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Novichok 4 | 8037
13 May 2023 #1
I asked if the UK had a war, not criminals. So you lied.
A bomb does not a war make.

Did the US have a war in Oklahoma? If so, it was the world's shortest war ever...

Talking to Euros is exasperating.

Do you know Charles' job description? How do you know he is doing what he is supposed to?
Atch 20 | 4153
14 May 2023 #2
A bomb does not a war make.

But 16,209 does.
Alien 21 | 5279
14 May 2023 #3
But 16,209 does


Were there so many IRA bombings?
Atch 20 | 4153
14 May 2023 #4
Not just IRA, the Unionists also planted bombs. And yes, there were that many.
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
14 May 2023 #5
It's almost funny how you all attempt to relabel criminal acts as war.

Wars are between states and men in uniforms we refer to as an "army". Without a uniform, they are spies and saboteurs. When caught, they are summarily executed.

Criminal acts are between criminals and the police. When caught, they go to jails, are tried, and go to prison, not a POW camp, when convicted. Nobody tries POWs for just participating in a war. The number of victims does not change anything.

Back to Charles...Where did he fly his chopper? Did every heli pilot get a medal?
Atch 20 | 4153
14 May 2023 #6
Criminal acts are between criminals and the police.

So not what happened in Northern Ireland then. I'm glad you understand that.
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
14 May 2023 #7
I didn't know Northern Ireland had its own army. When caught, did they go to jail or a POW camp?
Atch 20 | 4153
14 May 2023 #8
Novi, I know you pretend to be more stupid than you are in order to get attention from other posters. However, my tolerance does not stretch to having an exchange regarding Northern Ireland which is essentially disrespectful to the memory of the dead from that conflict. In any case it doesn't have any place on a thread about European news and Poland.
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
14 May 2023 #9
he dead from that conflict.

It would take you less effort to answer my simple questions. As a loser, you chose to go personal. Every loser does it eventually...

So which one was it:

1. Criminal acts
2. A conflict
3. Police action
4. Special operation
5. War

Second question: Was there a POW camp for those who were caught killing Brits?

Pick a number 1 through 5 and yes vs no. I can't make it any simpler.
Barney 16 | 1680
14 May 2023 #10
Was there a POW camp for those who were caught killing Brits?

Yes. But also people who were simply suspected of something or other.

To understand Irish political debate you need to start around the fifth century or if you want to fast forward a few hundred years you could start with the split between the northern and southern O'Neills. Or you could visit one of the many forums devoted to Irish matters.
Bobko 26 | 2056
14 May 2023 #11
Ireland is thinking about creating a sovereign wealth fund. You know, like Norway, Qatar, Kuwait, etc. Except Ireland doesn't have any oil, gas, or anything really. It's all American tax money.

Quote:
Finance minister Michael McGrath presented a "scoping paper" on a future fund to a cabinet meeting on Tuesday as government finances are awash in corporate tax receipts from US tech and pharma companies based in Ireland.

Dublin expects to net €65bn in budget surpluses between now and 2025 and is seeking to future-proof its finances in case its corporate tax bonanza runs out just as it faces spiralling pensions costs.

The paper had examined similar plans in Norway, Japan and Australia and set out criteria for the fund, which is to be managed by the National Treasury Management Agency, the finance ministry said.


A 10 billion euro surplus is forecast this year. Disgusting amount of money.
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
14 May 2023 #12
Yes. But also people who were simply suspected of something or other.

Were those in the POW camps treated as POWs and according to the Geneva Convention or as criminals to be tried later in courts?
Barney 16 | 1680
14 May 2023 #13
Were those in the POW camps treated as POWs and according to the Geneva Convention

Yes.

@Bobko
The 26 counties had a SWF but it was swallowed during the banking crisis probably because it was set up by corrupt individuals. For example one of those overseeing it, a former finance minister and future Taoiseach didn't have a bank account. I find that hard to believe but apparently its true.

Setting up a slush fund for your rich mates when there is a severe housing crisis is a disgrace.
jon357 74 | 22833
14 May 2023 #14
SWF

A very good thing to do.

I read an article recently saying there may be another which was praised. Interestingly the article warned against using standard metrics for analysing the Irish economy, especially GDP per capita) since the figures are distorted by the tax revenues from 10 multinationals who could relocate as easily as they arrived. Basically, use the money wisely now since it may not be there should there be any significant economic events or if the companies in question get a better deal.
Barney 16 | 1680
14 May 2023 #15
@jon357
Ireland (26 counties) had no industrial heritage to speak of so the government invested highly in education and opened the economy to attract investment. Its easier to move "low skilled" jobs than high skilled ones, Apple for example couldn't move as easily to another EU country as a less skills based company could, the same is true of the pharma industry and so on. The tax regime question has largely been answered.

