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So if Poland is apparently "97% Polish" according to official statistics, what is the other 3%?


Curious Cat UK
15 Nov 2020 #1
German, Ukrainian, Indian?
gumishu 11 | 5,493
15 Nov 2020 #2
Lithuanian, Belorusian and German - not counting the recent influx of Ukrainians of whom some live here permamently now
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,605
15 Nov 2020 #3
Ukranians, Georgians, Chechens, Vietnamese, Germans, Belarussians, Indians, and some E Asians and Westerners
Crow 139 | 8,372
15 Nov 2020 #5
But what Polish are those 97%? Polani, Kashubs, Lusatians, Lemki, etc?

Poland need to encourage diversity among Slavs of Poland. It would be better that way. When you force all Slavs of Poland to declare as Polish you only doing great service to Vatican. Because next step after you declare them as Polish is to insist majority of Polish is Catholic. That is how Vatican more easily control things and direct policy of Poland. Constantinople tried same to do to us Serbs but we gave it middle finger. Sure, Pope also tried same. We gave middle finger to him, too. See, no wonder they all hate us. But, price must be paid for every path one choose.

Force Sarmatisms in Poland, diversity among numerous Slavic kin tribes, as it was in time of Piasts and Jagilonians and after all since the beginning of time.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,605
15 Nov 2020 #6
Kashubs usually get counted as other, depens how they self-identify I guess...

It's mainly German professionals - engineers, factory managers, businessmen, etc. There's not that many though. I'm not a big fan of them personally, but better them than other nationalities.
Crow 139 | 8,372
15 Nov 2020 #7
There's not that many though.

But where are they then? What Poland have access to Baltic its Kashubs contribution. Where they disappeared? Obviously, those 97% is not accurate. Let us see real structure of it. Let us have democratic process in Poland where diversity is encouraged.

It's mainly German professionals - engineers, factory managers, businessmen, etc.

Why consider them Germans? They says that calling and general connection to Germans in Poland insulting them and forcing them to assimilate. Man, Germans committed enormous genocide on them.

When we are at it, do anybody knows some real data on Russians. Structure of Russians? Czechs, too? Other Slavs?

When I say structure, I mean, what are people really ethnically (lets say by local original mother language, groups of Slavic dialects) and what would they say they are in some for them `ideal` conditions.

I find this question very interesting.
Poloniusz 2 | 150
15 Nov 2020 #8
`ideal` conditions

"Ideal conditions" is divergence because one group always needs to dominate over others (often by force or threat of force) in order to hold it all together.

That's why Austro-Hungary, the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia all failed and shattered into multiple independent countries each with their own distinct ethnolinguistic characteristics.

The whole "melting pot" notion is a myth peddled by those who always prefer to live apart from it in their own private lives.
Crow 139 | 8,372
15 Nov 2020 #9
What you said here is that AH, SU and Yugoslavia represent failed experiments, while Poland shows sucess because managed to impose its domonance on others.

Not to say that you absolutely failed to mention role of foreign elements in dissolution or rather destruction of AH, SU and Yugoslavia. Its not that just internal elements rebbeled. In all those cases existed outside final push, no matter of which kind and no matter morally right or wrong.
Poloniusz 2 | 150
15 Nov 2020 #10
Poland has been a success but only during periods when it has been predominately homogenous - linguistically, culturally, religiously and ethnically.

As you know Poland's borders have expanded, contracted and shifted many times over the centuries.

Each of these eras of disruption were precipitated by a phase whereby Poland had become a heterogenous polyglot society.
pawian 175 | 13,542
15 Nov 2020 #11
Poland has been a success but only during periods when it has been predominately homogenous

Rubbish. Poland became a superpower in Eastern Europe when the society consisted of various ethnicities and a few denominations. It ceased to be a powerful country when conservatives took control and tried to introduce homogenity.
Poloniusz 2 | 150
15 Nov 2020 #12
Rubbish? So why weren't these various ethnicities and few denominations able defend Poland against successive waves of occupation from foreign powers resulting in the constant redrawing of her borders?

I'll tell you why, because diversity isn't a strength.
Crow 139 | 8,372
15 Nov 2020 #13
Poland has been a success but only during periods when it has been predominately homogenous

I disagree. It was Sarmatism that led to Golden Age of Poland. Sarmatism stimulated internal factor, sense of freedom in state, while also opened state to receive outside Balkan Serbian (Racow) influences. It all led to Golden age.

