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Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash


Oathbreaker 4 | 493
15 Jul 2021 #751
you cool down coz now you are too emotional.. :):)

I am cool, just don't make stuff up. Or I might start telling here on the forum that Ukrainian politicians aren't the only ones who one tried to poison.

Political rivalry is fine, but don't overstep certain boundaries. I detest murder, political assassinations belong in that category.

It's just hard to know the truth regarding Smolensk, as there obviously people trying to take out both the twins, behind the scenes.
Novichok 2 | 7,564
15 Jul 2021 #752
the truth regarding Smolensk,

The truth is that it was an accident caused by the pilot, not an onboard explosion, and there are records of who - the tower and the pilot - said what. End of the story.

The passengers and the remaining 7 billion people had nothing to do with it. If they did, we are back to my question of why insane people are allowed to fly planes in Poland.
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
15 Jul 2021 #753
The truth is that it was an accident caused by the pilot,

..... pressured on by the military and politicians on board who demanded to land against all odds so that PiS President group could arrive first at the Katyń Cemetery before their rival Tusk delegation appeared there. Simple.
Novichok 2 | 7,564
15 Jul 2021 #754
That proves my point that Poles are nuts or you are lying. Let's assume that he was "pressured". A simple, NO!!! and nobody dies.
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
15 Jul 2021 #755
That proves my point that Poles are nuts

No, rightards are nuts coz they believe they are under special protection of the Heaven. Smoleńsk air crash proved them terribly wrong.

Let's assume that he was "pressured".

It means you know little about the crash in fact. Sorry, my mistake - I thought I was talking to an oriented person.

A simple, NO!!!

You don`t know that some pilots had said no to rightist politicians before and they had huge problems afterwards.
Novichok 2 | 7,564
15 Jul 2021 #756
Name one pilot and one rightist politician who told that pilot to ignore the tower or the rules - other than the moron who crashed in Smolensk. I am waiting...

Polish fly planes like they drive cars.

We are talking about a commercial or military pilot who was flying a plane full of Polish VIPs in a foreign country in bad weather. That pilot would rather expose all aboard to the risk of dying than say, sorry, but I shouldn't be landing here. Not in this weather. Somebody in this story is insane.

In the US, the pilot is king, and no a-hole with a title can order, intimidate, cajole, persuade, push, demand, or convince him to risk lives to please said a-hole.

I will never fly LOT. Poles are nuts.
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
15 Jul 2021 #757
I am waiting...

Be patient, then, coz I am in too good a mood to look it up for you, :):):)#$E#:)%R:$)%

Somebody in this story is insane.

Yes, PiS politicians who pressed on the pilots who yielded under the pressure.
Novichok 2 | 7,564
15 Jul 2021 #758
Then he was the one responsible for the outcome. Even if somebody put a gun to his head...the correct answer is, no.
Hey, genius, a plane has only one pilot. That's the guy that operates it.
Cargo pants 3 | 1,192
15 Jul 2021 #759
hey A hole nowadays there are always 2 and the pilot always operates with CO PILOT,L E A R N Flying.
Novichok 2 | 7,564
15 Jul 2021 #760
No, you idiot, there is only one person who operates the plane at any given moment. We call him a pilot. The co-pilot is sitting next to him as a backup, moron.
Crow 160 | 10,992
15 Jul 2021 #761
EU killed Lech Kaczinsky. Not NATO. EU. Mark my words.
amiga500 3 | 1,508
16 Jul 2021 #762
PiS President group could arrive first at the Katyń Cemetery before their rival Tusk delegation appeared there. Simple.

As you well know, despite continuing your soviet traitor lies, Tusk and his delegation held their official ceremony with the Russians THREE DAYS before Kacynski was due to arrive. Stop your incessant lying.

Your furious reaction only proves that you know

And if one of the parents of your former school accused you of molesting their child, would your furious reaction prove you were a pedophile? Maybe if you weren't such a soviet traitor and anti polish scum you would not provoke such a reaction amongst this forums readership to your constant lying and propaganda.
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
16 Jul 2021 #763
would your furious reaction prove

Why furious, darling? Stop judging me by your standards. I would simply sue them in cold blood and demand huge compensation. . Isn`t it simple? :):)

So, you constantly get into tantrum when we discuss certain topics. We must touch a soft spot in you. Do you possess Point G in your brain? buhahahaha

before Kacynski was due to arrive.

