Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

Israel didn't have to switch to NK mode for 25 years. Neither did Pakistan. Nor France. Poland can get the right number of nukes to make attacking her highly unprofitable without switching to Juche-like economy.


That's the whole point. With our own nukes we won't need any "masters" anymore.

Quite.

Britain got ours when the economy was extremely tight anyway.

And now, there's no need for a development stage.

Exactly.

Poland getting nukes and going neutral is a no-brainer. If Russia really wanted a neutral Poland, they would give us the required nukes themselves. This way they would have a safety buffer between themselves and "hostile NATO", and they wouldn't have to worry about any invasion from the West because such invasion would have to go through nuclear Poland!

The problem is Russia doesn't really want a neutral Poland - they want Poland in their sphere of influence again. :(

Two old Poles are discussing:
- Do you remember the movie "Four Tankers and a Dog"?
- Of course I remember, it's a true movie, they didn't show so much truth about Poles before.
- And what do you think, if we had two tanks like that, what then?
- Then we would have won the war without the Russians, and not only the Germans, but also the Japanese would have been defeated, imagine Polish tanks in the center of defeated Tokyo, both.....

- No, I think the Russians knew all this from the beginning and that's why they only gave us one tank.

Very amusing.

We are still getting our own nukes though. Pakistan has 170 and their GDP is about half of ours, so we're getting around 400.

Probably you plan to use Mazovian Desert as test site?

I told you: we will buy some tropical desert islands from France or some snowy area behind the Arctic Circle from Russia, and do all the testing there.

Alternatively, the testing will be done in Pawian's vegetable garden (after evacuating Pawian first - let's be humane).

Here is a question for the Russia supporters here.

Lets suppose that the war ends with part of Ukraine independent, integrating with the west and using Baltic countries as a model of how to prosper. And part is occupied by Russia and become ruled by Putin. Is there ANYONE here who believes that the western regions of Ukraine would't become exponentially wealthier than the Eastern parts in less than a generation?

Don`t be silly - radiation can do shyt to me. I am already fully radiant with enthusiastic patriotism. hahaha
Now seriously: All for Poland, nothing for myself.

Or we can dispense with the testing altogether, like Israel.

Or we can get 800 nukes instead of 400, and when the sh*t hits the fan, we will fire two of them at each target (one of the two will surely go off, even without testing).

The possibilities are endless.


Finally something we agree upon.

After so many years!! Amasing! Torq, give me your beak!!!! hahahaha

Of course.... I saw a film of Narva (Estonian city mostly inhabited by ethnic russians) and the closest russian city and the difference was very clear.

but russians like suffering and living in poverty for the glory of the godking... so that might not make much of a difference...

Do you want me to count the Americans who live in poverty because the DC scum allowed the manufacturing jobs out and low-pay migrants in? A twofer that destroys everything and brings the US to the brink of insolvency...

Memo to morons: Before you press POST, think!!!

Why on earth would I? That's not the subject of the thread (unless it actually concerns American relations to russia or Ukraine).

Want to discuss crappy Biden policies? I'm game! Open a thread or find an appropriate thread....

Sh*t.... Did you ever visited Lithuania or Latvia? Few step out of capitals, filled with banks to borrow money and shops with imported goods to spend them? If empty villages with old people and kids (that its parents not yet ready to take to the west where he working at positions like garbage sorting or construction workers) is prosperity - I'm a world's famous ballet prima. ;)


Me. Because I know ukr. westerners quite well. They may do wonders at its own garden, but in two steps from their own land start to think how to fool someone and get something for free.

But most likely all who still can do heavy lifting will emigrate to western eu at once, and situation will be similar to what I seen in villages around Moletai in my last visit to LT.

To practice comparative criticism. Dumping on countries in absolute rather than relative terms makes no sense.
That's why good reporters avoid adjectives.

A Estonian can make in a single month makes more money than a Belarusian in a year. That is what matters. Productivity, purchasing power, safety, prosperity, freedom. Not megalomaniac desires of a bunker paranoiac manlet.

Can you suggest a percentage who CAN, in entire population? Especially in nearby Latvia.

