Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

Ok - forget the Special Forces, surely you just needed 4 armed and trained policemen, they would have been a match for 4 amateurs.

You are telling me there are no armed security personnel in Moscow that could be spared to try and protect a theatre full of civilians ?

At Navalny's funeral and the election there were plenty of armed police around

How do I find myself in a position of defending my government's completely inept treatment of this terror incident?

Why did the cops in Uvalde, wait until all the kids were dead before going into the building?

From the press:

"In total, 376 law enforcement officers - a force larger than the garrison that defended the Alamo - descended upon the school in a chaotic, uncoordinated scene that lasted for more than an hour. The group was devoid of clear leadership, basic communications and sufficient urgency to take down the gunman, the report says."

Hundreds of grown men with assault rifles, stood by, while an 18 year old shooter with no experience went room to room shooting kids.

there's a difference between incompetence regalar police and what are supposed special forces..

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Once you signed on to support the invasion of Ukraine then you bought all russian state policy... you don't get to pick and choose....

Especially when they'd literally been warned a few days before that a terrorist attack in the capital was imminent.

It's like the Apartment Bombings all over again.

Fair enough...

TBH - there's no difference between Russian special forces and America's wildly militarized police. They are probably better equipped than our Spetznaz.

For gods sake, they drive mine resistant armored vehicles, with .50 cal machine guns mounted on top.

Actually, some Texas sheriff's department has probably better kit than SEAL Team 6 during most of their operations.

So what gives?

The cops in Uvalde have gone on trial and given their reasons. The base reason for the massacre is lax US gun laws. The police reaction was subject to intense scrutiny by politicians and the media.

But this is not a thread about the US. We are asking about the Moscow security forces lack of reaction.

Honestly doesn't it seem strange to the ordinary population that this failure occurred ?

Let's just say this, I'm not surprised they waited. If they had stormed, the children would have died anyway, but then they would have been responsible.

You think they're allowed to think that?


And apparently no security whatsoever at the venue... I would assume at the very least you'd want people who could make quick contact with special forces (and that special forces would in fact facilitate that).

Again my theory is the russian government took the warning seriously but decided to just let it happen so they could blame Ukraine... somehow....

Was it an invitation or a summons?

I think it is reason to fire everyone who pretend to be a police officer there, with lifetime prohibition to work in police.

Come fully equipped to a crime scene and wait until killer will kill everyone he can just to avoid reponsibility - it is beyong the edge of evil and good IMO.


Who cares?

And it should, because if he broke the rules of diplomacy, he will be kicked out of Poland.

He won't. Nor he should be kicked out.


it was a Soviet action and that is a fact, why do you insist on Soviet lies?

If they did, they learned it from us. See 9/11.
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Russia should grind them into pieces small enough for pigs to swallow and digest. Publicly.

I recall an incident when both Russians and Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by bad Muslim dudes.

The Americans were kept for years because America is nice and loves the rules of law.

The Russians were released very quickly because Russia kidnapped - OK, borrowed - one of them and started shipping him back in pieces. To his brother, if I am not mistaken...

In my next life, I want to be a Russian working for the FSB.

Well, when I read what you wrote I thought that they may as well do it in RuSSia because they'll get pissed and they may want to take revenge on RuSSians for torturing their "brothers" (it's just maybe next time they'll send a suicide bomber lol).

Didn't take them long to follow this train of thought:

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Whether they'll follow through with those threats - I guess we'll see...

But RuSSians seem to take it seriously this time:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/alarmy-bombowe-w-rosji-cos-sie-dzieje-setki-ewakuowanych-7009746201185152a


I didn't think you'd have such a bad opinion about RuSSian special forces lol


lol
Bobko, please... Enough of this bullsh1t :))


Well... That would depend on what those policemen were armed with and their training, imho. The terrorists had automatic rifles.

No proof Ukraine involved in Moscow terror attack - EU

There was no proof that Saddam had nukes but the US and its vassals killed thousands of Iraqis anyway.

If you don't know how America's police has come to resemble the military, that's your problem.

