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Abortion still under control in Poland


dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
28 Jan 2021 #1,711
don't force me to deliver a child with disabilities, because you are so God-fearing.

You have every right to choose its your body and your life, Not every person here is a practicing catholic either.
Novichok 1 | 2,260
28 Jan 2021 #1,712
You have every right to choose its your body and your life,

I have no problem with that line of reasoning, but why is it applicable only to abortions?
My body, my decision as a legal standard would lead straight to hell and the abortion pros know it.
Hence, "woman's right to choose". Never "patient's right to choose". Even then, it's only about the "fetus", not her toes or ears.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,085
28 Jan 2021 #1,714
but why is it applicable only to abortions?

No not just abortions, you can have piercings tattoos even kill yourself with alcohol or just simply jump off a bridge.
cruisepatron 1 | 128
28 Jan 2021 #1,715
You have every right to choose its your body and your life, Not every person here is a practicing catholic either.

I believe this is due to demographic crisis.

"Poland, a nation with a population of more than 38 million, registered 357,400 births last year, the lowest number since 2005, and some 486,200 deaths from various causes, the highest number registered since the war. The overall data showed a population loss of some 129,000 people"
Ironside 50 | 10,944
29 Jan 2021 #1,716
And I hate the Catholic Church.

So you are Soviet not Polish, China or NK you should move there or anywhere really.

Not every Polish person is Catholic.

sure but not everyone get some sort of hysteria about children with some disability like you, or hate the RCC for some F up reason ...
LostSoul 3 | 84
29 Jan 2021 #1,717
Do you want any woman to bear those children??? Are you serious??? I would never do that in my entire life. Abortion even should be obligatory here. Google "chazaniÄ…tka" for more info.

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Strzelec35 21 | 1,273
29 Jan 2021 #1,718
I hate the catholic church too. i wish polish people didnt always try to be west and embrace those values like two face hypocrytical catholicism instead of the byzantine and cyryllic alphabet. catholics are the biggest hypocrytes. look wt their history and burning witches and ****. its one thing to believe in god and pray but why subscribe to their dogma?
cruisepatron 1 | 128
29 Jan 2021 #1,719
Government is like a company where the citizens are its employee. Nations interest will always come first.
Human Rights is valid only as long as it serves nations interest.
LostSoul 3 | 84
29 Jan 2021 #1,720
Government is like a company where the citizens are its employee

Then go ahead justifying North Korea like that.
cruisepatron 1 | 128
29 Jan 2021 #1,721
There is a bit of NK in every country... some are more, some are less..
pawian 176 | 14,885
13 Apr 2021 #1,722
Yes, I support anybody who fights for the right to their own choice. I am not as hypocritical as you, fascists scumbags, who publicly condemn abortion but practise it in the privacy of your families or partnerships. There have been multiple cases when a female admitted she was forced into abortion by her rightard partner.
Novichok 1 | 2,260
13 Apr 2021 #1,723
Learn English before post. Forced is not equal "I will leave you if you don't". Forced means tying her up (assault), forcibly taking her to an abortion clinic (kidnapping), and putting a gun to the abortionist's head (terrorism). Add them together and it's life with no parole in the US.

Nobody ever "forced" a woman to have an abortion in Poland. Only in an apologetic mind of a leftist.
Lenka 3 | 2,503
13 Apr 2021 #1,724
What about threatening? Would that count?
Novichok 1 | 2,260
13 Apr 2021 #1,725
Threatening what? If you don't eat dinner, I will not buy you ice cream. Is this a threat or a voluntary transaction? I will stay with you if you abort. Is this a threat or a transaction?
pawian 176 | 14,885
13 Apr 2021 #1,726
Learn English before post.

No, darling, my usage of force into abortion is fully correct, you are making up false theories again. Force doesn`t need to involve physical violence as you suggest, emotional pressure or blackmail is enough to talk about forcing.

Read the definition of force to learn how hopeless your silly comment was.
to make something happen or make someone do something difficult, unpleasant, or unusual, especially by threatening or not offering the possibility of choice:

Does it mean you don`t know how to use English properly?

Ha!

Nobody ever "forced" a woman to have an abortion in Poland.

No, you know nothing about Poland.
Read about forced abortion, Mr Smartarse. haha

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_abortion
Novichok 1 | 2,260
13 Apr 2021 #1,727
emotional pressure or blackmail is enough to talk about forcing.

That's chick talk. Force is force. Coercion is coercion. Persuasion is persuasion. Blackmail is blackmail. Nagging is nagging. Pleading is pleading. To name a few.

That's English and that's why we have those words so we don't have to lump any of the above into your chicky "forced". Show some refinement, Mr. English Teacher.

