Poland's post-election political scene

It's a standard set of moves in the political playbook

1-Claim that "foreign" (or Jewish or socialist or church) influence in media is too strong and is hurting the nation

2-Force sales to "patriotic" publishers (ie party cronies)

3-Scrutiny of government actions and criticism of government disappears from media

4-Let the plundering begin/continue unimpeded by prying eyes....

If step number 1 doesn't set off alarm bells then you have no idea how politics works in the real world and nothing you say can possibly be of any value.

you have misunderstood me - pawian responded to my Bereza Kartuska remark and I replied to him - focus mafketis

the issues are related - you need to shut down the independent press before you can safely start locking people up for expressing the wrong views in public...

press doesn't really matter in Poland - nobody reads Wyborcza - it's the internet and TV that matters

Your method on you: sources, please. haha


Actually, I read a few titles online. :)

do you subscribe them or just read casually?

Read without a subscription coz I am mean and save on other things.

But you are diverting the topic, I asked you for sources. hahaha

@pawian
wirtualnemedia.pl/artykul/wyniki-sprzedazy-dziennikow-kwiecien-2019-fakt-gpc : wyborcza used to sell less than 90 thousand copies in june 2019 - I guess it's even less now

Do you think PiS wants to stop with print media? Their main mission is to remove that pesky tvn24 full of reporters that don't answer to them.... That's why Georgette is getting involved, a Polish government that's hostile to American business is not a good or reliable ally....

Not really. If we think of Gazeta Wyborcza, that's true in the sense that the so-called "working masses" in Poland do not read it. But when it comes to the FACT newspaper, it is totally wrong. I am often truly amazed to see how many people read this paper on a bus or on the train. That's a kind of shocking observation for me as I almost never get even a glimpse through it. Many of the readers who do it regularly would be PiS folk.

These people would most probably not reach out for a news bulletin on TV as they mostly prefer watching a film or two in the evening. In this respect, the control over titles such as FAKT does matter a lot and Ms Mosbacher (or Georgette as Maf likes to call her) does a very good job warning PiS that the US will do its best to prevent PiS from an assault on those media in Poland which are still not under their control.

But if we assume that whole families and friends read it too, it makes double or triple that amount.

Besides, as you noticed, people read online.


So, was it a typical rightwing lie or carelessness in the choice of arguments??? Tell us hahahaha


I hardly ever saw people reading New York Times, either, mostly in Wall Street etc. The rest prefered tabloids.

what is 300 000 (taking your calculation) in a nation of over 30 million

Yes, in rightwing thinking, 300.000 is nobody. buhahahahaha

Yes, gumi, PiS and other rightwingers are able to send people to correction concentration camps and say they are nobody.

it's only your sick imagination, pawian - it's called paranoia as far as I know

hahaha no, gumi, you are able to do such things. Who, in 1918 after regaining independence, imagined the right would send their political opponents to the camp?? And it happened in 1930s.

Please, don`t tell me sth is impossible coz you prove your ignorance on history and reality.

Actually, it was a Sanation, ruled by Marshal Pilsudski with roots in PPS [Polish Socialist Party], who sent their political opponents to place of isolation at Bereza Kartuska and not the other way around.

And many of those were were imprisoned there were ONR members [National Radical Camp]: Zygmunt Dziarmaga, Władysław Chackiewicz, Jan Jodzewicz, Edward Kemnitz, Bolesław Piasecki, Mieczysław Prószyński, Henryk Rossman, Włodzimierz Sznarbachowski i Bolesław Świderski to name a few.

Before sending @gumishu back to school perhaps you should visit a library yourself first? ;-)

Indeed. Who would have imagined in the 1930s the horrors of the WW II, of the Holocaust and of the Gulags?

sanacja who built Bereza was not quite right wing - Endecja was right wing


Kaczyński said something to this effect : I don't expect tvn to suddenly become pro-Polish

@mafketis
If PiS is actually trying to force a Trump appointee out, it will not end well for relations with Trump. He does the firing and no one else. And if Biden actually gets in? Ohhh thats going to throw a wrench into things PiS is hopping for with the US. Biden will spend all that money Poland hopes for on special interests in the US and not in Poland. There wont be any new military base in Poland either.

While PiS won, and they will do much of what they want within Poland, as is their right as ruling party, they need to be careful not to pi$$ off others they depend on. This will be very interesting to see how political relationships shake out.

It would be a good move since she has overstayed her welcome. I believe that Trump is pragmatic enough to understand that. Military and economic connection between the US and Poland is more important than some minor issues.

Georgette, as we familiarly call her here, had been Donald's friend for many years before he became US president, I am told.


Is there any chance for Biden as a US president to leave Ms. Mosbacher in her post?


Ms Mosbacher stands firmly in defence of media independent of government control which can be subjected to a ferocious, Hun-like attack on them from the ruling party in Poland

I think she is doing a great job and so do most sensible people - she works hard, has integrity and high moral standards and is pro business - no wonder PiS want her out.

There will be no military and economic connection between the US and Poland if Poland is hostile to American capital and a free and independent press.

You're naive @mafketis.

The US has as much interest to be involved here economically and politically as Poland does.
Germany wants to emancipate from the influence of the US and to create independent "EU army" ( a bundeswehr on steroids), and to make direct strategic deals with Russia (North stream II). Basically they would like to nullify the practical results of WWII.

Poland and Britain are the only major obstacles in achieving that. And Britain is leaving the EU right now.

And also if the US wants to keep the pressure on Russia they need Poland as well. It's a win-win for both Poland and the US.

And some minor dispute over a clumsy diplomat is not going to change a geopolitical situation in the region, heh

The dispute is over Poland crapping over US political values... Georgette is just making US policy clear (and that won't change if she is removed - which I don't see happening unless Trump loses).

We'll see that when she is replaced, won't we? If that's not going to change anything then it should be a mere formality.

I expect it would be someone less clumsy, more tactful, with more experience and less bloated ego.
A diplomat is just a messenger.

Exactly and PiS and Konfederacja are against the American message.

There is now way the Enemy is going to let Trump win in November so prepare yourselves accordingly.

Yes, and that is clear to everyone except PiS and Konfedercja. Long live Georgette!

Long live Am ambassador, a female with huge balls, who makes rightard boys stand to attention before her. We need more like her. hahaha


Did you you know she has been Trump`s friend for decades??? hahaha

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