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The Political Circus of Poland


boletus 30 | 1,366
6 Nov 2011 #31
I think that is a pretty strange fascination.

Polish media, including the Rightest of the Right - Gazeta Polska, is all so fascinated by the recent events, so why should not I. See for example their recent article "About durability of the mohair-hooligan alliance", "O trwałość sojuszu kibolsko-moherowego",

We have a huge post-election hangover. Those who hoped that tens of thousands of supporters organizing patriotic framing of the Warsaw Uprising , June of 1956 the Soldiers accursed influence the outcome of the election , they need to feel disappointed. We lost . Not only because of the enemy forces . Also own mistakes . They must be carefully analyzed to never happen again . It will not be pleasant - for anyone.

It is so funny that one does not need to search anywhere else to have a good laugh.

"Gazeta Polska," summed up the participation of "kibols" (football hooligans) in the elections. It does not hide that this participation was much too small. The newspaper had hoped that the "kibols" would overthrow the Tusk's government and come to power together with Jarosław Kaczyński. Unfortunately, these people have failed.

It turned out that that alliance is not durable at all. "Leaders of the football fan movement did not fight strongly enough to influence political choices of their sympathizers - the guys from the residential housing." As a result, the guys did not go voting, and even if they went, the voted for Palikot's Movement, which represents feminists, gays and trans-genders. This demonstrates, unfortunately, some serious intellectual confusion prevailing among both people from the residential housing and those from similar environments.

:-)
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
6 Nov 2011 #32
Boletus, thanks for that article. It is the first time I have read (tried to, at least) right wing Gazeta Polska. Oh, my dear God! Who is the recipient of that heap of crap? ????? A primary school graduate? Have they ever thought there might be some intelligent guys in Poland?

Sorry, I couldn`t read it to the end.

It turned out that that alliance is not durable at all. "Leaders of the football fan movement did not fight strongly enough to influence political choices of their sympathizers - the guys from the residential housing."
:-)

Yes, :-) :-) :-) :-) :-).

Did you notice an apology on their site? The court ruling forced them to apologise to TVN station for publishing false info.

Za błędną i nierzetelną informację przepraszam TVN S.A. oraz Redaktora Naczelnego programu "Fakty TVN". Tomasz Sakiewicz, Niezależne Wydawnictwo Polskie Sp. Z o. o.
Ironside 50 | 11,105
6 Nov 2011 #33
Yes, I will, with pleasure, in order to learn sth, as he is more intelligent than me.

Yes, you are intelligent but its only makes you worse:))))

Because they are the baddest of the bad? :):):):)

I;m sure you know your line :)))
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
6 Nov 2011 #34
I;m sure you know your line :)))

Ok, stop beating about the bush and talk about PO at last. There is plenty of work to do but the guys seem asleep. Wake those lazies up!
boletus 30 | 1,366
6 Nov 2011 #35
apology on their site?

Hmm, quite interesting. :-)
Well, it was fun to talk but I have to go now. See you tomorrow.
antheads 13 | 366
7 Nov 2011 #36
how is palikots movement first days in parlament? ?What bills do they plan to introduce?
boletus 30 | 1,366
7 Nov 2011 #37
Tonight there will be a meeting of the parliamentary club of the Palikot Movement (RP). The MPs will decide which bills they want to bring first on the agenda.

Andrzej Rozenek, the club spokesman, says that one of the first projects they consider is a law about civil partnership. They also want to cut bureaucracy and improve the lives of the poor and the excluded.

But the top RP news is: they want to change the name of their party, and they will ask Internet users to help. Preferable initials are still RP. The contest's winner will be offered a free membership card of the new party. Rush in, this is the big opportunity!
mafketis 25 | 9,304
7 Nov 2011 #38
top RP news is: they want to change the name of their party .... Preferable initials are still RP.

Rżnіjmy Polaków ???*

Just being helpful

*Let's scrеw the Poles
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
7 Nov 2011 #39
how is palikots movement first days in parlament? ?What bills do they plan to introduce?

Funny but Palikot has been overshadowed by turbulences in PiS. Today a faction of 17 MPs have created a new club in the parliament. They are henchmen/supporters of Ziobro who was thrown out of the party a few days ago.