I am so proud of me for having the wisdom to get the fvck out of Poland and away from people that post crap like this.

You must REALLY be proud of your accomplishment as many times as you have repeated it. 🥴

The US and the EU have been obsessive in insisting on Ukraine's innocence in the Crocus City Hall terrorist attack, to the point that such behavior is suspicious, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview published on Friday.

Good point, Sergey...How the hell do they know that Ukraine didn't? How does one prove the negative?

Simple. Because we said so. The West loves "freedom and democracy" so it must be trusted.

I read a lot about the fear of 'nukes' on this forum.
There are much worse fears than nukes as in an EMP attack or germ warfare.
An EMP attack for example would:

No electricity
A supply chain breakdown
No cars, trains or airplanes
All data lost on your computers and cell phones
Hospitals rely on electronics
Infrastructure breakdown
No cell phone or radios
No ATM or banking
No water or sewage pumps
No gasoline pumps
Loss of jobs
Economic collapse
No heating or cooling
Intruders looting
Medication shortage
No farm equipment to harvest food
Stock market crash
Empty grocery shelves

Things would get real nasty real quick.
I think I would choose the Nuke over an EMP or germ warfare.
(The only thing to fear, is fear itself.)

An EMP isn't worse than a nuclear holocaust however I suspect that some countries are woefully underprepared.

They can happen naturally and sooner or later one will.


Quality of life.

Some of the orcs who entered Ukraine had never seen a house with a toilet, never used a washing machine and had no idea what a dishwasher was for.

Hey genius, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica:

"EMP damage can occur at distances of tens, hundreds, or thousands of kilometres from a nuclear explosion, depending on the weapon yield and the altitude of the detonation."

Any non-nuclear EMP weapon, will be quite literally a million times weaker.

You live, you learn... but do keep telling us about how nukes are nothing to worry about.

We could test one on your neck of the woods in Michigan, and then you could tell us how EMP and germs are bigger concerns.

We must hope that each side will remain reasonable. Unfortunately, russia dropped the first thermobaric bomb on Ukraine yesterday. I wonder what the West's response will be...medium-range missiles with permission to attack russian territory? 🤔

A very good idea but let pawian be monkies are not endangered species, one less ape makes no diffirence.

@jon357


A problem Putin could have easily solved by now if he'd actually cared about his people. Or any other problem connected to Russia's third-world infrastructure (although calling it third world may do a disservice to actual third world countries).

That's something that in your country and in mine that we don't have to even think about.

Our health services may sometimes be creaking a bit, there continual arguments about transport infrastructure etc however when we complain, it's a case of complaining that the Rolls Royce is too slow.

For all their oil and gas, for all their huge land empire from the Baltic to the Pacific, they have a kleptocracy with rotten schooling primitive hospitals, very poor sanitation, villages with no running water and leaders who live in vast palaces with gold toilets, oligarchs with super yachts and of course, as always, Swiss bank accounts.

I'll take the decadent democratic west over that any time. I can see why Ukrainians want that too.

It's a bit like in that old joke: a communist comes back after a trip to the West and tells his colleagues, "Comrades, I saw it with my own eyes - the capitalism is dying. It is dying, comrades, but in very luxurious conditions!".

These days ordinary Russians don't even have communism or any other big noble idea to justify their hardships. Just a horde of gold toilet sh*tters robbing the country blind.

Yes, the always rotten and always decadent West seems like a better choice for ordinary people.

@jon357

Well said. In addition, we also don't accept huge structural differences between wealthy and poor regions of our countries. There are differences to be sure, but there is usual some sort of wealth transfer going on from richer to poorer regions to lessen the biggest problems. Not only because it usually better for the economy to avoid truly down-run regions, but also because we do not believe that living in e.g. Wales instead of London or Napoli instead of Milan or Chemnitz instead of Munich should mean that you should not have access to basic amenities.

Meanwhile in Russia the people in Moscow can enjoy a nice metro because they are exploiting the ressource-rich regions without leaving much if anything behind as compensation. Sending those poor people to die in Ukraine is just the logical conclusion behind this state of mind.