So why were they so pressed to land there at any cost and against all odds?
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
13 Sep 2022 #764
The lies of PiS concerning Smoleńsk air crash were finally and ultimately debunked yesterday by an investigation reporter in his TV programme. The plane crashed into a tree, lost its wing and then ploughed into the ground. There was no explosion, noi assassination, no plot to kill the Polish Presiddent. They all got killed coz Chairman Kaczyński ordered his later deseased brother to land in the fog at any cost..

Rightards have been abusing the truth for over a decade now - they created a myth and even a new religion based on the air crash - decent and intelligent people have always known those myths are completely false.

The rightard comittee investigating the cause has wasted a lot of money. How much did each of their lies cost????

notesfrompoland.com/2022/09/13/government-committee-investigating-smolensk-crash-ignored-findings-of-us-lab-report-finds/
The government committee investigating the 2010 Smoleńsk plane crash - in which President Lech Kaczyński and dozens of other high-ranking officials were killed - deliberately ignored or misrepresented findings that it had commissioned from a US laboratory, according to a new report.

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/report-polish-team-info-crash-killed-leader-89809312

Housed within the Defense Ministry, the team reexamining the 2010 plane crash has spent some 30 million zlotys ($6.5 million) on its investigation.

npr.com.ng/tvn-about-the-catastrophe-in-smolensk-statement-by-the-macierewicz-subcommittee-lies-and-manipulations-more-breaking-news/
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
13 Sep 2022 #765
decent and intelligent people have always known those myths are completely false.

Apparently everyone knew that Antoni Macierewicz cynically uses the Smolensk catastrophe to build the political myth of PiS and discredit the main opponent, i.e. the Civic Platform, but thanks to secret deliberations, and even the completely mysterious composition of the Smolensk commission, it was difficult to say for sure. Thanks to the painstaking work of Piotr Świerczek, a TVN 24 journalist, the thesis about the falsification of materials collected by investigators and experts under the former PiS minister of defense has been confirmed.

Documents and photos obtained from the American NIAR institute and three other expert reports contained information and analysis that did not allow for making the theses about an attack or a bomb explosion. On the contrary - they show a completely different picture. Uncomfortable for the Macierewicz committee. And if the facts contradict the thesis, so much the worse for the facts ... The committee hid materials, which it first made available to experts, in order to continue to wreak havoc and spread the theses about the conspiracy.

they created a myth and even a new religion based on the air crash

It can be said that Antoni Macierewicz, who for years has had the opinion of the most staunch myth-maker in PiS, sacrificed the truth on the altar of the good of the party by building the Smolensk religion. And he himself has worked hard to ensure that fanatical conspiracy theorists have something to feed their rabid minds with.

The rightard comittee investigating the cause has wasted a lot of money.

The work of the committee consumed 30 million PLN from public funds over six years. And as calculated by Radio Zet, only from April 11, 2022, when its end was announced, until August it cost taxpayers 541 thousand. zloty. Even though it should no longer be operational at this time.

Conclusion:
Rightards, at least on Poland, are stinking liars coz such is their fekking nature - they can`t live without lying. That is one of the reasons I reject rightards as a decent, intelligent, honest, patriotic Pole. Down with liars, conmen, cheaters from PiS!!!
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
13 Sep 2022 #766
only from April 11, 2022, when its end was announced, until August it cost taxpayers 541 thousand. zloty.

It seems the current opposition is fully intent on squeezing this money out of those rightard conmen after the elections. They will have to give back the last penny!!!

And Macierewicz will be sued for embezzlement. Excellent!

they created a myth

Noble Smolensk Myth turned out Ignoble Smolensk Lie.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,817
13 Sep 2022 #767
Apparently everyone knew that Antoni Macierewicz cynically uses

Evidentlly everyone but very dumb people like you. You must be really shocked posting here and posting like a pscho.
OP pawian 194 | 19,809
13 Sep 2022 #768
posting here and posting

Stop stuttering. I know you received a major blow with those shattering facts but try to keep control.
gumishu 12 | 6,084
14 Sep 2022 #769
niezalezna.pl/457372-TYLKO-U-NAS-Nowe-smolenskie-klamstwa-TVN-Na-czym-polegala-glowna-manipulacja-stacji
jon357 71 | 21,003
14 Sep 2022 #770
niezalezna.