Anyone predicted a split up in PiS? :):):)
boletus 30 | 1,366
7 Nov 2011 #40
"After Cymański, Jacek Kurski and Zbigniew Ziobro went to Brussels they became sheepish (dumbfounded)
- Adam Hofman, today

"Let he takes care because he might get sheepish (dumbfounded) himself. For he who talks garbage, may become a garbage figure himself; he who insults others will be insulted back"

- Tadeusz Cymański about Adam Hofman, today
[Free translation, the original wording is hard to translate]

Let us go back the history lane to listen to some prominent assertions of Mr. Hofman:

"With the PSL is like this: these fellows had left their tiny towns and villages and reached Warsaw - they became savages and dumbfounded: they dance, they sing, and they vote […] for the same sex partnership. The peasants left their villages and they got their screws loose."

- Adam Hofman, in TVN24 interview, 2011-08-25

I just wonder what is going to happen to Adam Hofman in the near future. He is only 31 years old, but he has no real education besides political science, he has no real world profession, no real world experience, and he just lives off scraps from Kaczyński's table. All he has shown so far are his "golden thoughts". He must worry a lot, and this is why he bites and yaps.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
7 Nov 2011 #41
Hoffman is obnoxious, indeed. Yet, he is a true PiS politician by character. He perfectly imitates his boss. :):):):)
boletus 30 | 1,366
8 Nov 2011 #42
Rżnіjmy Polaków ???*

Some professional advertising agency ignored the suggested RP initials and proposed "665" for their new name - meaning "The Lesser Evil".

OOPS!

Tomorrow the club of Palikot's Movement (RP) will meet to react to the brutal attack on Monika Olejnik in the weekly "Fakty i Mity" published by Roman Kotlinski, a member of the party.

- Once Kotliński could print out whatever he wanted, few people read it, but now he is a MP and it requires a certain restraint. His every word burdens our Movement. I am afraid that he will be a growing concern for us - says RP spokesman Andrzej Rozenek

In Sunday's program of Monika Olejnik, "The seventh day of the week", on Radio ZET, Rozenek said at the very beginning of the discussion: - I wanted to publicly apologize for the shameful article in the weekly "Facts and Myths". Palikot's Movement distances itself from such activities. I promise that some consequences will be drawn with respect to our MP.

After the program, Rozenek handed flowers to Monika Olejnik.

Some smelly details here:

Palikot's Movement will take place this week due to the brutal attack on Monika Olejnik weekly published by the Roman Kotlinski , member of the party

Kotliński is a former priest and editor-in -chief of " Facts and Myths " , anticlerical magazine , who supported Janusz Palikot in the election campaign and the creator of the Palikot Movement writes for several months fixed columns.

aphrodisiac 11 | 2,442
8 Nov 2011 #43
Monika Olejnik is controversial to say the least, wouldn't you say?
boletus 30 | 1,366
8 Nov 2011 #44
Oh definitely! The first time I heard her interviewing somebody I had the most negative feeling about her: a big mouth, interrupting every few seconds, putting her own words into the person's mouth. That said, the articles in "Fakty i Mity" have no justifications whatsoever. If Palikot is anybody but just the trouble stirrer he must already regret having people like Kotliński in his party.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
8 Nov 2011 #45
Monika Olejnik is controversial to say the least, wouldn't you say?

No, I wouldn`t. She seems aggressive and prying to us, but that what modern journalism is about. For American standards, she is a sweet angel, so don`t complain because she could be much much worse. And she has always been like that - I remember her from 1980s when she worked in my fav radio station.

See her in a socialist bottle bank:


boletus 30 | 1,366
8 Nov 2011 #46
The circus has begun at the earnest at the very first session of Sejm...

MP Ludwik Dorn, Independent, stated that - according to Mr. Nowak's recommendation - the main advantage of Mrs. Kopacz [as a candidate for the Speaker of the Parliament], the former minister of health, is sex.

He was interrupted by shouts from Janusz Palikot from the audience: "Please stop these chauvinistic remarks, enough of this Nationalistic-Catholic cabaret."
- Please deduct the time of the Palikot's gurgle from my allotted time - said Dorn.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
8 Nov 2011 #47
Sex might sound ambigous here. I would say: gender. :):):)

Yes, we can expect more that kind of stuff from him. :):):)

Circus, circus.........

PS. Wanda Nowicka, Palikot`s candidate to the post of deputy marshall, was turned down in the ballot. Amazing, but PO and PiS politicians are unanimous about it: she is too controvercial. E.g., she is believed to have said that Polish officers murdered in Katyn were losers.

