How will Poland be affected by WW3 which has now started

Please, do not repeat Russian propaganda.

Wake me up when US jets engage the Russian airforce and air defence.

And when US Sixth Fleet starts sinking the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

Then we can talk about Russia fighting US.


If Russia mobilizes and it doesn't cause riots or Russian generals marching on Moscow, they'd win the war against Ukraine for sure. But that's a big IF, and clearly Putin doesn't want to ask that question.

Much like how the Ottoman sultan was reluctant to call a jihad, because he was afraid nobody will show up and his prestige will disintegrate, so is Putin reluctant to call for total war. This is exactly what Lenin was hoping to see, the crowned heads of Europe calling for war and the people not showing up to fight. Now the man sitting in Lenin's chair is afraid to see it.

Well, The simple answer is - I don't know.
What is the guarantee that any other country will survive it? Including the US>?

@Korvinus
Give us your definition of a proxy war,
then when you get done tell us about your claim of Russian propaganda.

" Proxy wars are conflicts in which a third party intervenes indirectly in a pre-existing war in order to influence the strategic outcome in favour of its preferred faction"

oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199670840.001.0001/acref-9780199670840-e-1742#:~:text=Proxy wars are conflicts in,favour of its preferred faction.

Russia invaded Ukraine directly and the war would end if Russia ended the invasion. The military aid from NATO is to help in the defense of the sovereign territory of Ukraine. The war wouldnt stop if NATO suddenly stopped military aid, Ukraine would just be at a severe disadvantage

This is a war because of an invasion, its not a proxy war.

The war wouldn't start if NATO didn't slither up Russia's rear end...

A war would start if Mexico and Russia formed MRATO.

I will let you guess who would start it. Here is a clue... We started one in Iraq on just a rumor. That was enough to send 500,000 US troops there...Funny, wasn't it? An oops war...

Did not Russia say Pre War that if NATO put rockets on Ukraine's Eastern border that there would be consequences ?
And who's rocket systems were they ?

"Stop defending the baltics this is an act of aggression!!!1" -Russian ministry of peace

No its not a proxy war, proxy wars are what happened in Africa during the Cold War

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan wasnt a proxy war either by the same definition. The Mujahideen received aid from numerous countries because the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. The war in Ukraine will continue even if NATO stops supporting Ukraine because Ukraines are defending there country

The Ukrainians are not fighting the Russians because NATO is telling them to or just because they receiving military aid, they defending there country from an invasion. Thats not a proxy war

Iraq defended itself from an invasion Poland took part in. Poland's justification for invading Iraq was less compelling than Russia's is today.

It was. The West used Pakistanis and Arabs (like Bin Laden), to infiltrate Afghanistan and fight the Afghan and Soviet armies. They supplied them with Stinger missiles, ATGMs, communications equipment, intelligence, and money. They also trained and advised them.

In Vietnam, we did the same thing. We armed, advised, and supplied the Viet Cong.

It's a proxy war, when one of the sides does not put boots on the ground. Just because there are no American boots on the ground, does not mean the US is not a participant in this war.

Just want to say this is a very stupid thread.

Not surprising given the original poster.

Ahead of its time.

And Lenin was sent from Germany. So the Russian Civil War was a proxy war between Germany and Britain :D

Its not a stupid thread, it's just that a few posters have no idea what they are talking about which makes it seem stupid.

For instance this remark by a stupid poster:


I think this poster may not have been born yet when Nam took place, the Viet Cong were supplied by the NVA, not the United States.

(johnny lets out a little sigh of patience for the ignorant kids today))
Please stay on Topic of this thread

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I was thinking you were an American citizen living in New York.
I forgot that you are a Ruske.
Correction
Yes, Communist countries supplied the NVA who supplied the Viet Cong.
"WE" (the U.S.) supplied ARVN..
Glad we got that straight now please stay on topic.

The ultimate proxy war was the Angola/Namibia thing in the 80s.

In one corner a dictator supported by South Africa who in turn were armed by the US and weirdly China

In the other commies supported by Cuba who were armed with Udmurtian junk but won a significant battle. Sadly there are still many destitute veterans of this limping around Cuba as their main tactic was human wave.

