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Abortion still under control in Poland


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Jun 2015 #841
give their futures away

The adoption alternative may be a better choice than a scrape job which can run into medical complicaitons not to mention often life-long psychological scars. This would also limit the test-tube baby and uterus-hire market, since many childless couples are looking to adopt.
Polsyr 6 | 769
28 Jun 2015 #842
scrape job which can run into medical complicaitons not to mention often life-long psychological scars

It can be that sad and traumatic only because bigoted idiots try to make it illegal, effectively forcing those that need it to do it behind closed doors.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
28 Jun 2015 #843
sad and traumatic

So, in your expert (?) opinion, in countries where scrape jobs on demand are legal, the women never suffers any medical complications, psychological trauma or other adverse effects. Since even a simple tonsilectomy can entail complications, abortions would be (in your view) the world's only 100% safe medical procedure?
InPolska 11 | 1,821
28 Jun 2015 #844
@Pol: of course, having an abortion is no "fun" and not like having a hair cut ;). However, when abortion is legal, women aborting are better taken care of, whether physically and psycholically whereas when it's not legal and done on the kitchen table by a NON doctor, the consequences are of course dramatic and can lead to death. This is common sense.

Since abortion has always existed and shall always exist, best it to do it in medical environment rather than on a kitchen table by a butcher.
Polsyr 6 | 769
28 Jun 2015 #845
women never suffers any medical complications

NEVER said that - don't put words in my mouth!

00% safe medical procedure

Also NEVER said that! Stop twisting my words, it is very juvenile.

As InPolska already said, when it is legal it is safer for the woman because she doesn't need to get it done on a kitchen table. You want to save lives? Start by saving the millions of women who are in need of abortions because their lives and well being matter too.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 Jun 2015 #846
Maybe they should clean up their act and stop sleeping around.
50%polish
29 Jun 2015 #847
Abortion is a eugenics expansion of population control through policy. This is soft policy but it works better than manufactured disease (AIDS/MRSA/EBOLA ect.... or war.

Think of all those Christians murdered in Russia during the rev of 1917 and in Poland in ww2. The 70 some million Native americans and 90 to 100 Black Slaves in North America.

One less Polish person (goyim?) to worry about, is what they think. That is of anyone who chooses around the world.

Just look up the infamous quotes of margaret sanger, the non touch murderer.

You laymen can make up and believe what ever definition you want, but you should do yourself a favor and try to think like the people that control you.

Electromagnetic energy is the new population control, better learn what this is all about for your family's sake.
jon357 66 | 17,040
29 Jun 2015 #848
margaret sanger

A remarkable woman. Very conservative by todays standards, especially her views on ethnicity but still a pioneer.

manufactured disease (AIDS/MRSA/EBOLA

None of these are 'manufactured diseases'.

population control

Abortion is about women deciding whether or not she wants to continue with a pregnancy. In Poland, people just go to a doctor who's brave enough to defy the law. That or hop on Ryanair.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
29 Jun 2015 #849
@Jon: no, when they cannot get it done in Poland (or don't want to do on their kitchen table), Polish girls go to the Czech Republic (close and "cheap"). There a lot of private clinics in the Czech Republic near the border with Poland and Polish girls go there for a few hours....

A lot of girls in Poland have had abortions. Pure hypocrisy!
jon357 66 | 17,040
29 Jun 2015 #850
There was that poor lady (her name's well enough known in PL) who has 3 or 4 kids already, had a serious eye disorder and was told that if she carried to term, she'd go blind. Birth control failed and she and her husband found they were expecting another child. She actually had to go to the European court - the state in Poland did't want her to terminate the pregnancy; they'd have preferred her to lose her sight. A very sad story.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
29 Jun 2015 #851
@Jon: I remember. Her name is Alicja Tysiac (= thousand, I no longer have Polish in my language bar). She is now with SLD and was running in the municipal election.

And as a woman, I "love" when law (not only in Poland but in a lot of places) says that abortion can be possible in case of ... rape. It would be some kind of a joke if topic was not so serious. How the h... can a woman prove she got raped? In most places, it is very difficult to prove rape and also a lot of women do not bother reporting because of police's and justice's attitude.

Once again, example of hypocrit bigotry!

In countries like Poland, women with no money and no connection shall continue risking their lives on their kitchen tables....
jon357 66 | 17,040
29 Jun 2015 #852
Yes, and those who can afford it or have connections will just get a doctor who'll do it discreetly or pop over the border. Sheer hypocrisy.
InPolska 11 | 1,821
29 Jun 2015 #853
@Jon: not to mention all the nuns and the women who got pregnant by priests!!!

All those bigots are pure hypocrits.
jon357 66 | 17,040
29 Jun 2015 #854
Absolutely. And the sad thing is the number of women who become ill or even die because they are denied access to a medical procedure that most of the rest of Europe has no problem with.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 Jun 2015 #855
They also have no problem murdering the old and infirm (who are needlessly occupying a hospital bed) and naturally giving it a fancy name -- euthanasia, But mention the death penatly for serial killers and other unreformable scum and they crap in their pants form outrage like the hypocrites they really are. Either life is sacred form conception to natural death or it isn't.
jon357 66 | 17,040
29 Jun 2015 #856
They also have no problem murdering the old and infirm

If anything, euthanasia is taking the decision into one's own hands. Nothing to object to there. The same with terminating a pregnancy. Evidently you prefer backstreet abortions.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 Jun 2015 #857
terminating a pregnancy.