Post of Mrs Nowicka , or its immediate surroundings , from her house , which she could not comment about " darmozjadach of Katyn " were so outrageous that the result of the vote was predictable - said on TVN24 Deputy Parliament Speaker (PO) commenting on the first vote on the nomination of Ms " Palikot Movement " to the position of Deputy Speaker . He agreed with the Law and Justice deputy , who found that the person acting as the Speaker should be the least controversial.
boletus 30 | 1,366
9 Nov 2011 #48
Responding to a question from one of the PiS's MPs, Jaroslaw Kaczynski used a paraphrase of part of "History of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks' ", a propaganda history book of the Stalinist era. As we confirmed in three independent sources, the PiS Chairman had a joke: - I think I will soon write a letter to the members, which will start with the words: "The vigilant party security organs and the heroic political committee prevented a plot, and cast out from their ranks a reptile Zbigniew Ziobro and two amphibians Jacek Kurski and Tadeusz Cymański".

Despite the split made ​​by ziobrystów Jaroslaw Kaczynski bursting with humor at Monday's meeting of the club PiS. Referring to the propaganda language of the Bolshevik party , called Zbigniew Ziobrę reptile and Jack Kurski and Tadeusz Cymańskiego amphibians - set " On " .

Clever, he tries to disarm a satirical website "Museum of IV Polish Republic", which has been mocking him for several years now, using exactly the same style. As a matter of fact they printed it as their motto of the week - embellished with their usual bunch of glorious attributes.

Motto of the week:
"I think I will soon write a letter to the members, which will start with the words: 'the vigilant party security organs and the heroic political committee prevented a plot, and cast out from their ranks a reptile Zbigniew Ziobro and two amphibians Jacek Kurski and Tadeusz Cymański.'" - New Saviour of Wolska, Steadfast and Charismatic Leader of the Resistance Movement, Miracoulusly Survived Chairman-Prime Minister-almost-President Jarosław (Hung. : Jarosláth) Temporarily-Altered Kaczynski


But not to be outdone by the MSCPmaP Jarosław TA Kaczyński, the Museum produces two important pieces of news:

News:
November 8: - A crushing success of the Resistance Movement! The self-appointed governor of the Russian-German condominium Donaldu Tusku resigned, with all his government. Unfortunately, Elected-By-Mistake WSI Agent Lying-President Bronisław Faked-Count Beast Komorowski (Russian: Бронислав Коморовский, operating nickname: "gamekeeper") - ignoring the opinion of the multimillion multitude of the Most Righteous Wolaks nationwide - shamelessly entrusted Tusku with the mission of forming a new government.

November 8 - A gigantic scandal at the first meeting of the Sejm, "elected" in the rigged elections: despite a truly heroic attitude of the two fighters of the Resistance Movement - Antoni Macierewicz and Małgorzata Gosiewska - a function of Speaker of the Parliament was granted to the most incompetent former Health Minister, Ewa Kopacz, as a reward for invention and wide dissemination - together with Donaldu Tusku - of lies of Smolensk, as well as for creation of conditions for making of ice cream on a massive scale in Polish hospitals - whose only legitimacy to this position - as fearlessly and consciously noticed by MP Dorn - is her gender.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
9 Nov 2011 #49
Gay MP publicly accused other MPs of the lack of tolerance for sexual minorities when they burst into laughter after he had used the phrase: A blow below the belt in his speech. He said their scandalous reaction was the effect of the lack of sexual education. MPs continued laughing but he didn`t give in. Good for him.

See at 1:00.



Interviewed later on Biedroń explained he felt astonished and disgusted.

If anyone else would say , it's probably the croaking anyway. It was an unpleasant experience for me - he said " Kropka over and " Robert Biedroń , commenting on Tuesday's reaction deputies during his speech before the vote on the candidacy of Wanda Nowicka Deputy Speaker of Parliament . - I was going to abstain , but I admit that the occurrence of Mr. Biedroń meant that even voted against - explained in turn, Ms Julia Pitera PO .
boletus 30 | 1,366
10 Nov 2011 #50
Here is another circus, this time far away from Sejm. Major Generał Mirosław Różański, a commander of the 11th Lubuska Division of Armoured Cavalry in Żagań, one of the best Polish commanders, submitted his resignation from the army - only few days before the Polish Independence Day.

Although the general refuses to comment on his decision, unofficially it is said that the cause was the conflict between him and his immediate superior - Generał Zbigniew Głowienka, the commander of land forces. Sparks have been flying between the two generals for a few months now.

Several weeks ago Major Generał Mirosław Różański took part in the discussion about future of Polish Armed Forces in the weekly "Polska Zbrojna".

