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Are there interests that Poland share with Russia?


Crow 137 | 7,632
7 Apr 2010  #1
i am curious to found out are there any interests that Poland share with Russia? i mean, we all have interests in international stability, stability in the region, we all have fear from terrorism, etc, etc. So, i am curious about other, geo-strategic interests that Poland eventualy share with Russia.

what others here think?
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Apr 2010  #2
geo-strategic interests that Poland eventualy share with Russia.

Specifically with Russia (as opposed to some other state)?
OP Crow 137 | 7,632
7 Apr 2010  #3
No matter, opposed or not opposed. Simple, that Polish interests meets Russian interests, that are hand in hand with Russian interests. Those interests could be hand in hand with interests of third side also or could be opposed to interests of all the world if you want.

We spaak of vital geo-strategic interests, regional or wider. Eventualy, of course
AdamKadmon
7 Apr 2010  #4
As always it is difficult to understand current politics and politicians, but as far as I understand it, Poland wants Russo-German relations to be curtailed and made a subject to EU control and regulations. Thanks to EU support Russia is going to get more power, and as such enter into alliance with the Union, which in turn will be an important step for Europe and Russia in gaining more clout in international politics.
OP Crow 137 | 7,632
7 Apr 2010  #5
AdamKadmon

interesting and valuable oppinion but still, you didn`t answer to the essence of this thread
Ziemowit 12 | 3,509
7 Apr 2010  #6
Geo-strategic interests? I think we have economic ones, we buy their gas which they sell us, for example. But if we had any geo-strategic interests with Russia, they would immediately say to us: "Kuritsa nie ptitsa, Polsza nie zagranitsa", and as we don't want to form part of the Russian empire again, we would say "No, thank you".
jwojcie 2 | 763
7 Apr 2010  #7
On micro-regional level - all stuff about Krolewiec/Kaliningrad/Königsberg, like:
- free access to Pilawska Strait between Vistula Lagoon and Baltic Sea for Polish vessels
(it would be positive for Kaliningrad too from tourist bussiness point of view)
- faster and easier border passing - new road on Russians side (there is already new one on Polish side)
- broader cooperation regarding bussiness, transport and mediacal issues between Kaliningrad region and northern regions of Poland

unfortunately so far Kaliningrad is a hostage of big politics and Russian centralization of power, dragging down polish city of Elblag.

On macro level Russia and Poland are in first ten to each other in terms of trade.
OP Crow 137 | 7,632
7 Apr 2010  #8
Ziemowit

brate its also valuable oppinion but, you also failed to answer to the question of thread

On micro-regional level - all stuff about Krolewiec/Kaliningrad/Königsberg

well noticed.

Who knows maybe time show that Kaliningrad as independant or as part of Poland represent interest of both- of Poland and of Russia.

Without intention to provoke Germans of this forum, i would even go that far to underline that even possible Lusatia as independant or as part of Poland could be in interests, again, of Poland and of Russia. Maybe even in the interest of Germany but, its now too early to say that.

On macro level Russia and Poland are in first ten to each other in terms of trade.

yes? i am Serbian and it sound good to me
pgtx 29 | 3,159
7 Apr 2010  #9
Are there interests that Poland share with Russia?

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jwojcie 2 | 763
7 Apr 2010  #10
Who knows maybe time show that Kaliningrad as independant or as part of Poland represent interest of both- of Poland and of Russia.

This type of thinking certainly wouldn't help Kaliningrad Russians dealing with central Moscow gov. Also I don't think they want that. All they need is broader self-goverment maybe even close to autonomy. Right now almost every little detail has to be processed in Moscow which is big obstacle for any real local cooperation.
king polkacanon - | 57
7 Apr 2010  #11
Kaliningrad is a cool place.Germans wanted to buy it from Yeltzin but I prefer it like it is full of Russians.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,751
7 Apr 2010  #12
Germans wanted to buy it from Yeltzin

I seriously doubt this! Please provide a link!

