Poland's post-election political scene

On the one hand it would be difficult to sell my land.

On the other, there will be loads of cheap farmland available with nobody but me able to afford to buy it. My neighbours are old and would like to sell up.

" My neighbours are old and would like to sell up." Everything sells at a fair market price.
The trouble is that some farmers (Including some of my neighbors) have been hanging on to their land (Speculating) or advertising it at crazy prices in the hope that 2016 would open the floodgates to rich foreign buyers that will pay the silly prices that they want.

Some of these "Poor farmers" openly boast to me about how much they get from the EU to do nothing with the land, some of the sums quoted are a tidy little earner for doing nothing.

Now the government has effectively put an end to their greedy speculation things may improve.

It will only end in people connected to the Party leasing large farms for a minimal price so that they can profit. The ANR will be the only buyer in some of these places, and so they'll be able to put together large collective farms so that Piotr the Party member can cash in from the CAP that rewards larger farms.

All in all, very obvious and blatant.

The EU money is tiny (1500pln for 2.5 ha for example).. I find it unlikely anyone thinks its a viable living depending on EU money rather than farming as well.

(1500pln for 2.5 ha for example).. I agree the locals farm a swell as pocketing the cash.

But think about it ,If I took the 1500zl it would pay my agricultural rates and bin collection for the year 500zl the 1000zl left over would buy me 6 cubic meters of dry firewood. if I had another 2.5ha it would cover the electricity and food.

So for an investment of (30,000zl (going price per ha class 3) x 4.5ha) = 135,000zl aint bad to have the basics covered, I think this could be tempting for the poles who have made some capital abroad and wish to return.

If the land speculators got in to the market , the above may not be a option in the future.

The problem with this whole system is that it ensures that anyone who doesn't meet the criteria to be called a 'farmer' will no longer be able to get into it. It's stupid and ridiculous - there's so much land in dolnoslaskie that could be used more productively. For instance - adoriavineyards.com/en/?ts=1457285718 - the slopes of Dolnoslaskie are perfect for wine, and the guy that started this is an American professor. Now - anyone wanting to join him won't be allowed to do so, which is madness.

If there is to be a restriction, the best restriction would be to require farmers to live on the land.

(anyway, I've stuck an offer in for some land not far from me. Might as well get in there before the law changes)

Delph If Under a hectare i think you would be ok after May

That's cheap. The advertised prices I've seen north of Krakow start at 8 pln m2 and rise to much more.

Have you forgotten how PO/PSL and other governments had invited huge foreign corporations like Smithfield and enabled them to take over and devastate huge chunks of farmland for the raising. The resultant concentration of highly toxic pig manure caused an ecological disaster polluting ground water and the atmosphere for miles around.

But no matter. The proper ministers got their under-the-table kickbacks.


The president's near-accident is turning up signifcant details on how the post-nomenklatura clique operated under the supportive blind-eye of the PO/PSL regime.
BOR (Government Protection Service), responsible for the safety of prominent officials, were long rumoured to have effectively functioned as an SB II, a safe haven for former PRL security types. Now it turns out that BOR had enlisted the services of a company called Konsalnet, set up by former communist secret police and military intelligence officers. Konsalnet have derived great benefits from cushy government contracts, some of which ended in scandal. These are the kind of people the KOD mob are defending.

wsieci.pl/firma-bylych-sb-kow-w-bor-pnews-2709.html

I have driven thousands of miles in BMW's with standard equipment run flats and never had a blowout, Its not like having a nail go into the tyre, there must have been some kind of catastrophic failure of one huge piece of shrapnel in the road.

Which brings the question, if his car was armored the tyres would be special manufactured to take the weight and armor piercing bullets.

Knowing the Poles, probably the tyres were bought off the shelf from Paweł's kwik opony.

Another day, and more megalolz.


Bwahahha. The hypocrisy among PiS supporters is hysterical.

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/243661,Kaczynskisupporter-tainted-by-security-services-files

The Man said "facing the truth is the best solution."

Fair enough

Another day and another round of boringly predictable PiS-bashing. Some blokes just ain't got no imagination and are incapable of anything creative innovative. Everything's got to be according to one run-of-the-mill stereotype.

Just to close the day, another example of corruption and fraud in Kaczyński's Brave New Poland.

bbc.com/news/science-environment-35720335

Just to close the day, now it's official, The "freedom-loving" Tusk regime sent their secret services to spy (bugging, billing checks and other surveillance techniques) on dozens of Polish journalists who wrote articles unfavourable to the ruling group.

