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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10


Crnogorac3 4 | 888
26 Mar 2024 #481
🧾 sally soccer mum playing war

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@rimaziuraitis
I am our mothers' savage daughter. I will not lower my voice. You can call me whatever you want. It doesn't change anything. You will not silence me.

As an American, I believe we should help defend freedom and democracy. It is the most pro-American thing we can do. We have the opportunity to help fight against evil and help Ukraine win against r*ssia. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Arm Ukraine now. Give it everything to win. Share if you agree.

What are we doing for Ukraine today my friends?

#Ukraine️
#USA
#ArmUkraineNow

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Alien 21 | 5,154
26 Mar 2024 #482
As an American, I believe we should help defend freedom and democracy

Bravo, here's a voice of reason.
jon357 74 | 22,204
26 Mar 2024 #483
We have the opportunity to help fight against evil and help Ukraine win against r*ssia. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Absolutely spot on.
Crnogorac3 4 | 888
26 Mar 2024 #484
^^^ "Golf Foxtrot Yankee" - "Go Fvck Yourself"

Wow, isn't she a total badass b!tch. Fine example of 'murrcan womanhood.

Ex-green negress, by all the standard cartoonish behavior she exibits. I hope the dumb wh0re comes back in a body bag that says "I Fvcked Myself" on it.
Alien 21 | 5,154
26 Mar 2024 #485
I hope the dumb wh0re comes back in a body bag

I hope not.
jon357 74 | 22,204
26 Mar 2024 #486
I hope the dumb wh0re comes back in a body bag

You fetishise torture and death don't you...

Perhaps the police should pay some attention to your activities (if you're ever off the internet that is)
cms neuf 1 | 1,828
26 Mar 2024 #487
The Udmurtians fetish about torture and revenge is showing why negotiations and surrender make no sense to your average Ukrainian. They behave like beasts and show why they must be defeated
Novichok 4 | 8,268
26 Mar 2024 #488
Memo to PF Heroes:

Please post the following: I am planning to go to Ukraine to fight for freedom and democracy in the next 6 months.

Feel free to copy and paste the bold sentence.

make no sense to your average Ukrainian.

I agree. That's why they decided to die za ojczyzne and to be in a movie. You can, too, you know...

Life would be so boring without Polish heroes, poets, and morons...
mafketis 37 | 10,972
26 Mar 2024 #489
Who were the men in blue at Crocus???

Very interesting.... explosive if true..... no, russian supporters don't care about the russian government killing russian civilians for political purposes

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1772690913854173434
Paulina 16 | 4,407
26 Mar 2024 #490
@mafketis, I don't think living in some town/neighbourhood makes one automatically an FSB agent, but that second guy does look similar... It is strange... But what would that mean? That FSB was behind the attack? Or knew about it and let it happen?

I think the comparison he was making was in how the US police is equiped in general.

Nope, he wasn't only comparing equipment.

They sent SOBR

From what I understand they also deal with counterterrorism... They seem to be like Polish counterterrorists who deal with organised crime and dangerous criminals on daily basis (since there aren't really terror attacks in Poland).

Seems an odd choice since that Alpha FSB group has helicopters and way more experienced.

I wouldn't call it an odd choice - SOBR should have helicopters too and be able to go down from them.

The helicopter pilot was prob too drunk to take off.

That's really one thing that I can't understand... Why didn't they use a helicopter to avoid the traffic? 🤔

Are RuSSian media putting this question forward and analysing this issue all? Bobko? Velund?
Paulina 16 | 4,407
26 Mar 2024 #491
analysing this issue all?

*at all
Bobko 25 | 2,166
26 Mar 2024 #492
Are RuSSian media putting this question forward and analysing this issue all? Bobko? Velund?

Yes, and a lot of what people are writing here is factually inaccurate. Even I believed what CMS Neuf wrote about "90" minutes...

Then I went and read for myself the original chronology, and it said the guys went in at 10:58 and left by something like 11:11. So less than 15 minutes within which those people died.

Still, everyone is asking why didn't the private security company that was on-site do anything? Aras Agalarov, the owner of Crocus, is one of the richest men in Russia and family friend of Donald Trump. Among other things, he owns a private security company, that had many armed men on location - but they didn't do anything.

Also, a lot of fire escapes and emergency doors were bolted shut. Thankfully some 15 year old kid from Kyrgyzstan that worked there, took people out along some detour route.

This billionaire is being criminally charged now.