Referring to several fundamental problems he asked the rhetorical question: "What is more dangerous: a pride of lions led by a ram or a flock of sheep commanded by a lion?"

One can easily guess who that ram could be. The commander of 11th Division pointed out many problems, which the highest commanders do not seem to notice, and which paralyze the activities of the Polish army.

The good news is that the MOD's chief, Tomasz Siemioniak, tried to convince Różański to change his mind. Consequently, he agreed to remain in the MOD's reserve till the April next year.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
10 Nov 2011 #51
when they burst into laughter after he had used the phrase: A blow below the belt in his speech.

Palikot defends his party colleague and claims that Polish homophobia may eliminate us from the EU.

If the Union knew that Poland has the face of homophobia , Stefan Niesiołowski , Julia Pitera , we would not be in the European Union - rated in " Kropka over and " Janusz Palikot . According to him , the behavior of MPs in relation to Robert Biedroń is " embarrassing " .

In the " Kropka over and " Palikot Members commented reaction to the speech Mr Robert Biedroń that has been stamped out laughing. Biedroń , during the presentation of candidatures by Wanda Nowicka on the Deputy Speaker of Parliament , said that the attacks against it are " a blow below the belt " . Hall burst out laughing , which Biedroń took as a reference to his sexual orientation.

boletus 30 | 1,366
12 Nov 2011 #52
"Donald Tusk is responsible for the Friday riots" - says Jarosław Kaczyński.

Yes, the explanation follows:

11 November - Unprecedented in the history of the world, a gigantic provocation of the occupiers and their Russian-German principals took place, who ordered savage hordes of alleged "police", armed to the teeth, to brutally attack, without provocation, an exceptionally peaceful and joyful demonstration of many thousands, spontaneously organized on the occasion of The Independence Day by the best Sons of the Nation, originating - among the others - from the All-Polish Youth, the National Radical Camp, Solidarity 2010 and the Sunday Schools Association "Kibole".

The proof that the provocation was carefully thought out in advance and prepared meticulously, is provided, among others, by handpicked moment of their attack, which occurred at the time when the demonstrators were in preparation for an ambitious social project for the martyred Warsaw, consisting of removing piles of already much worn paving stones on The Constitution Square, and of cleaning the street bins, which had not been emptied for years by the inefficient bureaucrats of the self-appointed "president" of Warsaw, Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz (mafia's pseudo: "Barmaid" aka "HGW").

The regime provocateurs went even so far in their shameful actions as to destroy the vans of TV Polsat, TVN24 and Polish Radio and to throw flares and petards at the - hated by all patriots - Belvedere Palace and Russian Embassy, while taking advantage of complete surprise of the demonstrators, who in confusion unwittingly dropped down the paving stones and bins, as well as the combustible materials, which they had prepared to illuminate their work place. Forty of them, which is an unprecedented event in history, self-mutilated themselves on the orders of their superiors, allegedly requiring hospitalization of 29 "policemen".
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
12 Nov 2011 #53
"Donald Tusk is responsible for the Friday riots" - says Jarosław Kaczyński.

In the Polish section of PF I once said that the only asset of the Saviour could be his patriotism if it wasn`t played in such an idiotic way. Just like today.

The Saviour said that Germans beat Poles who carried national symbols and it was unbelievable that Tusk allowed it.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
12 Nov 2011 #54
David Cameron got his police speeches in Parliament. Now Tusk will have his. Who's next, Italy? Mark my words, I see trends very well and have predicted all manner of global events and this will only get bigger. JK should stop yapping, though. He isn't helping.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
12 Nov 2011 #55
Hoffman is obnoxious, indeed. Yet, he is a true PiS politician by character. He perfectly imitates his boss. :):):):)

Exactly! He has got the most punchable face in the world. profesoionaly pieniasz.
boletus 30 | 1,366
16 Nov 2011 #56
So Ziobro's group has only until Friday to repent. I wonder if anybody breaks ranks.

I suddenly remembered this story about behaviour of Polish writers in Lwów (Lviv) in 1939, when Soviets put pressure on them offering either very uncertain future or membership in Union of Ukrainian Writers and the Soviet canteen with food on the table. Everyone ran away from the Professional Union of Polish Writers (ZZLP) to join the Soviet organization, but its chairman, Ostap Ortwin - of mixed Jewish-Ukrainian blood.

