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There is no Poland without the Church!


jon357 74 | 22,258
15 May 2019 #151
Nah, only of a crime or an alleged crime is under investigation.

Rubbish. Any document alleging serious crimes against children is evidence. Any 'priest' who thinks such a document is not evidence must be naive, stupid or evil. Or all three.
Crow 159 | 9,006
15 May 2019 #152
If possible Poles should have national Polish Catholic Church, closer to Vatican then Orthodox Churches and far from Vatican as existing national Orthodox Churches. Is that even possible?
Ironside 51 | 12,441
15 May 2019 #153
Any document alleging

You just keep moving goalposts here. In that case any debate is pointless. Not that you have said something new or important.
Miloslaw 19 | 5,073
15 May 2019 #154
@jon357
Completely in agreement.
The church is not above the law.
Crow 159 | 9,006
15 May 2019 #155
Not above the law but must be national.
jon357 74 | 22,258
16 May 2019 #156
In that case any debate

Crimes against children are not a matter of debate.

The church is not above the law.

Even the Pope recognises that now; sadly in some places, clergy have been used to feeling as if they're above the law. This damages the Church too, as well as countless lives.

must be national.

Why?
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,047
16 May 2019 #157
Any document alleging serious crimes against children is evidence.

I am glad you are there, not here. The screaming me-too women would love you, though. Yeah, allegation is now evidence. What law school did you graduate from?

clergy have been used to feeling as if they're above the law.

They don't feel they are above the law. They know that what they have done is a felony and that's why they hide it. If they felt they are above the law, they would to do openly.

Like Hillary.
Crow 159 | 9,006
16 May 2019 #158
Why?

Must be national, not to be global.
jon357 74 | 22,258
16 May 2019 #159
You didn't say why you think that.,.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,116
16 May 2019 #160
The church is not above the law.

I think the problem is that there's no will to enforce punishments on members of the clergy that have done wrong. For instance, priests subject to bans with working with children have continued to do so, and no-one has stopped them from doing it. Then you've got situations such as the government publishing a list of paedophiles and strangely excluding priests from it.
Ironside 51 | 12,441
16 May 2019 #161
Crimes against children are not a matter of debate.

Here, you're doing that again. Cheep populism.

the government publishing a list of paedophiles and strangely excluding priests from it.

Maybe because many of them were snitches for the Soviet secret police or maybe they are protected by homosexual lobby in the church?
jon357 74 | 22,258
16 May 2019 #162
Cheep populism.

A plain fact and a matter of public record.
Crow 159 | 9,006
16 May 2019 #163
You didn't say why you think that.,.

That? Well, its important religious center to be within country, not outside. Outside center always tend to impose kind of globalistic thinking on believers and deny local specifics.

Can you imagine countries form Intermarium in the future and then wait for Poland to coordinate with Pope? Idea of it is ugly to me. I mean, somewhat of coordination isn`t that bad but, what if Pope wants to control. What then. He have mechanism and why he wouldn`t use mechanism.
Miloslaw 19 | 5,073
16 May 2019 #164
Outside center always tend to impose kind of globalistic thinking on believers and deny local specifics

Blimey,Crow, you found yourself agreeing with me on an earlier post and now I find myself agreeing with you.....
Maybe we have some common ground after all.
Crow 159 | 9,006
16 May 2019 #165
Of course. More European politics looks like porno movie, more we will understand each other. Historically, when came to porno situation to which Poles and Serbs combined power, they were always able to offer great orgies.
jon357 74 | 22,258
17 May 2019 #166
Well, its important religious center to be within country, not outside

Why?

Outside center always tend to impose kind of globalistic thinking on believers

What's wrong with that?

deny local specifics.

Not generally in the RCC, which has a concept called 'the local church', all about regional differences.
pawian 223 | 24,567
8 Sep 2023 #167
Young priests are leaving the church in droves. So many left Poznań diosese during summer holidays that even the local archbishop wrote a letter to his subordinates.

An experienced priest suggests the main reason for giving up the priesthood is celibacy.

I agree - it is high time to end this hypocrisy. Most straight priests have female lovers which makes the whole idea of celibacy a joke.

Article:
onet.pl/informacje/onetpoznan/duchowni-z-poznania-rezygnuja-mamy-niz-powolaniowy/sy06bw6,79cfc278
jon357 74 | 22,258
8 Sep 2023 #168
Poznań diosese

I once saw a gaggle of seminarians in Poznan, eating Mars Bars in the street on Good Friday.

Mind you, Paetz was still there then so maybe they needed to take the taste of his emissions away.
pawian 223 | 24,567
8 Sep 2023 #169
eating Mars Bars in the street on Good Friday.

Is it frowned upon by the Church???
jon357 74 | 22,258
8 Sep 2023 #170
One would hope so. Not good optics when wearing a soutane.
Charliesy 2 | 19
9 Sep 2023 #171
Is it frowned upon by the Church???

Gives a whole new meaning to "is that a fun size mars bar or are you just pleased to meet me"
Nickidewbear 23 | 609
10 Sep 2023 #172
"There is no Poland without the Church; Poland does not have moral teaching other than that which the Church proclaims."

Lest he veers Polish nationalism, he would do well to remember that there would be no Polish church of any kind without Jews. Even the Polish "Jeszua" comes directly from the Hebrew and Aramaic "Yeshua" (יֵשׁוּעַ).
Alien 21 | 5,165
10 Sep 2023 #173
Polish church of any kind without Jews.

Well, that's what the church in Poland is like and it's doing well.
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 498
10 Sep 2023 #174
"Well" is clearly relative.

When PiS finally spadnie z siodełka than KrK will be in a massive troubles.
Alien 21 | 5,165
10 Sep 2023 #175
@RubasznyRumcajs
The Catholic Church has survived 2000 years, it will survive you... and me.
RubasznyRumcajs 5 | 498
10 Sep 2023 #176
aye, it will.
there will always be handsome altar boys to seduce.

but seriously- it's current marriage with PiS politicians will not work for it well.
judging from how much power it used to have, and how much power does it have now- one cannot ignore that they are in steady decline. apart from italy and poland krk isn't really that much important anymore.
Alien 21 | 5,165
10 Sep 2023 #177
apart from italy and poland krk isn't really that much important anymore.

And what about Ireland and Spain and then all of Latin America and Mexico.
Novichok 4 | 8,036
10 Sep 2023 #178
there will always be handsome altar boys to seduce.

This is why a good father would take his son to see the priest and say this:

See this boy? If you as much as think about touching him the wrong way I will blow your fu*cking brains out. Did I speak clearly or do you want it in Latin?


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