Also, people are unhappy at the response time of the nearby police department.
Crnogorac3 4 | 888
26 Mar 2024 #493
Scott Ritter claims that the terrorist attack was planned for the election, but that the security measures were overwhelming. These are definitely the dumbest terrorists ever. They recorded everything, took pictures, even when they tried to escape to Ukraine. Several times I heard the thesis that these could not be real Islamic terrorists, because real Muslims don't kill for Ramadan or try to escape, but that their goal is to "become shahids." The perpetrators of this attack were not motivated by Islamism, but they reached these useful idiots through Islamist channels. The head of ISIL in Idlib, Chechen Abdulhakim Shishani, is currently fighting on the side of Ukraine, presumably for European values ​​like the rest of the Chechen caliphate kozojebi in emigration.

And it is really not to be underestimated the possibility that Russia will have problems with Chechnya again in the future. It is enough just to stop the delivery of Ferraris and Maseratis to Kadyrov and his cronies. But I doubt that they could become a serious threat to Russia. This time, the Russians would annihilate them.
Novichok 4 | 8,268
26 Mar 2024 #494
The attack was organized by Z. The reason: He doesn't have the balls to stop fighting so he wants Puitin to get seriously pis*ed, take Kiev, and be done with this torture.

A variant of suicide by cop...

Am I a genius...
cms neuf 1 | 1,828
26 Mar 2024 #495
90 minutes according to all reputable sources

Because of the traffic

Many died by fire, not by bullets - they could have been evacuated professionally

Why were the emergency exits locked ? That is crazy

The Udmurtians put up with this from their elected leaders?
Paulina 16 | 4,407
26 Mar 2024 #496
Yes, and a lot of what people are writing here is factually inaccurate.

Namely?

Even I believed what CMS Neuf wrote about "90" minutes...

Didn't it take SOBR that long to arrive at the site? And the explanation was that it was due to "heavy traffic"?

and it said the guys went in at 10:58 and left by something like 11:11. So less than 15 minutes within which those people died.

Even if that was the case, SOBR didn't know that, did they? Such units should arrive at the site as fast as possible. Are there any explanations coming from SOBR or whomever responsible why they didn't use a helicopter?

Still, everyone is asking why didn't the private security company that was on-site do anything?

Like what? Go against terrorists with automatic rifles?

aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/23/whos-to-blame-for-the-moscow-massacre-isil-ukraine-or-russia-itself

"Guards are the most ridiculed and underpaid people in Russia," the 51-year-old teacher of Russian language and literature at a public school told Al Jazeera. "And they do their work in the worst way possible."
Feniks - | 188
26 Mar 2024 #497
a lot of fire escapes and emergency doors were bolted shut.

No lessons learnt from the Kemerovo fire then.
Korvinus 3 | 539
26 Mar 2024 #498
The attack was organized by Z.

It's not easy for President Putin, he's fighting Ukraine, which is led by a guy who is at the same time nazi, islamist and jew.

A jew, a nazi, and islamist walk into a bar.
A bartender says: Hello, Mr. Zelenskiy
cms neuf 1 | 1,828
26 Mar 2024 #499
Or the Kazan mall fire

In both of the shopping mall, fires, safety permits have been given after bribes were paid.

Would make a good subject for one of Russell's videos, instead of him, just showing us around the dried fish.
jon357 74 | 22,204
26 Mar 2024 #500
Didn't it take SOBR that long to arrive at the site? And the explanation was that it was due to "heavy traffic"?

And of course they'd been warned by the U.K. and the U.S. that a terrorist attack in the city was imminent.

Yet they chose to sit back and do nothing.

Like the FSB's Moscow Apartment Bombings all over again.
Bobko 25 | 2,166
26 Mar 2024 #501
Namely?

Well, like the timing I pointed out. I didn't read about it myself, so trusted Neuf on that.

Now that I know, I understand why SOBR was not in a rush. By the time they were on the road, other people were already going into the mall, and the shooters were nowhere to be found.

In other words, there was no one left to shoot, and no one to protect.

What really drives people crazy is how those guys managed to slip hundreds of kilometers away before being stopped by an average traffic cop nearly by accident.

So the focus is not so much on special forces reaction time, but security guards, bolted doors, and incompetent communication between authorities that could not coordinate information from highway cameras and eyewitnesses.

safety permits have been given after bribes were paid.

Not necessarily related to bribes. Why pay a bribe to someone, in order to keep a door locked? Doors are normally locked because of frequent theft, vandalism, etc....

But there were more problems. The fire sprinklers did not work properly, many appear to be unconnected to any piping whatsoever (this is on the level of rumors still). The materials the roof insulation and other structural elements were made of was not up to whatever fireproofing standards (again, I'm no specialist, just telling you what I read on Russian telegram).

No lessons learnt from the Kemerovo fire then.

