New "Polish memorial" in Berlin

What is that purpose?


It's been "big and artificial" for over a thousand years and hasn't "imploded" yet, despite ups and downs that would severely challenge most societies..

Crow, I like you more and more. That "even Germans won't like Germany" was borderline brilliant.

What fascinates me is German stupidy.

After Stalingrad and D-Day, even German cats knew that the gig was up and that the only smart way to end this sordid show was to surrender to the Americans. Consistent with that, Germans should have assisted the Yanks every possible way to be first in Berlin - with booze and girls included. Instead, the morons fought tooth and nail to effectively let the "bad" Russians take the city. Now, how f***ing dumb was that!

A nation terrorized by one feeble mentally sick a-hole needed to engage in some major soul searching. Clearly, this didn't happen so, decades later, another a-hole, single-handedly, opened their borders to the flood of hostile aliens and, as before, they all nodded, if not smiled.

... pigs will fly.

Despite many crises Germany is still the EU's leader and an industrial powerhouse, which is a good thing for Poland as Polish and German economies are very closely intertwined. To wish ill to Germany is ultimately to wish ill to Poland.

Ill? I would say it's about a little bit of push, a pressure that Germany well deserved. On the other hand, every pressure on Germany from here will always be good for Poland what would in turn also be good for us here.

Germany is finally where needs to be. In the sphere of influence of Central European Slavs.

Even Russia admits it by enabling Balkan Stream that via Poland reaches Germany. See?


Yes, time is that we help them. They need guidance.

GefreiterKania

You still ask yourself how this functions? Let me help you more. One example. You pray Nord Stream never become reality and Germany continues to rely on Balkan Stream (Ukraine Stream anyway won't be functional soon due to age). In other words, you pray Serbs to have a bigger influence on Russia than Germany has.

There Poland becoming a significan partner for Germany and business blossom. At the same time, Poland becoming more important to the Vatican than Germany is and that is in turn good for Serbs. Balance.

It's all a bit sick when things come down to who can switch the gas off and who can't.

Not if it leads to balance and peace in Europe. Strings of influence must be well organized so all players have perspective.

@Crow
You mean 'serbia', which is not a player.

And who were Racowie? Who initiated the Golden Age in Poland and the era of Sarmatism, the Winged cavalry, and husaria?

Even in its weakest stage Serbia was a player, even during Ottoman occupation. Even then, Mitczkiewich`s dream to see Poland free went via Serbs. He knew Serbs are free, Poland is free. Britain feared Serbs to violate the established status quo in Europe if become independent and Germanics feared Serbs would cut their idea to share a border with Turks on Balkan. Russians knew independent Serbs would prevent their isolation. The Vatican knew no way they dominate Europe with independent Serbs in Europe.

In our time, well, just eat popcorn and watch us. We are climbing on the top.

Are they operating Nordstream?


Are they connected to the new Polish Memorial in (the staunchly Protestant) Berlin?

More discoveries are made in Russia of Nazi traces with chilling details. In one instance a large well was found in which the Nazis throwed Russian children. In another case a large excavation of a children was found without any violent death traces (like bullets or bayonets). An experts concluded that Nazis simply buried them alive.

So you are saying that the Russians were sympathetic when they shot 22000 polish officers in the back of the head in Katyn.

And now someone's wonder why Eastern Europe is a failed region. What is strange if the best have perished...

Are you for real???
The only parts of eastern europe that can be described as a failed region are Russia and Bellorussia......

Katyn of course was a mistake. A tragedy.

But just have in mind that the Soviet regime was equally cruel to ethnic Russians as to ethnic Poles. Really was. Stalin even wasn't ethnic Russian, not even Slavic. People were brainwashed. Still, ethnic Russians indeed were involved in crime and Russia must find a way to redeem itself to Poland for this.

Then also, when communicating, people from Poland and from Russia you need to admit the good things each of you have done and also be able to face your own mistakes thru history. For example, the good from the Soviets was to expel Nazis from Poland and the error was to stay in Poland.


Horror. What Germany can do to correct this and many similar things?

Can an atrocity of that magnitude be called "a mistake" by anybody truly sane?


Do you think that justifies it? The same filthy excuse is used by tankies to try to explain away the holodomor.

A mistake??
You blithering idiot...... how could they be so stupid as to kill so many, by mistake?
You have no answer, so don't even try......

Possibly some extensive economic cooperation with Eastern European countries? There could be a lot projects mutually beneficial. And improving relations in general. Investments, loans, etc...

Great idea. But I am not sure that the current Germany feels guilt for the past.
And why should they?
But your idea would benefit all, including Germany, so a good idea.

@Miloslaw
@jon357

Truth is that I have no words. And your stance isn't helpful. Truth must be said. But complete truth. You aren't honest in these talks.

I am the only one on this forum who at least tries to speak of things in their entirety. All others simply took their sides or decided not to tackle things.

Yes it must.
The Russians were murdering bastards.End of......

I wouldn't expect it to much. At least not regarding Eastern Europeans.

@Miloslaw

You aren't helpful.

You don't speak the truth. You cant talk of Katyn without speaking of Stalin the madman in the background and he REALLY killed much more Russians than Poles.

If you are honest, you would have to admit that the enormous crime was committed in Katyn and that there was no genocidal ideology behind it but madman Stalin who was not Russian but, YES, ethnic Russians were involved on the terrain. Now, how would Russians correct it, the question is now? See, I ask a question but I try to tell truth, at least a segment of it. By that, I don't add more sh** in the Polish-Russian relationship but helping. I don't close my eyes on the truth but helping exactly with the truth.

And how I know you aren't honest? Because you NEVER mentioned that German genocide on Poels and all western Slavs was inspired by Rome and Vatican. And the same that Vatican manipulated Poles to hate Russians for Vatican's own purpose. Not for the interests of Poles but Vatican and Germany. For Vatican and France.

You NEVER said that in one single move Gavrilo Princip did more for Poland than the Vatican in its whole history.

That is how you need to talk. From genesis. Or if you cant speak from genesis, simply don't speak.

Nothing else needs to be added or relativised.

An atrocity on that scale stands alone.

So, now we speak bluntly. Bottom line.

Do we now establish the same standards for everything that happened to Poland in history? What we put in books for little children in Poland?

We tell them Russians are evil. We don't explain to children what madness was communism and that western Europe penetrated communism to Russia and then Russians became Soviets convinced to speared world revolution? It mixed with traditional feelings of Polish-Russian antagonism that was fueled with hatred due to the interest of foreigners who with sword and fire introduced Christianity to all Slavs. Etc, etc, etc. Then happened Katyn. We don't say that to children?

Then, what we tell Polish children about Rome and Vatican? Do we have the same standards as we apply to Russia?

What do we tell them on Gavrilo Princip? Do we erect a monument to Gavrilo in Poland?

No.

So were the Americans in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
Would you like me to add up the body count caused by China, Russia, and the US since 1945?

@jon357 Your honesty is segmented.

And fortunately, such talk belongs to the past. People like me will write modern history books, not people like you.

Write what you like in an asylum.

Иди у курац

" Then, what we tell Polish children about Rome and Vatican? Do we have the same standards as we apply to Russia?"

the Vatican killed way more people like burning witches at the stake and the crusades and all than Russia did. it was Stalin who killed his people or those he perceived as enemy not Russia. plus us does the same or acted and continues to act similar look at their three strike laws how for no reason at all like someone stealing a pizza a hungry homeless person has to have life in prison in its gulags.

@Strzelec35

Thanks for your good contribution to this thread.

We do live in an informative era.


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