Here is a scene of two Poles remiscening the events in a coffee place somewhere in Toronto in 1980s: the author of the book "Granica Sokoła", Jarosław Abramow-Newerly, and a grandson of Count Bielski, who witnessed those events - as they took place in his own mansion, requisitioned by Soviets.

- Don't you know what a "kajak" league is? Didn't your Grandpa tell you that?!
- No, he did not ...
- That means he was not a "kajakarz". He did not "kajał się" before the committee, repenting his crime. Because it was a necessary condition for admission to Polish section of "Sojuz Pisatielej Sovietskogo Sojuza" (Union of USSR Writers).

- A verification as during Martial Law in Poland in 1980s?
- Much worse. More like a show trial. The accused had to publicly spit on himself and cut himself off his past, repent before the whole hall, and only then, possibly, by grace of the committee, he would be accepted into the Polish section, where he had to prove that he deserved this honour. And he would be proving. "Kaja-Kaja-kajakarz".

- He "kajal się". I follow it ...
- Yes, he followed his colleagues too. Sure.

kajak = a kayak
kajakarz = a kayaker
kajał się = he did not confess repentantly (the word play)

Do you remember Maciej Maciejewski (PiS), a Vice-President of the Warsaw's Committee for Culture and Promotion? The one who twitted the following with regard to safe emergency landing of the LOT airplane some time ago?:

"The civilian Boeing was able to land on its belly but the TU154 military bomber could not withstand a collision with a birch tree ?!!!!!!" and then "and now these PO rogues will crow with delight about the great success of Tusk the Russet".

And he later continued when a press conference of President Bronisław Komorowski was announced, and who congratulated the pilot Cpt. Tadeusz Wrona of his masterly landing with a broken landing gear at Okęcie airport : "That was supposed to be a LOT conference, but that wretch had to promote himself; say thanks to your masters in the Kremlin, you clown." After a while he completed his entry: "A delay of the meritorious LOT conference only in order to promote Komorowski is a scandal."

Well, the man is no longer the Vice-President of the Warsaw's Committee for Culture and Promotion. His colleagues from Warsaw's City Council voted him out of office: 38 councilors voted "yes", 1 against, 3 abstained, PiS councilors did not take part in voting.

After that the Councillor Maciejewski stated in his usual gentle, placable and apologetic way: - I do not attach much importance to the position of Vice-President of the committee. If you want to silence me, you have to ask for help from your friend Richard C. [Richard C. is charged with the murder of a PiS activist and with attempted murder]

- I am surprised that you did not present this to the ethics committee or the prosecutor office, but you are just trying to dismiss me from the Vice-President position. This is the political chicane - he added. And he continued: - I demand to remove the word "insulted" from the contents of the resolution because the prosecutor office have not ruled yet, but the Chairman has already issued a verdict against me. If this word is not removed I will undertake appropriate legal action - said the punished councilman.

Well, this is a beautiful sample of a true unapologetic rudeness of a low life politician. Oh, by the way, he was a candidate to the Parliament but has not been elected.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
19 Nov 2011 #57
During the parliamentary debate, Tusk said that PiS had supported bandits who attacked the police during 11 November riots. PiS members left the room in protest and the Saviour threatened to take him to court for that.

If the Prime Minister gets up the courage to speak to me outside the Sejm this groove him two processes - Civil and Criminal , announced after the occurrence of the Sejm head of government, the president of the Law and Justice . Jaroslaw Kaczynski referred to the words of Donald Tusk , allegedly had a relationship with the people who were fighting with the police on November 11 in Warsaw. - This is an outright lie - said the leader of the PiS. When the Prime Minister said this from the parliamentary rostrum of the PiS deputies in protest left the meeting room .

- I call Donald Tusk to ensure that what is said about the support I those who were fighting with the police on November 11 , said the parliamentary rostrum not - because then it is hidden for full immunity material - only in other circumstances.


The circus, the circus.
Ironside 50 | 11,105
20 Nov 2011 #58
During the parliamentary debate, Tusk said that PiS had supported bandits who attacked the police during 11 November riots.

Yes and he lies.
boletus 30 | 1,366
20 Nov 2011 #59
No he did not. He was referring to Beata Kempa and agent "Tomek" pledging for the "kibol" Piotr "Staruch" Staruchowicz. This info is still in hundreds of archives. No sense to deny it.
OP pawian 176 | 15,454
20 Nov 2011 #60
He was referring to Beata Kempa and agent "Tomek" pledging for the "kibol" Piotr "Staruch" Staruchowicz.

Actually, it was Senator Romaszewski:


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