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Poland's post-election political scene


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
9 Feb 2016 #871
As we all know, the nepotism continues without any shame whatsoever.

polska.newsweek.pl/marcin-mastalerek-z-posada-w-orlenie-stanowiska-dla-zwolennikow-pis,artykuly,379284,1.html

Fakt also announced yesterday that a little-known law firm, where works MateuszTchórzewski , the son of the Minister of Energy Christopher Tchórzewski got a lucrative contract from the Ministry of Infrastructure.

The article goes on to explain about how the "good change" actually meant widespread corruption and nepotism. Nothing we didn't know already, of course.

The only bad thing here is that I'm not sure whether the legal system in this country has the capacity to deal with the vast amount of corruption and nepotism after the next election.

And now we see yet another example of how nothing happens in Poland without the approval of Kaczyński.

[quote]Mariusz Kaminski was for only two days president of Polski Holding Obronny. Jarosław Kaczyński demanded his resignation. The president of PiS did not know that Kaminski is the head. This is a company that is majority-owned by the State. Kaczyński, surprised by the information about the nomination, called Tuesday night to the defense minister Antoni Macierewicz who governs PHO.

wyborcza.pl/1,75478,19608444,kaczynski-wymusil-dymisje-kaminskiego.html
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Feb 2016 #872
yet another example

So what? Every party is free ot set up its priorities, leadership structure and decision-making procedures as they see fit. Rather than meddling and badmouthing, outsiders should clean up their own act!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
10 Feb 2016 #873
Don't you think it's rather unprofessional to appoint a puppet and then fire the puppet just because the leader of the party (who holds no executive position in government) says so?

Never fear. The media is already reporting how Morawiecki camp is openly feuding with the Ziobro camp. Morawiecki's camp (which includes the Finance Minister, Szałamach) is openly hostile to the 500zł per child policy, and now he's openly saying that the retail tax is going to punish Polish shop owners. Kaczyński is playing both camps like a marionette, but it wouldn't terribly surprise me if it ends up in open civil war, given the history of PiS.

Small independent stores which are affiliated with larger retail brands may be unfairly hit by the planned retail tax, Vice-Prime Minister and Minister of Development Mateusz Morawiecki said on Wednesday.

wbj.pl/morawiecki-retail-tax-will-hit-small-shops-hard/
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Feb 2016 #874
media is

It's the media are (media is plural of medium). Anyway, teh media are constantly reporting how this celebrity has split up with his live-in lover of two months and a two-headed calf was born in the Lublin region. The media will dig up any nonsense and ride it to death until the next bit of trivia comes along. What does that prove?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
10 Feb 2016 #875
It's interesting that you're choosing to deliberately divert attention away from the crucial facts right now :

1) The 500+ programme is unfunded and has significant opposition from within the government.
2) The bank tax is already resulting in significantly higher fees for clients
3) The retail tax law is a mess, with smaller business owners going crazy because it looks like they will lose out more than bigger chains.

4) The alleged problems with the VAT system don't seem to exist

What's interesting right now is that Morawiecki is showing why BZWBK paid him a huge salary - he is standing up to PiS and making it clear that he won't act against the financial best interests of Poland. He'll be gone within months.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
10 Feb 2016 #876
4) The alleged problems with the VAT system don't seem to exist

tvp.info/15192979/wplywy-z-vat-spadaja-nik-to-wina-skarbowki-bo-nie-pilnuje

wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,100896,15731377,Rosna_stawki_podatku__a_dochody_spadaja__Rzad_przesadzil.html

money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/w plywy;z;vat;jeszcze;nigdy;nie;byly;tak;niskie;rzad;sie;mylil,69,0,1477189.html

niezalezna.pl/68664-spadaja-wplywy-podatkowe-do-budzetu-kopacz-straszy-grecja-sama-ignoruje-ostrzezenia-mfw
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
10 Feb 2016 #877
wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,100896,15731377,Rosna_stawki_podatku__a_dochody_spadaja__Rzad_przesadzil.html

Interesting article, as it clearly shows how slapping 1.9% on fuel will clearly result in a rise in illegal sales. Nowhere does it talk about the alleged VAT hole that PiS claimed to exist, though.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Feb 2016 #878
Interesting article

You one-sided, prejudiced, blinkered SOB. Will you ever find an interesting article saying something good about Poland's first post-1989 democratically elected majority government?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
10 Feb 2016 #879
There's nothing good to say, given that it's characterised by the worst nepotism since the 2001-2005 SLD government and features a lot of incompetence, backtracking and general inability to get things done.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Feb 2016 #880
nothing good to say

You somehow were more kindly to the scam-ridden PO regime rejected by Polish voters last October. Now your guru is Petru, bankrolled by the pro-banking lobby.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
10 Feb 2016 #881
You can whine and wriggle and spread your anti-PiS propaganda but they will be in charge for four years.
They are better than PO regardless.
I would say what polices of the PiS I don't like but because this thread seems to me overwhelmed by your propaganda and zeal delph I see no point in doing so. You are killing debate delph.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
10 Feb 2016 #882
You can whine and wriggle and spread your anti-PiS propaganda but they will be in charge for four years.

