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Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash


OP pawian 224 | 24,484
1 Nov 2023 #811
A known journalist reminisces on the death of her husband, a gov security officer, in the air crash of 2010, in this poem:

"Time erases traces
the color of eyes, the touch of hands, the smell of skin
breathing in sleep, quiet, calm
distant

Shirts folded in a chest
air from the lungs in an inflatable toy
fading letters in the margins
Holy

Last message, a hint of a smile
a look met in the eyes of the son
a gesture repeated, although impossible
like a bridge

Over time
over life
over a stone.




OP pawian 224 | 24,484
15 Dec 2023 #812
The Smolensk subcommittee was liquidated.

The Ministry of Defense announced on Friday that the Smolensk subcommittee, headed by Antoni Macierewicz, is being liquidated. - Today, December 15, is the end of lies in the name of the Polish state. This is the end of spending hundreds of millions of zlotys on activities that have nothing to do with explaining the causes of the disaster, but have a lot to do with politics - said Cezary Tomczyk, deputy head of the Ministry of National Defence.

- The liquidation of the Smolensk commission is in progress. We have decided that the commission called the Antoni Macierewicz commission will cease to operate immediately. I would like to inform you that today all powers and authorizations of the subcommittee members and the chairman are withdrawn - said Cezary Tomczyk at a press conference.


The costs of their dubious research reached 30 million PLN. Let me remind you they were using sausages and Red Bull cans to try to prove the air crash was caused by an explosion.





Miloslaw 19 | 5,008
15 Dec 2023 #813
@pawian

But we all know the Russians did this......
mafketis 37 | 10,915
16 Dec 2023 #814
we all know the Russians did this..

We know no such thing. I absolutely believe russians could and would do such a thing but I've yet to see any convincing evidence that they did.. And don't forget, russians are bumblers who don't really know how to cover their tracks so if they had done it there would be a broad trail.....

Where is it?
Alien 20 | 5,060
16 Dec 2023 #815
absolutely believe russians could and would do such a thing but I've yet to see any convincing evidence that they did..

It is most likely that this accident is the result of gross disregard of air traffic rules applicable in civil aviation. Just as Diana's death is mainly the result of not wearing a seat belt, i.e. she disregarded traffic rules.
amiga500 4 | 1,541
16 Dec 2023 #816
Just as Diana's death is mainly the result of not wearing a seat belt

hahha your'e mad mate king charles had his ex-wife killed because she was pregnant with a muslim father. the royal family can't have that mate can it? btw have u drove through that tunnel in paris? I have. Why where all the cameras mysteriously turned off? need i go on? but yawn. also no autopsy.
jon357 74 | 22,060
16 Dec 2023 #817
had his ex-wife killed because she was pregnant with

He didn't and she wasn't.

all the cameras

In 1997?

The driver was as drunk as a skunk and the car was being chased at speed.

And yes, there was a post mortem.
amiga500 4 | 1,541
16 Dec 2023 #818
He didn't and she wasn't.

haha despite all your far left leanings you are an establishment pom after all.

In 1997?

Yes there was something called street cameras in 1997, or did u mistake the date with 1897?

post mortem.

King Charles expressly refused it. Princess Diana was embalmed and no worries, Bob's your Uncle.
cezarek - | 14
16 Dec 2023 #819
Yes there was something called street cameras in 1997

In that tunnel? There's hardly any in the centre of Warsaw now, let alone creaking Parisian infrastructure 25 years ago.

King Charles expressly refused

He has no authority in France. She was partially embalmed in Paris due to it being August. A post mortem was carried out by Dr Richard Shepherd who concluded that she died from a ruptured vein in her lungs. She was not pregnant and this was confirmed by doctors in two countries as well as the French police who conducted a blood test on forensic traces in the vehicle.

This is all in the public domain.
amiga500 4 | 1,541
16 Dec 2023 #820
In that tunnel?

do your research idiot, that paris CBD tunnel was full of cameras. lol what has warsaw got to do with it?>

was carried out by Dr Richard Shepherd

Does this Dr have any vague associations to MI5 or the SAS I wonder? hmmm
jon357 74 | 22,060
16 Dec 2023 #821
tunnel was full of cameras.

Not then

Dr have any vague associations

No
Miloslaw 19 | 5,008
16 Dec 2023 #822
We know no such thing.

Bollox!We all know this is how Russians operate.Eliminate your opponents by whatever means and the just lie afterwards.
Lenka 5 | 3,497
16 Dec 2023 #823
Eliminate your opponents by whatever means

The point is that Kaczyński was
1-president which means he had almost zero power
2-was about to get obliterated in the next election
Miloslaw 19 | 5,008
17 Dec 2023 #824
You are very naive Lenka. It did not matter to the Russians who they were.They just wanted to send a message to The Poles.

And that message was "Back off! or this will be what we do!"
Are you really Polish?Do you not understand Russian oppression?
Lenka 5 | 3,497
18 Dec 2023 #825
And that message was "Back off! or this will be what we do!"

