Election marathon 2018-2020 in Poland

The poor boy really does not have a clue what he is talking about, him using Katyn to push his own domestic Political agenda is beyond the pale and quite frankly abhorrent .

I'm not relying on it I'm citing it. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to believe the drivel about Polexit being spewed out of the mouths of Schetyna and his band of idiots.

I have seen this with my own eyes, things are getting better in Poland.

I see you are evading my question. :):) Why? Imagine, if you had a Polish nephew who has just turned 18 and got voting right but doesn`t know which party to vote, what would you advise him to do? Having Poland`s good in mind, of course? Show down, dolno.


1. Poland leaves the EU and becomes a free lancer in Europe, gradually dropping democratic principles. Semi dictatorial rule of PiS is generally condemned in Western Europe and US, in result Poland is becoming more and more alienated.

2. Putin, a mild dictator, is deposed by the enraged military or oligarchs and replaced with hardliners who are intent on regaining the Soviet Union`s sphere of influence in Europe at any cost.

3. After finishing off Ukraine and the Baltics, Poland is target number one. But, again deprived of real support. Like in 1939 the French didn`t want to die for Gdańsk, so in 2039 Germans and Brits won`t die for PiS`s Warsaw.

4. In result, Poland becomes Russian dependency and nobody cares except for most Poles, including me.

Conclusion - PiS or radical right, despite their assertions, are leading us back to the place which we thought we had left for good - Eastern Europe mixed with barbaric Asia.


It is so funny I can say the same thing about PiS.
No, not the same - they are even bigger crooks involved in greater corruption scandals than PO. Those are obvious things and one must be a hopeless imbecile not to see it. :):)

That`s because of the EU (which PiS is ready to leave to keep power).


Hey, don`t forget about American-owned TVN which is the main source of true info about Poland. When PiS tried to hush the company up, they were rebuked by US administration like kindergarten kids. Thanks to foreign owned media, Poles have access to reliable info because PiS state media lie and manipulate like in the communist times.

What principles? Your ignorance is criminal. Do you even know what you talking about? NOPE! Slogans son all silly slogans without meaning.


You know that sentence if nothing else proves you are a political idiot. How can PiS be expelled from the EU? the level of idiocy... (LOL)Do you really believe that Poland could be expelled from the EU?

It would be a great news for me. Unfortunately that is an utter nonsense voiced by the rabble of your sort.
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Sure. go move to the EU. As the EU citizen and patriot. Go and shine with your brain skills and education. Shouldn't be a problem eh? After all PO supporters are industrious, young, well educated and so on.....

Funny they don't want you there. They don't need trash like you. You're only needed as local managers for the EU bosses. They pat you on the shoulder and you feel bliss. A typical butler mentality.

Let me say it again. They don't respect you and your kind, they don't like you, they need you only as a tool to realize their interest and aims in Poland with your trashy hands. Your kind and you are not progressive, open minded, liberal European, you are a common like muck Easter European post commie trash.

Without Poland you would be less to them than nothing.

As usual, what you say is the product of the Kremlin disinformation factory and you act like (or as) a typical Kremlin troll whose task is to sow ferment in Western societies and thus weaken them. Sad that you behave as such a cheap sprzedawczyk. Tfu, you are repulsive svowotsh. :):)

Simple if he doesn't know who to vote for he should wait until he does, or like me he may come to the conclusion that they are all fools or frauds.

.....still....never forget people have died fighting for your right to vote. That shouldn't be thrown away lightly!

*steps down from soap box*

And how many have died at the hands of corrupt,errant,dictatorial, financially driven politicians.

....vote them down! :)

Your vote is the one thing they fear, the ONLY thing! You don't vote and with that give them the free run.

I don't vote = I lose the right to complain, that's how I see it!

Come on, you are still evasive. I really wonder why you are refusing a direct answer. Judging from other threads where you talked about fanatic patriotism or finishing off various traitors of the Polish nation, I assume you will/would vote PiS or radical rights because it is their typical agenda .

Here are quites from you from only one page in thhis thread https://polishforums.com/history/cursed-soldiers-controvercy-poles-respect-84588/2/

Anyway more of us who were truly cursed are returning to Poland. Take a deep breath, Poland will be stronger

you have been indoctrinated by the enemy of the nation, there will be a time I hope soon the swamp will be cleared.

From what I see Poland is growing stronger under it's leadership of today, all of us who were cursed by the evil of the Soviets an Nazis will have our day, traitors beware.


Yes, it is necessary, especially when 3 people meet at the ballot box: a rightard, a brainwashed simpleton and a decent intelligent person, the latter are outnumbered. That is why we we need to go voting.

No, now you are twisting things. It is obvious that citing someone to prove your interlocutor is wrong means relying on them. You reject the guy as a representative of Marxism-infested EU and at the same time you quote his opinion to back your argument in a discussion with me - that`s what I said was funny. :) That`s a perfect example of twisted personality.

And what is wrong in bringing traitors and criminals to Justice?, do you suggest letting them go free?

Oh I get it you bury Generals that oppressed and declared martial law on the Polish nation with full state honours allow them to be buried in hallowed ground reserved for the hero's of Poland.

