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Poland's post-election political scene


Miloslaw 8 | 874    
31 Oct 2018  #3,901
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They can be a wealth of knowledge,experience and wisdom.
kondzior 8 | 923    
1 Nov 2018  #3,902
- ruling party (PiS) won the elections, but they clearly hoped for a better result. Still, they've definitely gained more ground compared to previous local elections which is enough for them to claim it was a success

- main opposition (PO) went as a coalition with some leftist groups and they managed to more or less keep their possessions. They've lost centrists voters to PiS, but gained most of the far-left electorate

- as a result of the above, far-left and post-commie parties got wrecked, despite previous polls showing they will make a resurgence

- PSL (people's/farmers' party) lost many of their holdings, but managed to keep the solid third place. Although it's pretty much broadly accepted, that their previous exceptionally good election result was based on low-level election fraud, thus nothing really changed electorate-wise.

- independents and Kukiz'15 (Polish version of M5S) got around 6% each and will not matter much in bigger picture, although they might just be enough to tip the scales in some places,

And also worth noting: record high voter turnout for this type of elections.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
4 Nov 2018  #3,903
And so, the results of the second round in the mayoral elections.

PiS have been beaten badly in the two key races in Kraków and Gdańsk - almost 2/3rds went to Majchrowski and Adamowicz, while they've also lost in Kielce by a similar margin. They've also lost in Radom, meaning that PiS have lost 18:1 in the 19 biggest Polish cities. The only city where they "won" was in Katowice, where they supported the independent mayor.
kondzior 8 | 923    
4 Nov 2018  #3,904
Main division line is city vs rural dwellers. Cities vote for KO, rural areas for PiS. This is a problem for PiS, 'cause most of the seats of presidents and mayors of big cities will remain in the hands of opposition. Not that much of big deal from purely political perspective, but those seats are quite prestigious.
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
4 Nov 2018  #3,905
Main division line is city vs rural dwellers

Which is failry new, it used to be an West-East division (Polska A, Polska B).
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
4 Nov 2018  #3,906
Yeah, it's quite interesting how it evolved. There's some news about how attendance at religion classes in Łódź has dropped by half in just 3 years (from 80 to 40%), and this might just be further evidence of that.

The bad news for PiS in these results is that they seem to have completely failed at picking up voters from other parties. I'm also quite surprised, I expected Wassermann to get even as high as 45% of the vote, but she was a long way away from it.
delphiandomine 87 | 16,884    
5 Nov 2018  #3,908
Final results: PiS won only 6 out of the 107 largest cities (which have a President of the City rather than a mayor/head of the commune). The largest place they won was in Zamość with 65,000 people - everything else went against them. They lost many places in their heartlands, including Sanok, Siedlce and Nowy Sącz.

Full results here: oko.press/krzyzyk-na-pis-na-107-miast-prezydenckich-rzadzic-beda-tylko-w-6-ko-w-28-triumf-niezaleznych

What's notable about these results is that PiS barely increased their votes in the second round. PiS lost nearly 3:1 in Przemyśl despite Kaczyński giving a fiery speech there, they lost in in Nowy Sącz despite Duda turning up in the graveyard to support their candidate, and they even lost in Biała Podlaska to KO, despite crushing PO there in 2014.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,182    
5 Nov 2018  #3,909
PiS won only 6 out of the 107 largest cities

Pis didn't do too well in the cities during the main elections, nothing new difference of 4?

Ignoring the cities, Pis is way ahead in the regional assemblies, and that's what counts.

Shows the split between those in the cities and those in the countryside, Interesting
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
6 Nov 2018  #3,910
@kondzior

I bet there are some altar boys right now sh1tting bricks....

despite Duda turning up in the graveyard to support their candidate

I know what you mean, but that's funny. And poor Adrian just cannot catch a break lately (even with a two handed break catcher in a field of handicapped breaks)
cms neuf - | 580    
6 Nov 2018  #3,911
Dolno - there has been that split for 15 years but what is different now is that the towns in the east and the small towns in the west are not voting for PiS.

