New "Polish memorial" in Berlin

Because Germanics anyway cease to exist in the post-Covid world.

Frankia would be restored. Western Germany merges with France and Frankish Empire is restored. Other Germanic regions in Europe go either to Frankia either to the newly formed Central-European Union.

And yes, the French from Canada would move to Frankia once it is formed.

Yeah...but the reason for the separation stems back from the founding wars under Bismarck, he purposefully drove the Austrians out...it was kinda a civil war between the Prussian Kingdom and the Austrian Empire...for the soul of the new-to-be-build German Nation (non-catholic).

I told you...its complicated....


The French are not the Franks, Crowie!

The Franks who founded Frankia with one of the greatest kings in european history, Karl der Große aka Charlemagne, where a federation of germanic tribes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks

The French are mainly descendants of the Gauls (and later Romans)...two different people, separated by the Rhine...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaul

Nothing was too complicated in Yalta.

That's why Yalta isn't seen as a highlight...neither was Versailles...

But that is all history now...there won't be any wars in EU-Europe anymore!

Nothing to celebrate. The best paintings, lit, and music were inspired by wars. Remove all of that and what do you have left? Romeo and the chick?

That is well known. Personally, I believe that no crime against innocent people could be justified, but formally there is some difference by the War crime (those encouraged by govt or commandment policies) and an individual common crime. What is a principal difference whether was common crime committed against German citizens by Soviet soldiers or some immigrants? According to the international traditions we could talk about an individual responsibility in such case only. At the end of War Soviet govt had been forced to conscript criminals from the prisons and camps by promiseing freedom to them.

I'm still burned from the last ones, even as I personally haven't suffered. I think millions of European feel that way too...you too, I guess or you wouldn't continuously write such hateful posts about what you would do if you could.

So...the price for the next great painting ist to high for me. I take the chick!

I have to bow out here....'night all :)

The problem is with the definition of "innocent" and from what distance. Ten feet - it's a crime. 10,000 feet - it's just bombing for victory, even if the number of dead is 1000 times higher.

Back to the USSR...Until today, I cannot understand why the Soviets were so nice in Germany. They could have executed every SS-man, every Gestapo, and everybody in command who could have shown some mercy but didn't.

@Novichok


They were not nice.
They were typical Russians.
Inept and useless.
As usual.

This is a typical trait of a national Russian/Eastern Slavic character. A mercy to the defeated or captive enemies. A mercy to the foreigners in general. It is estimated that around 96% of German war prisoners were able to return back home from USSR. I think that in part it could be influenced by Orthodox Christianity. In the same time the Nazis starved to death and brutally killed around 3 millions of Soviet POWs. They simply didn't regard them as a humans, inspired by their ideology. They poisoned pieces of food and throwed it on the ground in dirt and enjoyed watching that starved people hungrily ate the food and died in sufferings. They killed people by expelled them naked in the winter or slowly killed them in cold water.

i agree with that why would anyone feel sorry for those Germans especially Polish fellow Slavs and victims and members or almost members half their country of the great patriotic war? guys is it pis? also why would Polish hate soviets like the nationalists on here who basically made them part of something bigger than themselves and their failed versilles dictate state?

youtu.be/T3aCdoHyb-8

Because that is exactly what set us apart from the Nazis, we cared for the injured German prisoners and non combatants.

The rules of engagement for a Polish soldier were clear and in line with the Geneva convention, The Polish army distinguished itself honourably on the battlefields of Europe, but sadly freedom was not to be.

lol Geneva convention give me a break. Nobody followed that in that war. if they followed it the ak wouldn't kill thousands of Ukrainian civilians or women and children just because they did it first. or the Jews to Germans or the bkuenpolice who escaped the ghetto instead of dealing them to Germans and hating armia ludowa for helping in the uprising (obviously some did not and took them in their ranks but according to Jewish survivors who wrote books like about zob or Jewish armed resistance fighters: many did just that). did Americans follow Geneva convention at Dachau?

It all emerged from West Francia/Frankia that merged with the Roman province of Germania (East Frankia). It is all anyway Roman melting pot created as a result of the Roman conquests (multiple genocides) and then cultural and linguistic impact on native European Sarmatians ie Slavs.

But, it all will be corrected soon in a post-Covid world. Essentially results of early Greek, Roman, and Turkish conquests will be annulled because proved to be fatal for mankind.

Without a doubt there were exceptions, that under huge mental strain (entering a death camp) rules were broken , but as a whole the allied armies honoured the soldiers code.

This is true, especially the Brits and ANZACs.