Rubbish!
These are proxy wars that or may not lead to WW3..... we are not there yet..... loads could happen before we reach that point.


Nobody will use nukes..... they are a deterrent and everyone knows it will mean MAD!


WW3 has not started yet, until it is declared.Poland will be OK, the most powerful military powers in Europe are The UK and France but Poland is quickly catching up, in the next two years Poland will either equal or surpass The UK and France as a military power.

The main point is that the West needs too keep it's support of Ukraine.If Russia loses or at least get's a bloody nose,they will not rush into another war.

Either way it goes in Ukraine I think Russia would go for Georgia next and then Kazakhstan.

If Putin succeeds in Ukraine,Georgia and Kazakhstan he might feel emboldened to attack The Baltic States, which would lead to WW3,but he won't.....and so the threat of WW3 is just a view for extremists........ I still think we should all up our defence expenditure though.

Of course not.

The US is not going to have 600,000 dead soldiers again to avoid using nukes. It used nukes to prevent another 100,000 US deaths.
A real WW3 will be nuclear because WW2 was nuclear or will not happen...

The Angola/Namibia thing as you call it was the democratically elected government of a recently freed colonial country being attacked by one of the most repellent regimes the world has ever seen. Apartheid South Africa funded and supported by a plethora of NATO countries and Israel had their asses handed to them by the Angolan government supported by their Allies from the Caribbean. All credit to Cuba who fought the might of the West and knocked the bollocks out of the racist scum.

Kazakhstan is switching to the Chinese sphere, that's why it is openly defying Russia on many matters.
Chinks already declared support for independence and territorial integrity for Kazakhstan, so no Special Military Operations there anymore. I know, sucks to be Moscow these days.

Then it won't happen...... there are no winners in a nuclear war.

@Barney

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Great post!!!

What has to be said is that The UK and France alone could deal with a Russian invasion on Europe on their own, but Poland will be up to or even surpass their military strength in 2 years

And if there were an invasion of a NATO country by Russia,America would get involved too, because,economically, there is too much at stake for them too.

I don't think WW3 will happen because Russia will suffer too much in Ukraine but if it does, the Yanks will join in the war late as they have always done!

How communist and corrupt SA is less racist now? They are racist against whites but it is a fallen country and everyone is suffering, At least during the time of the Apartheid SA most people were better off.

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Is that topic about the possible invasion of Russia in Europe? I thought this was about WWIII.

By the way, nowadays there are all kinds of welfare and states or levels of escalations, it doesn't apply only to a classical military incursion.

Same in Nam, the Communist countries gave the gooks WW2 mortars and other junk weapons.
They were very effective with them, however.
They sure lit it up during the Tet offensive with that junk.


Of course it has, Iran has attacked U.S. soldiers which is an act of war.

Where were those US soldiers? In Virginia or Syria?

Quoting:

Of the 48 countries on the list, four contributed troops to the invasion force (the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland). An additional 37 countries provided some number of troops to support military operations after the invasion was complete.

48 countries was not WW3. Iran hitting US troops in Syria is WW3. Makes perfect sense...

Does it matter where they were ?
Iran ups the ante against US, proxies strike Iraq military base with ballistic missiles.
That is an act of war.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-ups-the-ante-against-us-proxies-strike-iraq-military-base-with-ballistic-missiles/ar-BB1h1wDF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=41783c70647c48cca74280f45b871cec&ei=11

Yes, it does. US soldiers in Syria are there illegally and can't complain when they get shot and killed.
US soldiers in Virginia are there legally and that is why nobody is trying to kill them. Duh!

Well duh, it was in Iraq, not Syria, genius.
Did you see this one about Germany predicting WW3 as soon as next year ?
World War 2 ended in 1945, and since then, the world has not seen another worldwide conflict of that magnitude.
However, things could change faster than we would like to believe.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-german-military-predicts-world-war-iii-as-soon-as-2025/ss-BB1h7DCZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=eee768dade154bf4b217c42b0cfdb501&ei=34

I mentioned Syria because the US base there was attacked, too.
Why are US troops in Iraq, not in Texas? Looking for WMDs or Saddam?