The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered  |  Archives 
 
 
User: Guest

Home / News  % width posts: 4,080

Poland's post-election political scene


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
5 Jan 2016 #451
Where's Polonius when you need him to talk about how the ordinary Polish family cannot afford huge road taxes?
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Jan 2016 #452
to hurt the road users

More Delphinesque cry-babying (boo-hoo, sob-sob...) Schoolboys used to say: my heart pumps purple pony **** for you!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
5 Jan 2016 #453
Polonius, the difference is - 140zł return isn't going to hurt me. But your "ordinary Polish families" that you love to talk about would have to think very carefully about whether or not they can afford to visit family.

Shows that your concern about "ordinary Polish families" was completely false.
Wulkan - | 3,250
5 Jan 2016 #454
140zł return isn't going to hurt me.

After all, primary school teaching is the best paid job these days in Poland.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
5 Jan 2016 #455
ordinary Polish families

Unless one wants to pull an Obama and print extra paper money, priorities have to be established. Some taxes may have to be raised, others decreased to carry out the vairous social aid programmes. Some may say motoring cross country to visit family is an essential need. Someone else may feel it's more important to provide kids with free school lunches which are often their only warm meal of the day. important. We should leave it to the wisdom and compassion of the far-sighted PiS government to sort hings out rather than constatnly bellyaching nad crybabying -- a highly unproductive pastime!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
5 Jan 2016 #456
lodz.wyborcza.pl/lodz/1,35153,19431749,brat-witolda-waszczykowskiego-awansowal-na-dyrektora.html]

The sleaze and corruption around PiS continues to grow.

It transpires that the brother of the Foreign Minister, Witold Waszczykowski, has just so coincidentally been promoted to the position of the director of the tax control office in £ódź. The previous director was fired for... well, nothing. But PiS are all about nepotism and corruption, hence someone had to lose their job.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
6 Jan 2016 #457
previous director was fired

If he was appointed under PO he deserves to be sakced. Anyone associated with the PO bankster syndicate is a threat to the Polish nation.
Huh7
6 Jan 2016 #458
I think you are wrong. They have just announced that Poland will take in those seven thousand, but they don't call them the way you do ...

Sure... they have said we will take them during 2017. That gives us a full year to come up with another dealy.
The thing is, Poland is not US, PiS cannot pull Barack Obama, and announce we are going to ignore previous government's commitments (aka anti rocket shield). By the same rule PiS cannot say that Poland is never going to adopt euro currency. Suffice to say, Poland will take euro "when we are ready". And that can take 20 years. At least.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Jan 2016 #459
If he was appointed under PO he deserves to be sakced.

I'm glad you've finally admitted that the real agenda behind PiS is TKM. Took you a while, but finally, we have the admission that PiS = PZPRbis.

Just for kicks, this has been floating around today.

wyborcza.pl/1,76842,14562253,Zbigniew_Ziobro___W_kierownictwie_PiS_jest_grupa_bylych.html#ixzz3wOIuYRwv

Zbigniew Ziobro, current Minister for Justice, said in 2013 that...

In the strict leadership of the PiS is a group of former members of the PZPR.

It's becoming more and more obvious that for all the talk of anti-communisation by PiS, the party has all along been a front for ex-PZPR members that wanted to regain the control they lost in 1989. It's entirely similar to Milosevic's "Anti-Bureaucratic Revolution", which was actually a front by the Yugoslav Army and Communist Party of Serbia to maintain power.

Fun and games with the złoty today...

1USD = 4.04PLN
1EUR = 4.34PLN

Excellent article here explains why the government's actions are causing the currency to have problems.

brecorder.com/markets/fxmm/europe/271123-zloty-hits-three-week-low-on-concern-over-budget-new-laws.html

"Investors are unsure what the government is going to do and it is unclear what the budget will look like," said Piotr Poplawski, an analyst at BGZ BNP Paribas in Warsaw.

"It seems that the government may scale back some of its (spending) proposals, which may be positive, but markets are rather sceptical," he said.

Poplawski referred to pledges to raise the personal tax-free allowance, lower the retirement age and introduce a new benefit scheme for families. Only the last of those has been included in 2016 budget.

polishinvestor 1 | 362
6 Jan 2016 #460
A weak currency should in theory boost investment as it makes things cheaper for foreigners but people need to know where they stand before they will commit. If they want to cut the leg off, better to do it soon rather than debate and do it years later. Not much official talk from government but you'd expect it towards eur 4.50 as it will start to hurt a lot by then.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Jan 2016 #461
A weak currency should in theory boost investment as it makes things cheaper for foreigners but people need to know where they stand before they will commit.

