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jon357 74 | 22,424
11 Jun 2023 #121
She always did what she believed to be right and what she believed to be her duty

Yes. She believed it was Her duty, and for the Queen, duty came before everything else.

It's worth mentioning that She probably knew that Her cancer was incurable by then.

Whatever people think about masks, it's worth mentioning that in the UK almost everybody wore the masks and although the UK faced challenges that most other countries in Europe didn't face to the same extent (in part due to minority groups who live in large extended families and are statistically more likely to have customer-facing or healthcare jobs than the population as a whole) we pulled together and came through it all.

Let's hope there'll not be any more pandemics in our lifetime.
Ironside 51 | 12,467
11 Jun 2023 #122
The same goes for big frauds pretending to be authorities. Hopefully the next gen won't be so gullible and easily lead astray. Including BigPhar and government schemes.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
11 Jun 2023 #123
Whatever people think about masks, it's worth mentioning that in the UK almost everybody wore masks

There is a big wide line between intelligence and moronic obedience.

The Queen should be sitting next to her loved ones. Any risks were hers and theirs to take. Nanny state should have stayed as far away as she wished. It's her body after all, isn't it?

Even if that approach is objectionable, they all could have been tested for covid. Instead, moronic obedience and a desire to use her as a prop were a higher priority.

Disgusting idiots...

BTW, as the Queen was wearing her mask, did your pretend border patrols cheerfully accept hordes of unvaccinated and unmasked migrants?

Let me guess... Yes, they did.
jon357 74 | 22,424
11 Jun 2023 #124
wearing her mask, did your pretend border

Don't be silly.
Atch 20 | 4,155
12 Jun 2023 #125
a desire to use her as a prop were a higher priority.

The Queen was never forced to do anything during her lifetime other than what her own conscience directed. In many ways she was the least free person one can imagine because her sense of duty was her master throughout her life. She was sharp as a tack mentally right up till her death and made her own decisions. Just a few days before she died, she abandoned the protocol of a lifetime when she had a few friends and relations to dinner and told them not to 'dress'. Also, she didn't have the Piper pipe them in to the dining room as he always did at Balmoral. It was the last dinner party of her long life and she did it the way she wanted to at last, rather than how tradition and protocol required.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
12 Jun 2023 #126
In many ways she was the least free person one can imagine because her sense of duty was her master throughout her life.

She had no reason to sit alone. The optics of it were awful and added to the sense of dread at a time when the nation needed just the opposite.

That stupid mask was pure show-and-tell propaganda. Once she decided to sit alone the mask served no purpose.
Atch 20 | 4,155
12 Jun 2023 #127
The Queen would never have been an intentional instrument of propaganda but you have to understand that she was the basically the embodiment of the Establishment.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
12 Jun 2023 #128
Why was she sitting alone?
Atch 20 | 4,155
13 Jun 2023 #129
Because Covid regulations at the time required her to do so. The only person who could have sat with her was her Lady-in-Waiting who was part of her 'bubble', but that would have been a breach of protocol and the Queen would never publicly breach protocol, especially at a Royal funeral.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
13 Jun 2023 #130
Because Covid regulations at the time required her to do so.

No. Covid regs did not require separation of vaccinated, covid-free people. That's why couples and their kids living together were exempted from distance and mask rules.

Since that could have been established by a quick test, she was used as a propaganda prop.
With her and those near her vaccinated and covid-free, there was ZERO risk of a non-existing virus spreading within that small group.
jon357 74 | 22,424
13 Jun 2023 #131
Covid regs

Which Covid regulations?
Atch 20 | 4,155
13 Jun 2023 #133
Covid regs

Covid regs where? USA? The regs in the UK at the time didn't take account of whether you were vaccinated or not. You couldn't sit within two metres of anyone outside your household/support bubble. None of the Queen's family were part of her household so they couldn't sit near her. As I say Novi, the Queen would not allow an exception for herself.
jon357 74 | 22,424
13 Jun 2023 #134
Google it.

No need.

Don't assume your country's laws apply outside its borders.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
13 Jun 2023 #135
None of the Queen's family were part of her household so they couldn't sit near her.

They were covid-free. No need for ANY distance.
Atch 20 | 4,155
13 Jun 2023 #136
But in the UK the restrictions stated otherwise.
jon357 74 | 22,424
13 Jun 2023 #137
restrictions stated otherwise.

Indeed. And the idea of the Queen publicly breaking the law is laughable.

They could have had a more private funeral, they could have kept cameras off the Queen. Whatever.

That didn't happen, and Rich probably doesn't know or care that at the time of Prince Philip's funeral, the Queen almost certainly knew that Her own illness wasn't likely to be cured and that Her immune system was compromised. The death of the Queen during the Covid pandemic would have been a disaster on so many levels. The Queen (nobody kept anything from her ever) would have been aware of this and put duty first as always.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
13 Jun 2023 #138
I am talking about the Queen and her loved ones who were covid-free on that day.
1. Why were they separated while posing ZERO risk to one another and the rest of the 7 billion people?
2. What would happen if they decided to sit together?
jon357 74 | 22,424
13 Jun 2023 #139
Why were they

Their business.