As a result there is a huge gap growing between the political views of those people who pay taxes and employ people and those that do not - it is very dangerous for the country and neither of the political sides is doing enough to fix this issue.

I think there are quite a lot of people who are happy with the policies of PiS but are put off by the links with the church and the vindictiveness and propaganda
TWPOscar 1 | 11    
7 Nov 2018  #3,912
But the Church and Catholicism are important. It keeps Poland Polish and resistant to other less-tolerant religions that we currently have in Europe.
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
7 Nov 2018  #3,913
the Church and Catholicism are important. It keeps Poland Polish

This is one of the biggest misunderstandings of Poland and Polish reality.

During the communist period it stood against state power and everyone supported it (even many non-believers) now it's aligned with state power and a lot of people don't like that (or innovations like religion classes in school).

The church has been losing support ever since it threw in its lot with the government - Polish people only like the church when it stays out of politics (or provides a voice against a repressive government).
Dougpol1 26 | 2,146    
7 Nov 2018  #3,914
a lot of people who are happy with the policies of PiS but are put off by the links with the church and the vindictiveness and propaganda

That's it, in a nutshell. You forgot the bit about cancelling or postponing infrastructure projects (the A6 motorway for example) to pay for the 500.That's got people hopping in my neck of the woods.
Ironside 47 | 9,250    
7 Nov 2018  #3,915
Polish people only like the church

Polish people are divided on the issue, still is a far cry to anything you can see outside Poland.

Real Polish people i.e. with a modicum of education and some cultural awareness regardless of their political affiliation and religiousness are very much aware how much Polish nation and Polish history is intertwined with the religion. How much it owes to the church and how much it is a part of the fabric of what makes Polish people Polish.

Only foreigners, some Polish speaking soviets and other flotsam are those that have a problem with the issue or an axe to grind. Neo-Marxist or so called liberals with chip on their shoulder can just bugger off for a lack of the better word.

Hey those who are prattling about how religious and Catholic Poland is should aloe know what they are talking about. Comparing to what? Some religious and cultural wasteland in Germany or France - yes possibly. Poland doesn't differ much in that regard (religion)from the USA bar there much more denominations and all and sundry practices. Anyone can find what they are looking for.
mafketis 16 | 6,286    
7 Nov 2018  #3,916
Only foreigners, some Polish speaking soviets and other flotsam are those that have a problem with the issue or an axe to grind

First, referring to everyone you don't like as "soviet" is old and stale, buy a new vowel.

Second, I have no problem with the connections between Poland and the church, but the church has undoubtedly lost a lot of support over the last 25 years or so, a trend that shows no signs of abating (and can be directly tied to the church acting politically when/where a lot of people don't want it.
Ironside 47 | 9,250    
7 Nov 2018  #3,917
First, referring to everyone you don't like as "soviet" is old and stale, buy a new vowel.

Is not about who a like or not. It is easier to describe all kind of culturally deprived people or people who have post-colonial mentality or those who were and are culturally soviets whether they realize or not. You cannot just erase those issues bevosue you don't like the term I'm suing or cause you don't understand it?.

After all lost of people are rooted culturally and mentally in PRL not in the Polish culture. Why you propose I call them? Is that even possible on the interact forum?

I measure them against standards of the Polish traditions, culture and history and if I find then lacking they end up being soviets and I think that is pretty solid measurement.

Foe example:
I have nothing against left as long as it is left they has been a part of the Polish tradition. Which in nutshell means - Poland needs to be independent first and leftist second.

a trend that shows no signs of abating (and can be directly tied to the church acting politically when/where a lot of people don't want it.

Eh.... is has nothing to do with politics, simply people do not bother to go to church. Majority of the Polish populace is very superficial when it comes to religion it is mostly custom, cultural thingy.

Those who are into religion or those who are more aware culturally have problem with bishops who are into progressives and left.

Also there is a lot of anti-clerical grumbling but it has always been a part of deal. Nothing new there - some foreigners take it as people turning away from the church lol1



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