I wouldn't be so sure. They don't have much of a majority, and given that Morawiecki and Gowin are already agitating against their socialist promises, the whole thing might not last that long.

They are better than PO regardless.

If by "better", you mean "better at destroying Poland", I agree. Likewise, the massive fall in the złoty and the Warsaw Stock Exchange says it all.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
10 Feb 2016 #883
I wouldn't be so sure.

Come on delph, I can tell, they'll stay in charge for four years. It almost certain. I would give it like 96%.

They don't have much of a majority, and given that Morawiecki and Gowin are already agitating against their socialist promises, the whole thing might not last that long.

That means nothing, you are deluding yourself.

If by "better", you mean "better at destroying Poland",

No, I mean they at least try to do something. The only thing PO was good at beside those empty promises and lies it was at selling out or stealing everything that is not nailed down.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
10 Feb 2016 #884
massive fall in the złoty

Interestingly, the złoty has been inching upward ever since the clamorous trough-defenders suspended their street free-for-alls which effectviely intimidated potential investors.
Up from a high of some 4.14 zł = $1 (I'm not cocnerned about EU play money) it is now trading at 3.90 zł. But if the KOD creeps resume their shenanigins, the złoty will start dropping again.
Harry
10 Feb 2016 #885
I'm not cocnerned about EU play money

You might not be, but the majority of Poland's imports come from the Eurozone, and those are now far more expensive thanks to PIS economics.

it is now trading at 3.90 zł.

A stunning success, given that it was at 3.68 as late as 15 October and 3.52 in May. Indeed it spent pretty much all of 2012, 2013 & 2014 between 3 and 3.5.

You one-sided, prejudiced, blinkered SOB.

Can somebody explain the meaning of "SOB" to me. I used to think I know but I appear not to.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
11 Feb 2016 #886
Come on delph, I can tell, they'll stay in charge for four years.

It all rests on Gowin really. I don't think we'll see anyone else making a move, but he has a huge amount of support in Małopolska - and a history of doing his own thing regardless of what anyone else in government wants. I'm inclined to agree with you, though. Mind you, it wouldn't terribly shock me if Gowin turned up and publicly ran against Kaczyński - and won.

The only thing PO was good at beside those empty promises and lies it was at selling out or stealing everything that is not nailed down.

Have you used the ePUAP system devised and introduced by PO, or perhaps the PUE system for ZUS? PO did a lot of good - but unfortunately, Poles believe in the large flashy promises ("500zł for every child! free medicine for those over 75!") than in the things that PO did to make our lives better. I use both systems quite a lot, and you can really see how things have changed in Poland since I first came here. It wasn't all perfect, but no government ever is.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Feb 2016 #887
ran against Kaczyński - and won

Delph, why don't you just bump the bloke off and be done with it. That woudl spare us PF-ers from listening to boringly constant anti-K rants!
Harry
11 Feb 2016 #888
Another day, yet more examples of why letting PIS play at economics was a terrible idea for Poland:

Poland Deters Investors as Energy Policies Send Stocks Tumbling
WIG20 index retreats for 4th day to lowest since July 2009

...
Utilities and copper producer KGHM Polska Miedz SA fell to a 6-1/2 year low ... Energa SA lost 3.8 percent

The policies added to concern the new government, which swept into power in October, will adopt measures that will deter foreign investors .... The WIG20 has fallen 19 percent this year, on course for its worst annual performance since 2011, compared with gains in Hungary and the Czech Republic.

bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-02/poland-deters-investors-as-energy-policies-send-stocks-tumbling
G (undercover)
11 Feb 2016 #889
Building a new 1,000 megawatt bloc at Ostroleka north of Warsaw may cost Energa about 6 billion zloty. The investment may be "a game-changer for the company" because its dividend policy had attracted buyers and driven up the share price, according to JPMorgan Chase Co.