In theory, but I think the market knows fine well that this government is unpredictable and liable to slap random taxes on things without much discussion or consultation. Their plan to toll all sorts of roads will certainly hurt domestic demand, for instance.

Not much official talk from government but you'd expect it towards eur 4.50 as it will start to hurt a lot by then.

It's veering uncomfortably close to 4.50. Even the PLN has now fallen considerably against the CZK - which is a terrible sign.
polishinvestor 1 | 362
6 Jan 2016 #462
Most average Joes will always blame the current government for their woes so its likely PIS only gets one term, certainly while its one person one vote. Maybe 12-18 months before the end of their term you'll get some large speculative flows into the country/currency. While the stockmarket has largely priced in a lot of the woes on an isolated basis, the zloty might see 6.5gbp 4.5-4.75 eur before its fortunes turn. But as I say if the government does away with the uncertainty and quickly implements its anti business ideas, investment flows will recover quicker.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
6 Jan 2016 #463
tomaszlis.natemat.pl/167455,dziekuje-pis-owskim-hejterom

Excellent column by Tomasz Lis. The amount of hatred from the PiS-controlled media and paid online trolls is hilarious - yet they've done nothing but energise him and provide him with motivation.

For one, I encourage all this hatred in the PiS-media. We've already observed how the centrist voters are very reluctant to admit not voting/voting for PiS, and the pressure is growing and growing. Keep it up, haters!
Wulkan - | 3,250
6 Jan 2016 #464
and paid online trolls

:-))))))))))))))))

I'll give you all the money I have if you can prove it with some evidence.

It's PO who has to pay for trolls and we all including yourself know about it, there is also evidence of that.
polishinvestor 1 | 362
6 Jan 2016 #465
Probably both sides as bad as each other but PO always intended to keep up relations with Europe. EU money and investment is vital for Poland to growth and eventually dig itself out of pensions blackhole. Otherwise debt to GDP is ok, but still needs help to expand and remove the pensions threat. Poles dont have/dont want to invest, so money must come from abroad. Say thanks a few times, kiss a few ears, but you'll get the funds flows and that's what is important in the long run. Backing away from the EU must mean stronger ties with Russia as Poland cannot go it alone. Better the EU as more predictable.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
7 Jan 2016 #466
All too often this phrase could be heard in the times of general Wojciech Jaruzelski.

In the times of Jaruzelski even more often phrase you could hear everyday and in his speeches on TV was Good Evening. According to your logic anyone who uses that phrase today must be a crypto-communist another phrase which sounds very outlandish and have a smell of another conspiracy theory.

I think that using the rhetoric of the communists in this dispute is utterly wrong.

That is not communist rhetoric it is rather communist regime that used national and state rhetoric to their own ends.

I'll tell you why: becuase they are all biased, horse-blinkered, rabble-rousing a*seholes, that's why!

Hallelujah!:)

And the approach needed now is for PiS to break the law

Are you an expert or just another horse-blinkered as....le taking side in a political dispute.

Excellent column by Tomasz Lis.

Do we have to read your mental shingles here? On the other hand it is not surprising that you're attracted to scum.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Jan 2016 #467
amount of hatred

You've got things a*se backwards. It was PO that invented and continues to pump prime the hate industry. Poles even coined the term "platformerski przemysł nienawiści". They got away with being a do-nothign crony party for 8 years largely throuhg PiS-bashing and intimidating voters with the PiS bugbear. And Michnik's pre- and post-election warnings of "fascism" exemplify his leftist-liberal "love industry"?
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
7 Jan 2016 #468
crony party

I don't recall PO ever appointing a completely inexperienced 25 year old to look after the property of the Polish military, simply because he ran a club for 200 students.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
7 Jan 2016 #469
I don't recall

Neither do I but what's wrong with giving young people a chance? In broader terms: ALL WE ARE SAYING IS "GIVE PiS A CHANCE"
Dougpol1 32 | 3,245
7 Jan 2016 #470
The ex UK ambassador to Warsaw, Charles Crawford, has written in the Guardian newspaper forums thus:

"When I was UK Ambassador in Warsaw when the PiS-led coalition was in power from 2005-07, I was startled to be sent from No 10 a 'secret' letter to the PM from a senior UK academic familiar with Poland who warned that democracy in Poland was about to be overthrown. Shock!