Back off from what?
amiga500 4 | 1,541
18 Dec 2023 #826
The point is that Kaczyński was

The point is it wasin't just Kaczyński it was the whole polish elite on that side , even the real Solidarność leader Anna Walentynowicz, who rightfully called Walęsa aka Bolek a traitor.
Bobko 25 | 2,108
18 Dec 2023 #827
Back off from what?

Miloslaw must know something we don't know.

Perhaps Poland was just steps away from a brazen surprise attack on Russia?

Shocked at how we masterfully preempted their secret plan, and also impressed - the Poles wisely decide to roll back their plans.
Mr Grunwald 32 | 2,176
18 Dec 2023 #828
@Bobko
I honestly think it was due to incompetence and poor decision making in the moment. The price paid was too high, confidence too high and both sides unwilling to admit mistakes or fault while level of trust was and still is very low.

Polish society honestly was expecting some kind of invasion or military action. Since no military action was taken from Russias side, I bet it calmed down a lot of nerves that Russia wasn't opportunistic.

It quickly changed however after how things were handled, later on invasions and special operations made it become a lost opportunity to improve relations between Russia and Poland on national level.

I blame both Poland's and Russia's department of foreign affairs for that
Novichok 4 | 8,122
18 Dec 2023 #829
both sides unwilling to admit mistakes or fault while level of trust was and still is very low.

What mistakes were made by the Russian control tower?

The pilots were attempting to land at Smolensk North Airport - a former military airbase - in thick fog, with visibility reduced to about 500 metres (1,600 ft). The aircraft descended far below the normal approach path until it struck trees, rolled, inverted and crashed into the ground, coming to rest in a wooded area a short distance from the runway.[2]

Both the Russian and Polish official investigations found no technical faults with the aircraft, and concluded that the crew failed to conduct the approach in a safe manner in the given weather conditions. The Polish authorities found serious deficiencies in the organization and training of the Air Force unit involved, which was subsequently disbanded. Several high-ranking members of the Polish military resigned following pressure from politicians and the media.


There...Case closed.

Next time, hire an American airline and a Russian pilot, morons...
Bobko 25 | 2,108
18 Dec 2023 #830
@Novichok

Also a drunk guy came into the pilot's cabin and kept berating them, while they tried to land.
Novichok 4 | 8,122
18 Dec 2023 #831
a drunk guy came into the pilot's cabin and kept berating them,

How do you tell the president to STFU and sit down...Not easy...
Lenka 5 | 3,497
18 Dec 2023 #832
Polish society honestly was expecting some kind of invasion or military action.

No, it wasn't.

What mistakes were made by the Russian control tower?

Giving wrong visibility. Saying they are on the right course when they weren't...

Definitely it seems majority lies on the Polish side but Russians were incompetent.
Alien 20 | 5,060
18 Dec 2023 #833
@Lenka
The main mistake of the Russians was that they did not close the airport to civilian aircraft.
Novichok 4 | 8,122
18 Dec 2023 #834
One second after the 100 m altitude was reached, the TAWS alert "PULL UP" activated and continued to sound for the remainder of the flight. "PULL UP" activates only when the TAWS computer believes a collision with terrain is imminent. Thus, when "PULL UP" sounds, the crew is supposed to begin an immediate, maximum performance emergency climb (full power and angle of attack to the maximum permissible without stalling) and continue climbing until the warning stops.[33]

However, the crew continued the descent.

End of the story. FO off Russia.
Novichok 4 | 8,122
18 Dec 2023 #835
Giving wrong visibility

BS.

The crew used their second radio to contact the Yak-40 which had landed earlier, inquiring as to the weather conditions. The Yak-40 crew replied, "Well, generally it's absolute **** here," and that, "(we) were lucky to land at the last moment."

But, as we know so very well, being stubborn and brave are two great personal traits to be a pilot - in a Spitfire...
Miloslaw 19 | 5,008
18 Dec 2023 #836
You are all ignoring well known and well established Russian Modus Operandi.But I admit that I am ignoring Russian incompetence.
Novichok 4 | 8,122
18 Dec 2023 #837
You are all ignoring well known and well established Russian Modus Operandi

You are welcome to debate Wikipedia. I wasn't there.

What am I ignoring? The facts related to this accident are all well-known.
Miloslaw 19 | 5,008
19 Dec 2023 #838
What am I ignoring?

Well known Russian Modus Operandi..... you know, all those people who die of food poisoning or fall down stairs or most often fall out of windows in tall buildings.....it's laughable!
Novichok 4 | 8,122
20 Dec 2023 #839
What does that have to do with the accident in Smolensk?
amiga500 4 | 1,541
20 Dec 2023 #840
You are welcome to debate Wikipedia.

Wow this moron does not know that the political parts of wikipedia has been taken over by the US MIC, also atheist pro trans 'rationalists'. the extreme Irony is palatable.

Also a drunk guy came into the pilot's cabin and kept berating them, while they tried to land.

Propaganda lies parroted by one of our resident ruski scum.


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