Meanwhile, PM Szydło has on her desk a report on the audits carried out in various PO/PSL-era ministries. They project a dismal, at times downright criminal image of Poland.

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/polityka/artykuly/514233,pis-audyt-koalicja-po-psl-rzad-raport-rzeczpospolita-opozycja-podsumowanie.html

Polonius, those "audits" aren't worth a thing.

When companies in the real world do audits, they get people unconnected to the company to do the auditing. They don't do it themselves. Notice how they're already threatening PO/PSL with the prosecutor - as I said, it's all about creating a climate of fear. Put a few people through a long and protracted legal battle with a prosecution service that's completely under the control of the government, and you've got the perfect intimidation.

If you don't see anything wrong with the prosecution service controlled by PiS going after members of the former government, then you must have been delighted in the PRL era when the government subjected members of Solidarność to show trials. The two are exactly the same - abusive and undemocratic.

nah...its called :"Law and Justice"


the ones that were subjected to PRL prosecutions are fully supporting PIS now, in bringing SB and commies collaborators ,PO thieves to justice ...

As if. It's called "eliminating political opposition". It's also called "trying to bury the bad news about the Venice Commission's report".

There's nothing Law and Justice about PiS - if there was, they wouldn't be appointing people suspected of corruption to top jobs. More to the point, they wouldn't be putting a guilty criminal in charge of the CBA.

Mind you, given that you openly supported corruption by PiS, you probably think that it's entirely acceptable for the government to abuse members of the opposition. Just wait until it's a family member that gets arrested on false charges after he refuses to sell his land to a PiS member ;)

i think you should check dictionary.
"creating a climate of fear"- i do understand such words like law and justice alone,will spread fear and terror among PO thieves.this is not surprising

Don't worry Gregy, when your PiS boys are all languishing in prison after a popular revolt, we promise not to laugh at them ;)

Having said that, watching Kaczyński attack KOD personally seems that he's very, very afraid. Wonder why? If KOD were as meaningless as PiS supporters claim, why even mention KOD?

Sooner the PO/PSL mob will be behind bars after consequences are drawn from the already completed, ongoing and planned audits of their numerous misdeeds and scams. Get set to take them a cake (with a file inside).

no fear detected.nobody is afraid of some mob of grumpy pensioners shouting insults trough their Dentures.Soros dollars not gonna help much in this revolution.

So you're effectively admitting that PiS intend to try and imprison members of the opposition using evidence that PiS themselves have created. How very...PZPR.


I think you should demand an investigation to punish those responsible. It's what Duda would have done.

Yeah. If it were an opposition leader and the accident had resulted in injury the driver would have been done for speeding. Obviously there is more to this accident than we know.

Maybe, you are blinded by hate!

Another day, another excellent example of the "good, change". This is an article talking about how the bank/insurance taxes have hurt us considerably.

natemat.pl/173587,jak-program-500-zlotych-na-dziecko-skubnal-mnie-na-79-zl-w-ubezpieczeniach-kolejny-efekt-pis-drozeja-polisy


Good old socialist economics. In exchange for bribing part of society, everyone loses out in the process. I've got my insurance renewal coming up in a couple of weeks - and I've already just found out that the "good, change" has resulted in my European car breakdown cover going from just over 100zł/year to 300zł - and that's with PZU, the state-controlled insurer.

Meanwhile, this government is going around appointing all their friends and supporters to top, high paying positions - people that won't care if it costs them 300zł instead of 100zł because they're all on ridiculously high salaries. It's communism through and through.

What the hell is this comma in "good, change" for in your both utterances? You don't understand basic Polish or is it just playing with words? The Polish original is "dobra zmiana", so this should be translated into English as "good change" without any comma between them. The adjective "good" is a qualifier to the noun "change", so no need for a comma there.

"dobra, zimana" is used by the opposition.

What hypocrisy? Are you struggling with the meaning of that word?


In your dreams those footie KOD supporters would revolt, majority of them is in their late 50 and 60. Unless you are talking a coup financed from abroad. That wouldn't work in Poland.

I wonder why it is. If so, the opposition is rather silly here because it would imply that PiS has simply made a change of people in government only and not a change in the practices of government. And if the nature of that present change is judged bad (which is a normal practice for any opposition), the same should be said about the nature of things as they had been carried out before that change, that is at the time when the present opposition was in government.

No, Delph, you should be much more careful in choosing your wording because the "dobra, zmiana" phrase isn't the lucky one here and is disrespectful for the present opposition really.