Boohoo, he forced me, boohoo... How did he force you? Boohoo, he said he would not marry me, boohoo...
Get real, sweetie...
pawian 176 | 14,885
13 Apr 2021 #1,728
Force is force. Coercion is coercion. Persuasion is persuasion

No, darling, you are talking like a primitive cyborg with basic AI now, while life and human relations are more complicated than that. You will notice it one day.
Novichok 1 | 2,260
13 Apr 2021 #1,729
relations are more complicated than that.

No. We make things more complicated to appease women and to explain their idiotic behavior. Like "lured" - a word introduced in stories where a woman gets into a car with a perfect stranger at 3 a.m. Why would she do something so idiotic? Simple. She was "lured". Always passive tense. Like in "forced" to abort. Sure.
pawian 176 | 14,885
13 Apr 2021 #1,730
where a woman gets into a car with a perfect stranger at 3 a.m.

Why are you so obsessed with those sick stories? You reiterate them everywhere here. What is wrong with you?
Novichok 1 | 2,260
13 Apr 2021 #1,731
What is wrong with you? Too shy to respond to my post as written and, instead, playing a psych doctor.
Women invent their own reality, lies, and expect pussified guys like you to be the enforcers. Hence, they are never responsible, and everything is somebody's fault.

I was careless and stupid and now I need to abort to go to work = I was forced to abort.
pawian 176 | 14,885
13 Apr 2021 #1,732
= I was forced to abort.

You shouldn`t be so inquisitive about reasons, it is women`s decision and choice.
Novichok 1 | 2,260
13 Apr 2021 #1,733
Bingo! Her decision. No force used.
Please remember this lesson: "I will marry you if you abort" is not "forced".
Ironside 50 | 10,944
14 Apr 2021 #1,734
it is women`s decision and choice.

No it is not. Time when it was her decision and her choice was before pregnancy...
You either are too dumb to understand why you advocating or you are a nasty little man.
Novichok 1 | 2,260
14 Apr 2021 #1,735
Time when it was her decision and her choice was before pregnancy...

I agree. Unless her physical health is at stake, the man who contributed his DNA should have a legal right to challenge her decision.
Lenka 3 | 2,503
14 Apr 2021 #1,736
should have a legal right to challenge her decision.

Sure, in two situations:
One when the same numbers of fathers will take care of their kids as mothers (especially disabled ones)
Two when there will be the possibility to transfer pregnancy .

And do you guys seriously think there is such a big amount of guys opposing their partners abortions? I know a women that was translating during abortions and most were doing it exactly because the father bailed and they didn't want to do it on their own.
pawian 176 | 14,885
14 Apr 2021 #1,737
One when the same numbers of fathers will take care of their kids as mothers (especially disabled ones)

Yes, very good one, those fascists forget or tend to ignore the fact that 90% fathers of disabled children leave the family and women are left on their own.

Two when there will be the possibility to transfer pregnancy .

Exactly. Let those fake machos give birth to kids! Let those losers go through what women do. I bet they would quickly opt out of the situation coz they are stinking cowards afraid of slightest pain. They are staunch forum warriors but they get hysterical when they cut their finger. I have seem tens of such big-mouthed pussies in my life.

I agree.

Whether you agree or not is unimportant. Women are fighting for their rights and they will get them sooner or later against all fascists and other rightards. .
Novichok 1 | 2,260
14 Apr 2021 #1,738
those fascists forget

I didn't know that "fascists" have anything to do with reproductive rights. Or is it the case of your mental diarrhea and an uncontrollable urge to use up your surplus of "fascists". How many do you have left?

BTW, did Poles turn to fascism while I have been gone? I thought that after the unhappy encounter with the Nazis, Poles would rather not see fascism in Poland again, and especially their main religion and church becoming a fascist organization. I need to catch on this subject.

I am going to google fascism and abortion rights.
mafketis 24 | 9,187
14 Apr 2021 #1,739
I didn't know that "fascists" have anything to do with reproductive rights

Authoritarian regimes whether left or right tend to take an interest in controlling reproduction and manipulating birth rates....

Usually it takes the form of blanket bans on abortion (Franquist Spain) because the state wants to increase the population. It often leads to awful unintended consequences (see communist Romania and abandoned children/orphans). Also see efforts in Iran and Turkey to raise collapsed birth rates.

Sometimes the goal is to limit population China's one child policy or just to act as a ritual humiliation of women (your beloved Soviet Union was a giant abortion mill and many women had multiple abortions).
Novichok 1 | 2,260
14 Apr 2021 #1,740
Other than China, abortion is an option, not a compulsion. Low birth rates can be a problem everywhere so I don't see how the need to sustain the tribe connects in any way with how oppressive the ruling class is. Even in the USSR nobody was forcing women to get pregnant or would punish them for it.


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