Principally both countries could settle it in the form of investments, so both countries profit from it. For example if Daimler Benz opens another factory in Poland why does it suppose to be a pure loss to Germany?

That is a good joke. Roughly 95% of the German prisoners taken in Stalingrad died, and from the approx. 3.3m German prisoners taken overall, only 2.2. returned. Now this is partly because many of them were already in bad condition, and the Soviets were starving themselves, thus making it understandable why so many died, but let us not make the Soviets better than they really were.

Well, if we count everyone who was taken prisoner from the very beginning of the War, I do not know. I think possibly those estimates were about those POWs in the final stage of the War or even after active stage of the War has ended already.

Like with so many other issues, in this case, too, there are no "both sides". There were the barbarians and their victims. As victims, the Soviets were morally entitled to take any action against the German subhumans they could think of.

According to my sense of morality and fairness, every single German who crossed the Soviet border with the orders to kill should have been executed when captured - with no exceptions and regardless if they committed "crimes against humanity" or not. That is why in my minority opinion, Germany should erect a monument of appreciation to Stalin and the Soviet Union for the gift of life given to those barbarians who were allowed to go back home alive.


None of them should have been allowed to return alive.

Then I hope you are not crying about American soldiers being killed and accept they should be executed as soon as captured?

Yeah...not to forget 9/11....what a victory for justice!

Iran should really nuke the US for all the wars they started....the US citizens truly deserve everything and more...

@Novichok
Why you think Germans have good relations with Slavs in general now compared to, let's say 200 years ago. One would think that Poles and Russians wouldn't leave a single German alive after what the NSDAP cooked up during the war. To the point of East-Prussia and most eastern populated provinces of Germans ran with the highest speed possible to escape the horde of the red army. Yet, Germans survived and even had a communist state.

I got a lot of ammunition to use against communists, Russians too. But treating Germans unfairly isn't one of them. Especially reading your text, sounds more fitting for to have been a member of NSDAP

Where this info is from, actually?

From pretty much any historical book about Stalingrad.

Wikipedia gives the following numbers.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union

According to this, 94,5% of German PoWs who were captured in Stalingrad died in captivity.

Strange that YOU said that. Don`t you know what bestial genocide German army committed from Poland, Belarus, Serbia, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Russia, etc and also tied hands to Serbs while Nazi-Croats formed even hybrid of death camps-lebensborn for Serbian children, in truth horror that even reich didn`t dare to try. What did you Germans think????? What you now think?

And Germany moved again and you dare to comment Soviets?

Seams you forgot yourself because you now have Poland in NATO, you think that ugly fact somehow protects you. Well, non in Poland is asked on many things and will be asked. Things change, you know.

I have suspicion that many Germans are still looking at all the Slavs from top to bottom and a lot of work has to be done yet to break down stereotypes an improve relations. This is why the past is still important.

@Tacitus

Or you maybe think how you have morbid friendship with Russia? Some sick influence on Russia? You think that, isn`t it? Well Russia will have to choose. Germany or Serbia. Can`t be both.


I am curious what is that power that can manipulate brain of a Germans, former Slavs, to hate those who remained Slavs. What are those sickening schemes? Who are those people? Are they even humans? They have to be convinced they are Gods.

It's not 'morbid friendship', it's realpolitik..

Whether it was all those pre-1871 individual German states as part of the Empire, whether it's Germany today or whether it's the difficult times caused by the unpleasant polities that exited between them, it's neither friendship with Russia or enmity with it.

Two large land-based polities separated by Poland and in times past, jostling for economic/military influence and mutually distrusting each other.

The time for wars and conflict are past, despite Putin's attempts to destabilise the EU and NATO, something that all member states and all outside observers are aware of.

Not anymore and not necessarily. Not in time of weapons of mass destruction. Geo-strategic penalties that Russia pays within Slavic world and globally are already much higher then any gain Russia could get from Germany on the other side. That same Germany makes Russia looks like a fool from Baltic to Balkan.

So, why is that realpolitik? And plus in era when Russia have strategic partnership with China? In a blink of an eye Russia can isolate Germany in any sense and then overrun it. You think Britain and the USA would enter global war because of Germany, you are wrong.


In past was different. Religion had enormous impact on people. Vatican played on Germany while Poland was entirely Catholic. Russia couldn`t trust to Poland and at the same time had to counter-balance general Vatican`s influence that inspired Drang Nach Osten. There was France, too, that had to be contained.

Same reasons why Russia entered alliance with Austria. Plus, Turks were player in Europe/Balkan that had to be tackled in any possible way.

Now is different time. But far from it time of conflict is past. Its naive to tell it.