A SWF is great in principal however the housing crisis needs addressing first Ireland is 32nd in income inequality of 34 OECD members. The next government will hopefully address this.
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
14 May 2023 #16
Yes.

Where was the POW camp located?
Barney 16 | 1680
14 May 2023 #17
@Novichok
Long Kesh
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Maze

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Category_Status#:~:text=Special%20category%20(or%20%22political%22,specified%20in%20the%20Geneva%20Conventions.

Special category (or "political") status was de facto prisoner of war (POW) status, providing them with some of the privileges of POWs, such as those specified in the Geneva Conventions.[3] This meant prisoners did not have to wear prison uniforms or do prison work, were housed within their paramilitary factions, and were allowed extra visits and food parcels.[4][5]

Further discussion can be found on any number of Irish forums...
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
14 May 2023 #18
Here is the problem...Quoting:

He played a central role in MI5's Operation Arbacia, which culminated at the end of this summer with the arrest of nine suspected leading New IRA members, all of whom have been charged with directing acts of terrorism.

The nine suspected New IRA figures charged with directing terrorism are Kevin Barry Murphy,50, Davy Jordan, 49, Damien McLaughlin, 44, Gary Hayden, 48, Joe Barr, 44, Shea Reynolds , 26, Paddy McDaid, 50, Sharon Jordan, 45, and Mandy Duffy, 49.


Those guys are "terrorists", not soldiers. Nobody puts POWs on trial. What gives?
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
15 May 2023 #19
My question is: Are those listed above...
1. Criminals
2. Terrorists
3. Separatists
4. Freedom fighters
Atch 20 | 4153
15 May 2023 #20
To understand Irish political debate

Which he doesn't want to do.

Further discussion can be found on any number of Irish forums...

In which he has zero interest. Have to laugh at how, whilst seeking to discredit Charles, your reference to his Paras insignia went completely over his head.

loser

What am I supposed to have lost? I haven't engaged in any debate or argument with you. You're not capable of sustaining either, especially on a topic about which you know nothing and care less.
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
15 May 2023 #21
Can I get a straight answer to my question in #19?
Atch 20 | 4153
15 May 2023 #22
Here is the problem...Quoting:

Barney answered your original question - your response above has nothing to do with that question.

Can I get a straight answer to my question in #19?

Yes, or perhaps no, but you have to decide that for yourself.
johnny reb 50 | 7263
15 May 2023 #23
Breaking News in Europe !
George Soros just announced that he is not dead yet ! :-(
Alien 21 | 5279
15 May 2023 #24
Breaking News

Johnny, Breaking News would have been if he announced that he was already dead.
Atch 20 | 4153
16 May 2023 #25
the answer you are afraid to cough out:

Your question has been debated and discussed openly and frankly in Ireland for fifty years and more. Everyone has their own view and everyone expresses it freely. That's the point. You have to decide for yourself. Neither I, nor Barney nor anyone else can answer the question for you. You've answered it. Well done.
Crnogorac3 4 | 910
16 May 2023 #26
ESPN 30 for 30

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Ceasefire Massacre

dailymotion.com/video/x20z5oj

Summaries
A look at the events of 18 June 1994, Republic of Ireland were playing in the World Cup in New Jersey and six fans supporting the team were gunned down watching the game in a pub 24 miles south of Belfast for political reasons.
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
16 May 2023 #27
Neither I, nor Barney nor anyone else can answer the question for you

You can answer that question for youself.

So, in your opinion, what are the nine listed in #18?

1. Criminals
2. Terrorists
3. Separatists
4. Freedom fighters
5. I am a Euro bootlicker and too scared to say
Atch 20 | 4153
16 May 2023 #28
I am a Euro bootlicker and too scared to say

That statement makes no sense in the context of the question you asked. Could you clarify the rationale behind it?
OP Novichok 4 | 8037
16 May 2023 #29
I gave you 5 choices. Pick one. 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5.
Atch 20 | 4153
16 May 2023 #30
Novi, your suggestion that as a 'Euro' I am afraid to express an opinion is extremely foolish, given the question you asked. If you took time to think before you spoke on so many topics, you would avoid making a fool of yourself as often as you do.

Your statement that one bomb doesn't make a war showed your total ignorance of the Troubles. That ignorance leads you to ask an idiotic question regarding a present day republican paramilitary group.

Why do you imagine that I would be 'afraid' to give you an answer? Whose boots would I be licking exactly? Answer me those two questions and I'll answer yours.


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