2nd, 3rd generations on but not at the 1st generation. I used to have a friend from Australia (now back there) of Polish origin and she said in Australia, she had kown some Poles who did not speak English after some 30 years there. Well, it the same situation with a lot of immigrants, not only Poles, but since we are talking about Poles, I am saying that Poles are just like any other immigrant groups. However, my family got integrated from 1st generation and for 3rd generation, the home country was a foreign country but such situation is rather rare ;). Most people including Poles are not that quick ;)

As to "bigot", look up in the dictionnary! It certainly does not fit people who are atheist and liberal ;). But never mind, as a non fascist and as a non Pole, you have to "hate" me but it would bother me to be liked by fascists ;);)
gregy741 4 | 1,204
8 May 2016 #1,886
if Poles don't keep themselves to themselves, why are there 'Polish neighbordhoods" in British towns where some Poles don't even speak English

they are enriching culture?diversity- isnt what you want?if they become like english then whats good from diversity?
dont understand you leftist..first you bring people from around the world ,saying diversity is good,and then demand from them to be like british.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
8 May 2016 #1,887
This imaginary connection between Polonia and the old country some people here on PF are banging on about endlessly is only in the head of a few radical nutters - mostly from the US.

Couldn't agree more. It's why you see Polish politicians making comments about the Polonia for electoral purposes, but you'll notice that no Polish government ever really backs it up with serious cash. It's all tokenism.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
9 May 2016 #1,888
rag-tag parade of KOD ranters

They came, they marched, they ranted and went home and absolutely nothing has changed.
Whether there were 40,000, 250,000 or 500,000, that is all short of Schetyna's hoped-for million-strong mob. But even a million on the streets streets cannot pass a single law in parliament, so parade attendance is totally irrelevant.

Now the losers are mounting a grand anti-PiS coalition 3.5 years ahead of elections. Anyone want to bet on the amount of in-fighting and back-biting that will entail?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
9 May 2016 #1,889
Interesting article here.

Bank PKO BP in the first quarter of 2016 years was taxed the amount of 148 million zł as a result of the tax on banking. Its net profit fell, however, only about 9 million zł, to 638.6 million zł compared to 647.2 million zł one year earlier.

Strange. How could it possibly be that PKO BP, controlled by the government, only recorded a fall in profits of 9 million złoty when they had to pay 148 million złoty in taxes? Something doesn't add up here... wait.

interest expenses, which fell from 762 million zł to 538 million zł. In other words, it affected individuals who had PKO BP deposits, because the bank paid them a lower interest rate.

Aha! So PKO BP managed to keep their previous level of profits by simply cutting what they paid to clients of the bank. The bank tax hasn't affected the biggest bank in Poland at all - but it has resulted in people earning less money.

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Klienci-pokryli-podatek-bankowy-PKO-BP-7384612.html

It never ceases to surprise me just how economically illiterate most people are. PKO BP tends to be used by poorer people in society that may not have access to as many banking options as people in cities and bigger towns - which means that the bulk of the bank tax was in fact paid by the poorest and most vulnerable in society.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 May 2016 #1,890
simply cutting what they paid to clients of the bank

The banking law is clearly defective if it lacks a clause prohibitng passing on tax expenses to customers. Banks should be closely monitored and one that does that should have its licence revoked. If they leave the country, all the better, since an indigenous Polish bank will take up the slack and fill the gap... and banking profits will not go flowing to Spain, Germany, Austria, Italy or wherever.

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