Abortion still under control in Poland

Exactly, hence the issue we have here today, totally out of touch with the people.

It's obvious that JK doesn't have the slightest connection with the priorities of voters under 50 or so.... I always say that ruling parties should be changed regularly (and heads of states should be changed every 10 years at most on average) for just that reason...

So many problems are caused by fossiled and alienated leaders from Putin to Xi to Erdogan to Merkel throw them out and bring in new people.

If you take a closer look will surely recognize him as a model democrat:

- in the USSR there was only one valid party to vote for that is Communists (Socialists)

- all the other political options, especially those on the right, were called "fascists"

- he also believed that capitalism is bad and provided substantial aid (especially in form of AK47 and RPG7) to third world countries :-)

Clearly, that's where the Western liberal democracy is heading.

Who doesn't care what the people think.


Were they really?


Nothing controversial or unusual about that...

fivefeetoffury.com/2015/01/22/stalin-championed-the-idea-that-all-of-his-political-opponents-should-be-dubbed-fascists/

You think that's a reliable source?

Hahaha.

Jaro's TV station however freely sprays the word around against any moderates who call out the PiSuarzy...

It's just a source. Check those facts in other sources to confirm it. I'm not going to do all the heavy lifting for you all the time.

Whatevers, but..... what possible relevance could this have to the situation of the PiS and Konfederacja horribly misreading public opinion and making the gaffe of the decade?

And a crap one.


You'd be unable.


Probably the biggest own-goal in (recent) Polish history.

The next protest (is it tomorrow?) is going to be massive.

True, he is a politician of older date and will never attract young voters. Past attempts to do so, like with an anti-fur law or tik-tok presence, were grotesque.


What exactly do you mean by that?


Let me quote a French XIX socialist Amand Bazar on that: "[to provide] each ability according to its merits"

Word is they were heavily pressuring for the TK to make a statement.... was this sabotage or ignorance?

Is Konfederacja in favor of the TK ruling?

(nb Polish legal language tends to be imprecise and unclear - it's possible to read almost anything into a document that's long enough....)

@mafketis a general opinion in Konfederacja is that the problem of a eugenic abortion and lethal defects of the fetus are two different things that should be treated separately.

Not only legal ,unfortunately.

From each according to their ability: to each according to their need is a fair philosophy.


It's in their interest to bring him down too...

In fairytales maybe, too bad it's never come close to being workable in real life....


especially legal (the problem is cultural and not linguistic though)

Yet.

Woman do have right to choose. In the nature of Slavic woman is to be free. Always. In all times.

Poland should calm and refuse fanatical dogma of the Vatican.

If continue like this Poland would betray Jagilonian and Piast path.

I just learned. Clero Nazi Catholic ustashe from Croatia support anti abortion laws in Poland and restriction of rights of Catholic and all other woman in Poland.

This is historical crossroad for Poland.

Not by Bosak it seems

"I know the last 978 times didn't work, but this time I'm _sure) I've got it!" -Some dead alchemist from the 13th century.....

Rather like capitalism...


It was tried once by the wrong people.


Without alchemy, we'd never have had science...

Which was that one time again?


Without the repeated failure of operationalizing Marxist thought we'd still be stuck in fantasizing about how great it would be...

Sadly it's never truly been done. Though it will.

Meanwhile, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and people have to go out on the streets protesting decisions made on their behalf.

Sure..

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Bravo. Second Punch.

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It's true though. Nobody ever anticipated that a pre-industrial society like Russia would bypass Socialism entirely and move to their own form of Communism. Much less, impose it on other pre-industrial societies like Poland.

And now we see an ignorant backlash, a regime voted for by villagers, one where women can't even have control over their own bodies.

Nevertheless, the direction that history has moved in has always in the scheme of things been away from the right and towards the left. Even Kaczyński's PiS introduced 500+, a Socialist move if ever there was one.

@jon357
It's based on a lie, it lies in human nature to climb the social ladder. Saying the ladder should be taken so that everyone can walk on it won't help if a chimney is blocking smoke coming out of the house. And if there will only be people tearing down ladders instead of making and using them then the house will burn down, I for one am not a pyromaniac and prefer peace and quiet while helping people instead of lynching mobs running wild looking for targets guided by intellectuals who are too smart to understand why we need boundaries. Pushing those boundaries to make a larger painting is quite different from throwing it in the fireplace.

One is progress, other is regress

Surely it was the advanced western countries that were on the road to communism by the 1970s or so (welfare states as in Scandinavia) and not a feudal monstrosity like Russia... which simply replaced the Tsar with the Party Leader (and now Putin).

The advent of neoliberalism put a stop to that (for good or ill). But neoliberalism has now long outlived any usefulness it might have once had...

It's a long long road, as Marx always said.


Agreed. What it may morph into is truly worrying.


A big part of Socialism is people being able to climb the ladder. By merit rather than inherited privilege and wealth earned by others.

Which ironically has never happened in an officially socialist country....

Via corruption and kissing the ass of the party lol.

Hopefully on Monday the government will begin work urgently to resolve the abortion issue,