And what happened? Facing more barbarous western European societies and accepting more strict control and direct Vatican's influence, Poland was streched to its limits, moved to seek out fights for foreign intetests (crusade against Russians) , while at the same time tried to fight (against Turks) for its traditional wealth routes from Baltic to Balkan.

With time, Vatican prevailed and Poland started itd long era of servitude. Reward was internal homogenistion under Popes's cruciforma. In fact, that homogenisstion only served to strenghten presentse of Vatican and more control. Poland was turned global, while abandoned all those tiny internal differebces of past, diversity that made Poland truly great.

I'll tell you why, because diversity isn't a strength.

No, its not in Europe dominated by Vatican. Vatican had its own Interests and directed Poland that way. In that, there was no space for old inter - Slavic interests.

Not to say that Vatican always prefered Germanics.

See, silenced diversity hold Poland down and step by step moving it global.

But see, nany internal elements within Poland seek out more Serbian influence and Racowie are coming. We have our own business. Vatican, Germany and Russia have to accept that. With Russia we have a deal but other two are problem. Interestingly, even USA shows understanding. We Serbs needs free diversity from Baltic to Balkan so we can work. When free Slavs would choose new uniting factor and that is, of course awakening of Sarmatism. What else. Sarmatism is actually SUVERENISM suitable in our case.
gumishu 11 | 5,493
15 Nov 2020 #14
Germans with a german ID?

no Germans from Oppeln region

Germany born Germany in Poland are a tiny minority within a minority
Poloniusz 2 | 150
15 Nov 2020 #15
there was no space for old inter - Slavic interests

That could be said of Christianity in general whether it is centered around Rome or Constantinople.

Many Slavic traditions were watered down and conflated with Christian holidays or completely forgotten.

Even today, Christians and their church leaders (both Catholic and Orthodox) appeal to the scripture to allow millions of economic migrants into Europe. Serbia is a major transit route when it's not being a large holding pen for such migrants from Africa, the Middle East and Asia.

Indeed, it is not uncommon for Orthodox believers in Slavic countries to pray for and show solidarity with other Orthodox believers in Turkey and Ethiopia rather than their Slavic brethren across the street or in neighboring countries.
gumishu 11 | 5,493
15 Nov 2020 #16
Germany born Germany

Germany born Germans of course
ForumUser
15 Nov 2020 #17
The largest non-white demographic in Poland is Vietnamese (estimated 25,000 - 50,000 Vietnamese, out of estimated total population of Poland just under 40 million)
pawian 175 | 13,542
15 Nov 2020 #18
why weren't these various ethnicities and few denominations able defend Poland

Because that was the time when Polish conservatives, focused on homogenity, were too strong. They agreed to the termination of the Polish state as long as their interests were preserved by foreign powers.

I'll tell you why, because diversity isn't a strength.

Earlier, you praised the only time when Poland was really homogenous, namely communism. Thank you for proving our point that you are a commie fan.
mafketis 24 | 8,926
15 Nov 2020 #19
(estimated 25,000 - 50,000 Vietnamese

Probably more.... at its height in the 90s nobody had any real idea how many Vietnamese were in Poland (probably several times the official number). Considering their work ethic and how well they integrated (teachers like them because they worked hard and were respectful) it was kind of dumb to not regularize immigration, but Poland isn't as attractive a destination now I think.
Poloniusz 2 | 150
15 Nov 2020 #20
They agreed to the termination of the Polish state as long as their interests were preserved by foreign powers.

Communist revisionist lies from you as usual.

the only time when Poland was really homogenous, namely communism.

If that's the case then why did you start a thread in March 2019 titled "Why does Poland need racial diversity? Opinions"?

Even in the opening paragraphs you moaned with the racist declaration:"I am bored to death by having to deal with white race only."

Oh, and if you claim that Poland was homogenous during communism, then how could thousands of Jews have been purged following anti-communist protest in 1968? What were they doing there in the first place? Why didn't all of them leave? Why are they still there today?

Additionally, why did thousands of students from across Africa, the Middle East and Asia study and with some settling in Poland during the communist era?

Once again, as usual, your arguments are nothing but a tissue of lies.
Crow 139 | 8,372
15 Nov 2020 #21
It is not uncommon for Orthodox believers in Slavic countries... show solidarity with other Orthodox believers in Turkey and Ethiopia rather than their Slavic brethren.

You are here influenced by Polish - Russian antagonism.