Yes precisely. Not as bad as in that case, but pretty criminal still.
Paulina 16 | 4,407
26 Mar 2024 #502
these could not be real Islamic terrorists, because real Muslims (...) or try to escape, but that their goal is to "become shahids." The perpetrators of this attack were not motivated by Islamism

Well, this is bullsh1t. For example, the perpetrators of "Charlie Hebdo" terror attack in France in 2015, who were members of al-Qaeda, fled after the shooting and were killed by GIGN after a manhunt two days later.

A jew, a nazi, and islamist walk into a bar.
A bartender says: Hello, Mr. Zelenskiy

lol
The fantasy of RuSSian propagandists has no limits :)))

like the timing I pointed out. (...) Now that I know, I understand why SOBR was not in a rush. By the time they were on the road (...) the shooters were nowhere to be found.

But from what I understand they didn't know the terrorists were out of the building already?

Is this true or not?:

reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/comments/1bmo3v2/russian_sobr_during_crocus_city_hall_terrorist/

"Once the #operator types and other first responders arrived they were surprised to find the policemen outside the building and without a clue of what was happening inside, so SOBR did not have any information on the threat, status of the fire, etc. The paramedics and firefighters were not allowed inside until it was considered clear, and because they didn't know how many shooters, it took ages to comb the building."
Feniks - | 188
26 Mar 2024 #503
there were more problems.

Due to high levels of corruption. Fire safety violations are common in Russia due to officials giving building permits in exchange for bribes.
Bobko 25 | 2,166
26 Mar 2024 #504
But from what I understand they didn't know the terrorists were out of the building already?

I mean, somebody must have been telling them over cell phone or radio that the shots have stopped, people are no longer running out, etc.

I actually don't know this.

Were they the first in the building? I read that normal people started going in almost immediately, and dragging people out in acts of everyday heroism. If SOBR knew normal people were going in and out of the building, maybe that was taken as a sign that the threat had moved elsewhere?

due to officials giving building permits in exchange for bribes.

Honestly I just don't understand such developers/landlords. What's the point of going to the trouble of bribing some guy that might be replaced next year, when you could just go and do a proper job for 1-5% of the total cost of your project (if that).

End of the day, don't you want people to be safe in the building you built, rather than having blood on your hands one day?

Such distorted risk-reward scenario.
mafketis 37 | 10,972
26 Mar 2024 #505
What's the point of going to the trouble of bribing some guy ...when you could just go and do a proper job for 1-5% of the total cost of your project

In a cynical and corrupt culture people dont' feel any satisfaction from honest interactions, only from cheating and cutting corners and evading rules (no matter how sensible).

The _perceived_ cost (no relation to real cost) of following rules and being honest is too high as is the _perceived_ gain of bribing and stealing and cutting corners.

How do you not know this?
cms neuf 1 | 1,828
26 Mar 2024 #506
It would be pretty weird not to get there as soon as possible - there might have been other attackers nearby, booby traps etc and surely helicopters and police cars are going to come in handy in a large incident.

It really is a failed state and it's evident that the rulers have nothing but contempt for the people

Thing is that until this week I didn't think that Udmurtia would ever do a Tianenmen style massacre of its citizens. After seeing this, I don't just think that is possible, I think that is likely, and that it will happen in some city this year, not necessarily Moscow.
mafketis 37 | 10,972
26 Mar 2024 #507
didn't think that Udmurtia would ever do a Tianenmen style massacre of its citizen

You think enough russians would rebel? They've had centuries of having independent judgement beaten out of them and apathetic submission beaten into them...

The non-ethnic russian citizens are another matter entirely.... especially if Z-inspired anti-immigrant sentiment starts taking hold....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1772611929883722212
Paulina 16 | 4,407
26 Mar 2024 #508
I mean, somebody must have been telling them over cell phone or radio that the shots have stopped, people are no longer running out, etc.

Based on one report that this Reddit guy I quoted read - when SOBR arrived at the site they had no idea what the situation is.

If SOBR knew normal people were going in and out of the building, maybe that was taken as a sign that the threat had moved elsewhere?

Are you serious? lol

I actually don't know this.

So you don't know anything besides how long the shooting lasted? But then why are you making up excuses if you don't really know what happened and why?

OK, so what is the official version in RuSSian media? Is there any chronological breakdown of what happened, who arrived when and what was done exactly?
Feniks - | 188
26 Mar 2024 #509
don't you want people to be safe in the building you built, rather than having blood on your hands one day?

Clearly not if someone is prepared to offer bribes to effectively bypass safety regulations. Sadly, in your country, lives are pretty much expendable.
cms neuf 1 | 1,828
26 Mar 2024 #510
Congratulations to Ukraine's footballers on reaching Euro 2024. Poland playing poorly but might still join them.

It might be a decade before Udmurtia's footballers are back in the competition - a shame as they have had many fine players over the years, especially their 1988 CCCP team (which was quite heavily Ukrainian now I think about it !)


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