I replied that it was utter drivel, a completely ignorant or mischievous misreading of what the Kaczynski twins represented and wanted.
I see that many commenters here are again making similarly fevered claims........ "

..............PiS (who have plenty of ex-Solidarity people in their ranks including J Kaczynski himself) tend to think that the 'thick line'".... (of nepotism)...... "was too generous to the former communists and their privileged children, many of whom have done impressively well in keeping senior roles in public and business life and skewing public debate in a leftist direction. They (PiS) want to recalibrate things somewhat so that Poles who do not come from that crafty self-serving communist tradition (or who have been historically disadvantaged) get a better chance. Hence moves now to clean out a range of people from eg the state media and the court system..........................."

Etc etc....

The guy is obviously one of Cameron's goons, and has had one too many bottles of plonk. The ignorant fool makes me ashamed to be British.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Jan 2016 #471
one of Cameron's goons

Diplomats in general and ambassadors in particular are the best informed about the workings of the countries in which they are posted. Ambassador Crawford correclty felt, perceived and identified Poland's Zeitgeist during his stint in Warsaw.

It's difficult to argue against his realisation that

"'thick line' (of nepotism) was too generous to the former communists and their privileged children, many of whom have done impressively well in keeping senior roles in public and business life and skewing public debate in a leftist direction. They (PiS) want to recalibrate things somewhat so that Poles who do not come from that crafty self-serving communist tradition (or who have been historically disadvantaged) get a better chance. Hence moves now to clean out a range of people from eg the state media and the court system."

Only one remark is in order: AMEN!
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
8 Jan 2016 #472
PiS (who have plenty of ex-Solidarity people in their ranks including J Kaczynski himself)

Hard to take the man seriously when anyone who knows anything about Kaczyński knows that he simply wasn't there.
mafketis 24 | 9,372
8 Jan 2016 #473
ALL WE ARE SAYING IS "GIVE PiS A CHANCE"

I'd be happy to if they just stopped breaking the law....
polishinvestor 1 | 362
8 Jan 2016 #474
Most rational people will be prepared to give every new government a chance but PIS have to try to build relations with europe. Whatever PO did or did not do, they tried to stay on side with europe. EU money is vital for Poland's growth. Poland is very good at acquiring and spending EU money and without it growth will be much slower if at all. So there is no reason to isolate europe and make Poland unfriendly to investors as it can only harm the country's development.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,279
8 Jan 2016 #475
In the times of Jaruzelski even more often phrase you could hear everyday and in his speeches on TV was Good Evening.

The problem with "Good Evening" is that everybody used that in the times of general Jaruzelski, whereas the phrase "conspiring with outside forces" (mostly with the imperialist US in mind) was only used by the communist junta and their puppet journalists.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
8 Jan 2016 #476
conspiring with outside forces

In PRL that implied the "imperialist" forces of the US, Germany, NATO. As regards Tuskoland and beyond it referred to preferential. trteatment of foreign capital. In exchange for hefty kickbacks to Polish mercenary tratiors foreign corproate interests were allowed to exploit Polish workers (slave wages and the Pampers equation!) with impunity and monopolise the economy. Poland became a cheap manpower and real estate country. Adding insult to injury, they thought up a nice-sounding euphemism "market-friendly" to describe such exploitation.
jon357 66 | 17,040
8 Jan 2016 #477
EU money is vital for Poland's growth.

Exactly, and the current regime is heading for sanctions despite barely being in office a few weeks.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,279
8 Jan 2016 #478
You may quicker find yourself deported from Poland to the Russian Federation than see any sanctions against the "current regime" of Poland.
R.U.R.
8 Jan 2016 #479
jon357 : Exactly, and the current regime is heading for sanctions despite barely being in office a few weeks.

Western corporation steal about 5% of Polish Gross National Product

niezalezna.pl/74430-polska-w-dwudziestce-krajow-najbardziej-okradanych-przez-zagraniczne-korporacje-raport
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
8 Jan 2016 #480
Exactly, and the current regime is heading for sanctions despite barely being in office a few weeks.

And they're in trouble. Big trouble.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/tylko-w-onecie/sondaz-ibris-dla-onetu-niespodziewany-lider-pis-na-drugim-miejscu/x3js96

29.6% Nowoczesna
27.3% PiS
16.2% PO
7.0% Kukiz'15
5.4% ZL
4.5% PSL
3.3% Korwin
2.2% Razem
4.2% don't know

Stunning. PiS have lost the entire centrist vote that voted for them, and they're now losing their core support too. PiS are on a clear downwards trend, and it will be very hard for Kukiz to shake off the "pro-government" image that the opposition will paint him with.

It's worth pointing out that these results show that some hardcore PiS voters have gone to Nowoczesna/PO - which means that they're very unhappy with this government. Certainly, the sidelining of Szydło has been massively unpopular with the younger female electorate.

Home / News / Poland's post-election political scene
Discussion is closed.