Yeah, sure, freedom, equality, democracy -- the unborn infant is asked whether it wants to scraped out, sucked out with a suction device or first dismembered and removed piece by piece. LOL!
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,956
29 Jun 2015 #858
why on earth would you LOL at that?
it is not an infant, it is a clump of cells. Until a certain point - then I absolutely agree that it should not be terminated.

12 weeks something like that?
f stop 25 | 2,513
29 Jun 2015 #859
I can't help but wonder sometimes what the laws would be like if men were the ones getting pregnant. ;)

meme
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
29 Jun 2015 #860
LOL

The LOL is at the fools who try to play God and decide what type of killing is OK and which is not. All killing is wrong! And yet the pro-abortion and euthanasia dodos are all for gettng rid of crumbly old "bed blockers" (gotta free up some of those hosptial beds, you know) even if they haven't explicity requested it, as well as unwanted babies, but cringe when a cold-blooded serial killer is executed. Makes no sense and those voicing such views woudl be laughable if they were't so pathetic!!!
NocyMrok
30 Jun 2015 #861
The LOL

...is at those religious nutters claiming kids that got cystic fibrosis and are sentenced to live their short lives suffering constant, terrible pain (both mental and physical) along with their "bogu ducha winnym" parents, experience "the God's gift of love".
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
2 Apr 2016 #862
Merged: Protests in Poland against proposed changes to abortion laws

Tomorrow, Sunday 03/04, will see massive demonstrations all over Poland against the planned changes in the abortion law.

You can find more here - takdlakobiet.pl/aktualnosci/protest-against-a-complete-ban-on-abortions-in-poland/ - in short, the proposed law will effectively criminalise women, which is not currently the case. It will also have many other nasty consequences, and the law is supported by the leader of the government, who has also made it clear that "most, if not all members of the ruling party will vote in favour of the law".

Numerous cities in Poland will be protesting tomorrow against a legislative project completely banning abortions. Right now, abortion in Poland is illegal except in the following three cases: when the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest; when the life of the pregnant woman is in danger; or when the fetus is severely damaged. This is already one of the most restrictive abortion laws in Europe.

Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
2 Apr 2016 #863
Another "massive demonstrations" 99.99% of Poles haven't even heard about. Now I'm waiting for "massive demonstrations" of racing pigeons' owners.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
2 Apr 2016 #864
Poor Greggy. He seems to live in a world where it's considered "insignificant" that tens of thousands of people are on the streets every weekend.

Warsaw alone will have at least 10,000 in front of the Sejm.
jon357 66 | 17,040
2 Apr 2016 #865
Really Greggs? You know from all that way away that:

Another "massive demonstrations" 99.99% of Poles haven't even heard about.

Fascinating you think that only 0.01% of Poles (3853) have heard of tomorrow's rally in the capital. Hardly worth the TV companies doing a news service if only that many watch the box. And the televised studio discussion about it today can't have been very popular, can it...
Sparks11 - | 335
3 Apr 2016 #866
It's funny how many of the "men" on here are both anti-abortion i.e. telling women what to do yet are also anti-muslim because (among other things) they try to tell women what to do. Really, on this issue, the fellas should just keep out of it.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
3 Apr 2016 #867
Now I'm waiting for "massive demonstrations" of racing pigeons' owners.

Not funny at all, in this way they are creating news that in the following days are being miraculously transformed into 'facts' which in turn create illusion that 0,01% of Poles who partake in this circus are somehow representative of imaginary Polish opposition to the government. Without foreign founds those people wouldn't be able to bring to the streets more than three lame dogs.

Really, on this issue, the fellas should just keep out of it.

It would be even better if morons would have kept they traps firmly shut and would let people with brains sort it out between themselves. So what don't you pipe it down?
Lenka 3 | 2,566
3 Apr 2016 #868
Well, that will be interesting to see. Women already get ****** off. I didn' see a single positive comment about the new proposal on the most popular portals. Even gossip site like Pudelek reports this proposal and most comments I saw there and elsewhere is that priests went mad and should sort out their sh** and not get involved with this.

Some right-wing politicians are not too happy as well. Gowin (if I remember correctly) said that even though he's against abortion this new proposal will change Poland into unchristian country.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
3 Apr 2016 #869
Women already get ****** off.

Don't try to change it into men versus women contests because it is not.

Keep at Muhammed, you certainly seem to know best :)

What's that mangina?
Lenka 3 | 2,566
3 Apr 2016 #870
Don't try to change it into men versus women contests because it is not.

I don't as I have no reason to do so. However it's hard to deny that that law will affect women not men ergo women are more interested in it. Plenty of Buzz on social media as well. We'll see if the initiative will gather enough signatures...


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