Cretinous propaganda.

The name is the opposite of reality.
amiga500 3 | 1,508
14 Sep 2022 #771
How about play the ball and not the man? what do u challenge in the neizalezna article? I mean i could go on about tvn and it's shady past instead of the substance of the article, but why bother?
Kashub1410 4 | 456
14 Sep 2022 #772
@jon357
Not so sure about that, I remember all major media stations covering president Komorowski being at a buildingsite to announce the start of building the project.

A YouTube video showed the following aftermath that was cut out of footage from ALL media that it was just for show and the vehicles from building construction was driving away after the "photo" session was completed.

So I wouldn't dismiss it so fast if I were you. Regardless of it being TVP, TVN, Republika or any media really
jon357 71 | 21,003
14 Sep 2022 #773
it was just for show and the vehicles from building construction was driving away after the "photo" session was completed.

What's wrong with that? It was a Photo Op; that's how they work.

Did you think that when Jaro turns up for a Photo Op at a hospital that he goes and give the patients enemas?
Kashub1410 4 | 456
14 Sep 2022 #774
@jon357
It's what most people think watching that stuff, then people are surprised that populists gains control of the government
jon357 71 | 21,003
14 Sep 2022 #775
populists

The only real populists there in current Polish political life (apart from that odious has-been Korwin-Mikke) are in PiS who are not actually very popular at all now. Fortunately there aren't any more, no Orban, no Le Pen, no trumpet.

watching that stuff

Yes, very much so. People are easily played by the right-wing media and its proprietors, even more easily by youtubers and 'alternative' media that are all but alternative.



Kashub1410 4 | 456
14 Sep 2022 #776
@jon357
Korwin-Mikke isn't a populist LOL
He a cotradiction to a populist, he doesn't give a damn what people think of. As long he gets publicity, he supports useally things and behaves in a manner that is unpopular!

Populists support things that most people want, despite it being bad for the country in the long run while being fully aware of it! As long as they become the government with enough voters! PiS sure are such a party! But Mikke?! LOL

Regarding alternative, it sure was and still is an alternative to all the BS spewed by mainstream media just to make people feel better about themselves. I feel just fine already, thank you very much.

I prefer reliable information, not skewed narratives, hate or combat focused rhetoric.
jon357 71 | 21,003
14 Sep 2022 #777
Korwin-Mikke isn't a populist

That's all he is. Nothing else. He plays to an audience.

Populists support things that most people want,

In fact they generally don't. They support things that a mob will respond to.

Regarding alternative, it sure was and still is an alternative

Who do you think sponsors so much 'alternative' media and what makes 'mainstream' media mainstream?
mafketis 34 | 12,459
14 Sep 2022 #778
He plays to an audience.

All politicians play to audiences... K-M isn't a populist because as Kashub1410 says, populism = advocating for things many or most people want. Calling them a mob becasue you disagree is a child's rhetorical trick....) I don't agree with all majority opinions (far from it) but appealing to them is part of politics in a democracy.

Hardly anyone in Poland wants what K-M is selling (monarch? subjugation by russia? no voting rights for women?) he's a fringe figure who strikes most people as being mentally ill - the one time I saw him in person at the Bambino milk bar on Krucza his body language and general demeanor suggested some form of schizophrenia (not quite the word I want but close enough, something diagnosable by the appropriate specialist)
jon357 71 | 21,003
14 Sep 2022 #779
All politicians play to audiences.

Some (like J K-M) only do that. All his bluster about the death penalty and some of his dog whistle stuff is intended to whip up those (and yes, mob is a fair term) who like the lowest common denominator.

Hardly anyone in Poland wants what K-M is selling

Quite, which is why I referred to him correctly as a has-been. Back in the day, he had a fairly unpleasant core following however fortunately it didn't work. he never had the broad media support necessary to succeed in his populism.

Lepper wa another populist however fortunately he's long gome.

I saw him in person at the Bambino milk bar

I know it well; a nice one and modernised now; big queues though. Prasowy was always quieter. I've played bridge with him and concur that there's something not quite right.
Kashub1410 4 | 456
14 Sep 2022 #780
@jon357
Seems like your mixing populism with attention seeking


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