Many Slavic traditions were watered down and conflated with Christian holidays or completely forgotten.

But Serbs still celebrate Slava, custum dedicated to ancestors.
pawian 175 | 13,542
15 Nov 2020 #22
then how could thousands of Jews have been purged following anti-communist protest in 1968?

13 thousand Poles of Jewish origin. Yes, Poles - they were fully integrated and assimilated. Compared to 3 million Jews who had lived in Poland before WW2. Do you know how to count? So work out the homogenity of the Polish society in reference to Jewish minority before and after WW2.

Key question: Why do you cease using intelligence while talking to me? Also, you constanty prove being haunted by historical ignorance. I already pointed to it several times.

Can you do sth with it? I feel disgusted with your multiple shortages.
Poloniusz 2 | 150
15 Nov 2020 #23
of Jewish origin

Yes, indeed.

Distinct. Separate. Different. Not Polish.

They know this.

The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478715/

And use it to screen out undesirables seeking to migrate to their so-called "homeland" too.

DNA Testing to 'Prove' Jewishness Is Spine-chilling

haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/dna-testing-to-prove-jewishness-is-spine-chilling-1.7772897

They readily admit it.



And even write songs about it.

I'm Not White, I'm Jewish by Matt Bar

youtu.be/p26xGXbam_w

Compared to 3 million Jews who had lived in Poland before WW2.

Wow! One moment you claim they are "Poles of Jewish origin" then a moment later they are "Jews who lived in Poland".

Either you don't know what you are talking about, or you sense that they have been suffering an identity crisis for centuries almost as bad as you have your whole life, or you are admitting they have refused to assimilate the whole time. So which is it?!

Why do you cease using intelligence while talking to me?

Because I know that in order to be effective in sending a message which can be understood it requires me to communicate at a lower level that will help you comprehend.

I'm just following the sage advice to never talk over the heads of your audience. So I just dumb things down as needed.

You're welcome.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,605
16 Nov 2020 #24
Jews only consider themselves white when they feel the need to teach us about white guilt and boo-hoo for black/brown people.

Jews are not Poles - never have been, never will be. They are two completely separate peoples.

Let us have democratic process in Poland where diversity is encouraged.

No thanks. Stats speak for themselves - most Poles don't want more diversity.
Crow 139 | 8,372
16 Nov 2020 #25
most Poles don't want more diversity.

Whats wrong with Kashubs, Lusatians, Lemki, Kursenieki, Masurians, etc. What would some Belorussians think if see how you speak? You want to assimilate them, too.

I just ask. Don`t get me wrong. You know that I speak from superb position of being member of last Sarmatian paternal tribe that still have a state. To me, its all the same. Its all mine.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,605
16 Nov 2020 #26
Well, for one Kashubs tend to side with Germany, not Poland. Assimilation is fine, but when there's too many to assimilate or they have dubious loyalties and act as a 5th column then it's a problem. I don't want Poland to have the kind of issues that Russia faces with Chechens and Dagestanis.
gumishu 11 | 5,493
16 Nov 2020 #27
Kashubs tend to side with Germany,

as far as I know that's not true
Crow 139 | 8,372
16 Nov 2020 #28
Well, for one Kashubs tend to side with Germany, not Poland.

Not truth. Its wrong to say that when they ``married`` the Baltic sea with Poland. Not to mention that Germans committed enormous genocide on them. Also, not to forget all their contribution to modern Poland and Serbia.

See, they called Serbian TV to visit them >>> They complaint but they are loyal to Poland. They speak loyally of Poland for TV, even when they speak of deep common Serbian past from Baltic top Balkan. They suffer under pressure of assimilation. Seams to me and to Serbian public that connecting them with Germans just represent tool for assimilation. People ask is that fate of all Serbs in Europe to extinct. We didn`t expect this in Poland to happen. Its unpleasant surprise. But now we know and we shall work on problem. Entire Europe would be reprimanded and Poland would then correct her path.

>>>> Kvadratura kruga: KaĊĦubi - poljski hazari >>>> youtube.com/watch?v=h8QCGg9MYRE
Crow 139 | 8,372
16 Nov 2020 #29
Its sad actually. Where Sarmatia had fallen, only misery remains.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 10,436
16 Nov 2020 #30
Where Sarmatia had fallen, only misery remains.

You can't possible know how a current Sarmatia would look like....only wishful thinking....

People are people, making misery out of the best ideas!


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