I think it was PIS that allowed this desecration to occur am I correct?

Of course not. But it mustn`t be a witch hunt like you or other extreme patriots furiously propose because then the victims become the same as their oppressors and justice turns into farse.

As for martial law generals buried in hallowed ground, I know nothing about it. Certainly such funerals are not state ceremonies and if the family decides to take advantage of a priest and a mass etc it is their right.

Wojciech Jaruzelski buried at the Pawazki cemetery with military honours.

Oh no I don't want a witch hunt a full list crimes and the key players in the regime was compiled by the Polish government in exile.

One day the box will be opened and there will be Justice, I will save my vote for when a party emerges willing to share and act upon the truth, I am not alone. in this hope for justice.

You won't have to wait too long since Konfederacja is about to emerge as a 4th political power in Polish politics

No I am pro Europe.

All governments are corrupt to the core. Why would anyone want to be elected? To do good like popes? Sorry, bad example.
What matters to the voters is what these bums do for the country in their spare time after their golden parachutes are neatly folded and ready.

That is if they ever get to it. Being a corrupt thief is a full-time job.

Dolno you are clever guy so where would you stop with this search for justice ? There was plenty of suppression of democracy, imprisonment and persecution in pre war Poland, some of which was carried out by members of the "government" in exile. Would you want to rake over those coals again or do you think pre 1939 Poland was as romantic as they used to tell you down the Polish club on Sunday lunch ?

Rather accept that people even Communists, are not all good or all bad. Without understanding the complexity and motives of the times then your simple calls to lock up commies without trial help nobody. Most people in Poland want to move on from that - the 20 percent or so who do not have plenty of options they can vote for.

I suppose everyone has heard of the proposed emigration tax?
Under EU law that would be illegal, but such an obvious throwback to communism, when some political exiles had their properties confiscated and given to university professors and their ill, is clearly laughable.

Yet Poles actually stand by and tolerate such nonsense?
Of course, a diminishing number of Brits also tolerate the Tories. It's a mad world.

I'm also pro-Europe. That's why I'm againt the EU which is in direct contradition to traditional European values.

Agreed 100%.
Pro Europe.
Anti EU.
They are not, as many people seem to believe, the same thing.

Sadly no they are not anymore.

With you there Dolno - a thousand percent. When that blighter came on the TV my wife's family turned their backs to the set and carried on their conversation as if he never existed. Quite right too. A traitor if ever a traitor lived.


Immigrants usually are - as in - "I'm alright, Jack".
Disgusting.

I know what you are talking about and yes we did the above, they were desperate times were we were fighting for Poland's very existence, and yes those deemed a potential enemy of our state were interned, more for their own safety from free poles who would have torn them to pieces.

We carried on hunting and persecuting Polish soviet collaborators after the war.

I fully understand the propaganda that the PRL spread about the Polish government in Exile , I hear it here from time to time, but remember after 1989 Poland recognised us as the legitimate government of Poland during the PRL warts and all

Anyway this is a whole different topic, and to be honest it's not worth me discussing it further.

It is worth discussing Dolno if you wish for retroactive justice against anyone who offends you. Jaruzelski could also with a good lawyer argue that he was acting to prevent bloodshed and invasion.

You were not here in the 90s - now we take it as a given that Poland is a peaceful democracy but part of that is due to the ability of people to work with their enemies in those years - we could easily have ended up in the same place as Serbia or Belarus.

As for the govt in exile we could start a different thread some other time but if there had been fair elections in 1945 I doubt they would have got more than the Communists. Of course people are grateful for their support of Polish opposition in the 80s.

I find your comment rather offensive, as if in some way it you infer it is only me who wants justice and the truth to out, Hundreds of thousands suffered murder,prison and exile due to this hidden holocaust, do you deny the Jews? that their story should not be heard?.

As I said I do come across enigmas with views such as yourself from time to time, but is not for me to speculate why you feel criminals should be allowed to walk free and enjoy their ill gotten gains as kingpins in the PRL soviet regime.

Poles did not disappear off the street by some magic, I stand for the over 20000 murdered during the PRL, the UB and it's officers are a good starting point.


No chance in hell if the intelligence behind is dictatorship was released to the Public.

Guys, I noticed the thread has been cleaned twice within the last hour. We have to be careful with off topic posts.


Not only Schetyna now. Donald Tusk`s presidency of the EC is slowly coming to its end. Experts suggest he is thinking of coming back to Polish politics. It might happen in many different ways - e.g., he may support European Coalition or create his own movement. Tusk has been meeting with various politicians recently, also Schetyna, and seems to be estimating his chances before he decides on the best option. PIS are afraid Tusk might be the main rival of their president, Andrzej Duda, in next year`s presidential elections.

Tomorrow he is giving a lecture in Warsaw.

reuters.tv/l/PwrZ/2019/05/01/tusk-gives-a-lecture-on-poland-s-constitution-day-in-warsaw

I hope in Poland finally wins somebody who isn`t corrupt and who is willing to put Poland on the top of Central Europe, where Poland belong, far from the path of shame in subjugation to Rome and western Europe. Say no the Tzars in Rome, in Third Rome, in etc! This topic is about elections in Poland.