So they will actually invest in something in the country instead of paying the money out to the "investors". Shock and horror :)))
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
11 Feb 2016 #890
Another day, yet more examples of why letting PIS play at economics was a terrible idea for Poland:

The numbers don't lie. You can see that they've been headed downwards since Duda's election, and the only question is just how far they fall.
Harry
11 Feb 2016 #891
they will actually invest in something in the country

The problem is that the 'investment opportunity' is anything but: it's a rubbish idea that no commercial company would want any part of, which is why the company has lost more than half of its value since spring last year (down from 27.70 per share then to 13.48 now). And who owns most of the shares in Energa? We do, so thank you very much to PIS for wiping billions off the value of our assets in that one company alone.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
11 Feb 2016 #892
In other words, yet more example of PiS attempting to buy votes.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
11 Feb 2016 #893
PiS

How does it feel to be not only an alien, outsider and unwelcome inturder badmouthing the country that feeds him. You also happen to be out of sync with the Polish nation. The latest CBOS poll has shown that pro-Polish PiS lead the way with 34% support, followed by bankskter Petru -19, the scam-mongering Platformers - 14 and Kukiz - 11.

PiS supporters

Yes, their ranks are growing, obviously to your chagrin and that of Poland-bashers, trough defenders and foreign-interest lobbyists all. The latest TNS Polska poll has shown:

**PiS enjoying 40% support
**PO 15%
**Petru 13%
**Kukiz 9%
**PSL 5%.
The Polish people apparently know which is the most pro-Polish party that puts the nation's interests ahead of those of foreign bankers, retailers and eurocrats.
Harry
15 Feb 2016 #894
As we're talking about the latest polls, here's a cracker about everybody's favourite vile monk, Tadeusz Rydzyk, who wikipedia points out is "also known as "Father Director"" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Maryja)

Some of you might remember that PIS wanted to give this noted anti-semite some PLN 27 million of taxpayer money in return for all of his loyal support of the Party. It seems that that decision has almost universally disgusted Poles. A poll by se.pl shows that some 83% of Poles think that he shouldn't get any taxpayer money se.pl/wiadomosci/polityka/sondaz-dla-sepl-te-sondaze-miazdza-ojca-tadeusza-rydzyka_778724.html

Oh dear, looks like he might have to lease his next Maybach with money he's earned rather than money stolen from the Polish taxpayer. But in equally bad news for the disgusting racist, Poles are turning off his TV station: its market share is now 0.81% wirtualnemedia.pl/artykul/tv-trwam-ma-0-81-proc-udzialu-w-rynku-hitem-pielgrzymka-na-jasna-gore

So maybe no Maybachs at all for a man noted for swearing in court that he didn't have enough money to pay a PLN 3,500 fine despite turning to court that day in a 300,000zl Lexus.
Lolek222 - | 80
15 Feb 2016 #895
Vile.what that rant and lies have to do with father director?
He is successful at what he does somehow some foreign loosers and local color cannot stomach it.
In your face lying bigots!
If he anti Semite good for him.
Lies about maybach and other vile rubbish spread by worthless scum exist only in their sick imagination.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 Feb 2016 #896
Lies about maybach

Asked about "his" alleged Maybach, teh Good Fathher didn't even know what one was. He has created a media enterprise, a university and thermal springs project and is building a basilica -- not bad for a man of the cloth. It is precisely his success that goads all the envious godless losers, sundry agnostics and garden variety anticlericals.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
15 Feb 2016 #897
Strange how you forgot to mention the money for the shipyards that was just resting in his account, Father Ted style.
jon357 66 | 17,068
15 Feb 2016 #898
Plus the televangelist TV station and other loss-making enterprises of which he refused to reveal the sources of funding, even at the cost of not getting on the digital platform.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
15 Feb 2016 #899
Well, well, well. Polonius has been very quiet about the latest news.

There was a by-election held in Poland on Sunday, in the town of Drobin, for a place on the town council. It's a small town in rural Mazowieckie of around 3000 people, and not much happens there in general. Anyway, two candidates were in the race - one from the PSL, one from PiS. PiS went all out to win the council seat - they sent the new vice director of ARiMR (the agricultural modernisation/reconstruction agency), a member of the Sejm from PiS and a member of the provincial parliament to campaign. They also sent plenty of Party activists to campaign in Drobin - certainly far more than would be expected.

Anyway, the result : PSL 66%, PiS 34%.

Rural voters are clearly not happy with PiS.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
15 Feb 2016 #900
Rural voters are clearly not happy

I wonder if you would have bothered to hunt up some obscure two-horse hamlet and trumpet the election resutl to all and sundry if our beloved PiS had won?

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