See above and stop trying to argue about things of which you know nothing.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
13 Jun 2023 #140
See above and stop trying to argue about things of which you know nothing.

That's why I am ASKING questions, English genius...You know...those sentences that end with ?.

I know that logical thinking requires effort...Try this: If all the Brits on that day were covid-free, would distance and masks be an issue?

Since bootlickers never admit being wrong, the answer is NO.

Why then were the Queen and the family - all covid-free - separated while posing ZERO risk to one another?

And don't give me any crap about public laws. Public laws impose speed limits and other restrictions but, where brains operate properly, laws provide exceptions.

The Queen at her husband's funeral was the most exceptional exception ever - excluding a nuclear attack.

BTW, before you come up with more idiotic reasons why the Queen on a day like that should sit alone with ZERO risk to herself or anyone else, let this exchange be the final proof that you two are classic bootlickers.

Normal people would have already said fu*ck the rules and let the Queen have that special moment without being used "to send a message" or be an example. The message has already been sent a million times. One more time will not do anything that the first million didn't.

Human robots are beyond contempt...

Their business.

You just admitted that the Queen and the rest were idiots. Not nice...

Let's get back to European news and Poland
jon357 74 | 22,424
13 Jun 2023 #141
What a rant above.

Let's get back to European news and Poland

Sad that my very good reply was moved to junk yet the awful post it was replying to wasn't . However yes, better keep things to Poland however it's a mystery why that has suddenly become the policy now when most of this thread doesn't relate to PL at all. Perhaps move it to the off-topic section?

About Rich's post and Poland:

Since democratic countries like Poland and the U.K. have a system where laws are made by lawmakers), there is very little point asking people who are not parliamentarians or policymakers to justify decisions they did not themselves make. That's the same about matters in Poland, matters in Europe, matters in the US, matters elsewhere.

The regulations during the pandemic in Poland were made by those with legal authority to do so. All laws in democratic countries are made correctly, and if they are not the correct way to challenge them (or to review their effects afterwards) is through the courts. Rather than deliberately trying to rile up strangers online.

Here's something specifically relating to Poles and Poland that perhaps Rich would like to justify.

In 2022 alone, Polish citizens bought almost 3,000 Spanish properties, a record number and over 160% more than in the previous year

notesfrompoland.com/2023/06/06/costa-del-pole-polish-buyers-snapping-up-record-amounts-of-property-in-spain/

Why ar people from Poland staring to buy up property on the Costa Del Sol?
Miloslaw 21 | 5,140
13 Jun 2023 #142
If all the Brits on that day were covid-free

Covid free?

We still have 45 people a day dying of Covid here.
Feniks
14 Jun 2023 #143
her?

here

crapier

crappier

Why ar people from Poland staring to buy up property on the Costa Del Sol?

Cheaper property prices.
johnny reb 50 | 7,410
18 Jun 2023 #144
Ireland's new hate speech laws to include online abuse, incitement of violence and holocaust denial.
Criminal offenses will be determined by the perpetrator's intentions, not how the comment was perceived by the victim.

The proposed hate speech laws will include comments about the LGBT community, immigrants, Travellers, ethnic groups, and religious groups.

irishcentral.com/news/ireland-new-hate-speech-laws-holocaust-denial
mafketis 37 | 10,864
18 Jun 2023 #145
Incipient totalitarian spotted in Irish Senate..... apparently unpopular opnions need to be made illegal.... for the "common good".....

look, a road! and it's paved!..... with good intentions! I wonder where it goes to......

twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1669360642845966338
Atch 20 | 4,155
18 Jun 2023 #146
I wonder where it goes to......

Nowhere. It's Ireland. The existing Incitement to Hatred act covers most of this already and has resulted in only five convictions in over thirty years.
johnny reb 50 | 7,410
18 Jun 2023 #147
Ireland to pay $92,000 if people shift to its island
According to CNN, increased grants of up to €84,000 (nearly $92,000) will soon be made available to people willing to renovate vacant or abandoned homes and live inside them.

thenews.com.pk/latest/1081599-ireland-to-pay-92000-if-people-shift-to-its-island
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
18 Jun 2023 #148
So Poland discovered the beauty of having a referendum as an antidote to the EU poisons. I am truly impressed.
As I offered it to Germany, I am ready, at my own expense, to protect Poland from the foreign scum the EU totalitarian swamp is trying to force down Poland's throat. Never let these mother fu*ckers do it - even temporarily since migrants - like herpes - are forever.

youtu.be/XIZVJ87KJwA
Atch 20 | 4,155
19 Jun 2023 #149
So Poland discovered the beauty of having a referendum

I wouldn't hold my breath. The public have no experience of voting in referenda apart from the one to join the EU. The last attempt at a referendum ended in failure as the turnout was so low that the result wasn't legally binding.
OP Novichok 4 | 8,210
19 Jun 2023 #150
My money is on that this one will draw crowds like never before. I would vote twice to keep useless foreign scum away from white Christian Poland.


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