I don't know of anybody who planned to buy that hole...
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Apr 2010  #13
Isn't that where Schröder is staying these days?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,751
7 Apr 2010  #14
I have no idea where he is actually...
Last I've heard was some weeks back during the scandal of the drunk driving of a protestant
church cleric woman, BILD tabloid said Schröder sat beside her in the car but he denied everything...of course...;)
AdamKadmon
7 Apr 2010  #15
Am 28. Mai 2008 wurde Schröder als korrespondierendes Mitglied der Abteilung für Gesellschaftswissenschaften in die Russische Akademie der Wissenschaften (RAN) gewählt.

It seems that he became scholar of a kind.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,751
7 Apr 2010  #16
Umm...he is more the life-loving, womanizer kind of man...not exactly the scholarly type, really not!

When not in Berlin, Schröder lives in Hanover.

Schröder's plans after leaving office as Chancellor and resigning his Bundestag seat include resuming his law practice in Berlin and writing a book.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
7 Apr 2010  #17
Ukraine may be an issue (in territorial matters but only if Ukraine lose all support from Poland)
AdamKadmon
7 Apr 2010  #18
Maybe it's beside the point, but do you know how many former German chancellors still live?
What do they do?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,751
7 Apr 2010  #19
Here is a list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_Chancellors_by_longevity

Of all our chancellors only Schmidt, Kohl, Schröder and Merkel are still alive...

They all attend talkshows sometimes still. Kohl just had a big birthday bash and Schmidt
still smokes totally ignoring all smoking bans (my hero!) ;)
And honestly I can imagine that Schröder was the reason for the protestant cleric woman getting drunk and yes he sat in her car! ;)
AdamKadmon
7 Apr 2010  #20
Bratwurst Boy

Helmut Schmidt flagrantly ignored laws for decades, that is defied smoking ban. He also said that George W. Bush's war in Iraq was a war of choice, not a war of necessity.

It seems that he is really a good guy.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,509
7 Apr 2010  #22
I don't know of anybody who planned to buy that hole...

If the Germans wanted to buy one, two or more islands of Greece recently, why shouldn't they want to buy the Kaliningradskaja Oblast from Russia?
Mr Grunwald 19 | 1,542
7 Apr 2010  #23
Kaliningradskaja Oblast from Russia?

Because everyone know it's just hole. Then only reason for Germany to buy it would be to get Prussia back to Germany. Nobody likes much the thinking of Germany + Prussia region

(some thinks it's the cause of world wars!) :)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,751
7 Apr 2010  #24
If the Germans wanted to buy one, two or more islands of Greece recently, why shouldn't they want to buy the Kaliningradskaja Oblast from Russia?

Erm....yeah...what could there be the differences between a nice, warm, sunny, empty greek island and a destroyed, ugly, poor hole full of Russians??? Hmmm.....

Then only reason for Germany to buy it would be to get Prussia back to Germany.

There would be again the question of a corridor....;)
Ziemowit 12 | 3,509
7 Apr 2010  #25
Erm....yeah...what could there be the differences between a nice, warm, sunny, empty greek island and a destroyed, ugly, hole full of Russians??? Hmmm.....

But the Americans bought Alaska of the Russian Empire in 1867, even before the discovery of gold deposits there, despite it not being a warm an sunny land, but a deserted hole full of Eskimo people and Indians! No prospects of gold digging in the Kaliningradskaja Oblast?
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,751
7 Apr 2010  #26
I don't think so...rather another black hole where german taxpayers money would vanish into...
convex 20 | 3,978
7 Apr 2010  #27
And of course the obligatory need for a corridor...
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,751
7 Apr 2010  #28
Yeah...if we buy it then only in a package with a corridor, so! ;)
OP Crow 137 | 7,632
7 Apr 2010  #29
What is with regional question such is Ukraine or what is with one internal Poland`s question such is Silesia?

Shall we say that both- Poland and Russia has interest that Ukraine exist as sovereign and independent state, within her current borders and military neutral on global military alliances?

or Shall we say that both- Poland and Russia has interest that Silesia stay withing Polish state?

What is with other important regional questions such is Byelorussia, for example. What are Polish-Russian interests regarding Byelorussia? Maybe, Poland`s and Russia`s interests overlap in positive sense here, too?
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Apr 2010  #30
Common interest? Yes, acknowledging that Obolon and Magnat, 2 of Ukraine's national beers, are a way of bridging gaps and burying hatchets around the table.


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