There is a literal river of surplus military kit being donated to these law enforcement agencies.

They're all fetishizing SWAT tactics, and every sizable police department now has a bunch of "Terminators" ready to go serve a warrant on some miserable crackhead.

Plate carriers, night vision, flashbang grenades, custom made assault rifles, and thousands of hours of training... sounds like Special Forces to me. Except they terrorize Americans instead of Iraqis, lol.

I have a suggestion. How about we fire at the Russian cruise missiles while they are still over Belarus? I think it's an elegant solution.

BTW, I know some local firefighter (those who work on real fires), and was told that few years ago a couple of California firefighters visited them while was here for vacations. Between other questions, a equipment was discussed. And he figured out that US firefighter from CA carry over $27000 just as basic wear, protective equipment (breathing apparatus and so on) and personal radio. And local fire departments is quite limited in choice of suppliers.


I think elegant answer to your elegant solution will be some hypersonic missile coming to a point where SAM attacking territory of Belarus was launched.

I do have some idea, but you're going too far with this, imho :))


And it happens that former military people go to serve in the US police. I know. Still, regular police isn't SWAT or special forces.


I guess the police in Uvalde didn't fetishise them enough lol :P

Why did it take 90 minutes to respond ?

So far we have 3 reasons

- because of Uvalde
- because of Iraq
- because of Anerican police being heavily armed

The Udmurtians obsession with America is so weird - I think it started when Khruschev saw the Taj Mahal house ?

"Everyone asks me. What to do? ... Should they be killed?" wrote Medvedev, currently deputy chair of the National Security Council, in a Telegram post on Monday.

"It should and will be done," he stressed, adding: "It is much more important to kill everyone involved. Everyone. Who paid, who sympathized, who helped. Kill them all."

Including families...This is the only language they understand,


Including tiny villages like Elizabeth, Illinois, population 700. I know because, as is my habit, I stopped at the police department to say hi and talk to the chief.

He gave me a tour and showed me a vehicle donated to the village by the US Army. It's never been used but it's there - to his annoyance and exasperation.

Russians do things they do to solidify their position as the Harkonnens of the setting.

Which was already quite secure since they have a deranged leader called Vladimir.

@Bobko
Under democrats, American citizens will become hostages to political movements. Defund the police, until the illegals keep killing people, then fund them and hire more. Nothing to see here though.

Russia fvcked up and ignored the warnings. People are dead. Civilians. And still some sick fvcks here think that somehow these people deserved it for living or being born in Russia. Thats true about as much as Poles deserved to die because they were just born here when the Nazis invaded. This forum never lets us down when it comes to double standards.

Since when are you such a huge admirer of Russian special forces?

What you in the West call Spetsnaz has a million meanings.

Spetsnaz is huge in Russia, with an enormous multitude of formations.

The Russian equivalent to Delta Force and SEAL Team 6 is called SSO. They are the elite, above all other forms of Spetsnaz.

But if you talk about army spetsnaz, that's thousands of guys with pretty normal training - only slightly above a normal grunt.

There is police spetsnaz.

FSB spetsnaz.

GRU spetsnaz.

And on, and on...

Wrong analogy. Poles weren't the country invading. Germany was. So you could only compare Russians to Germans.


Paulina generally is very interested in army, especially special forces.

WTF, why?

Never expected Paulina to tell me how awesome Spetsnaz is.

95%+ are normal guys. More physically fit, higher rank (by one rank usually), better pensions, etc... but still pretty normal.

I think Paulina is imagining elite of the elite, which is different.

It's like comparing an average Green Beret, or a Ranger, to somebody who belongs to a team of a dozen operators that goes and finds Bin Laden.

For what it's worth, Wikipedia tells me America has 70,000 "special operators".

Each and every single one of these guys is a John Rambo?

They are the elite who turned up blind drunk for a surprise attack on Kiev airport with no GPS and no ammo.

The elite who take 90 mins to reach a burning building "because of traffic"

I honestly do not understand what you want from me.

YES.

Russians are not happy.

What's your point?