Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash

Is it the same Laboratory that found the WMD's under Saddam's bed?

After the crash some PiS guys decided to progress their careers with the help of Smoleńsk lie. Kaczyński believed them for many years but it seems he has finally seen through their trickstery and decided to give up.

I don't think he believed them for a second, he was riding that train as long and hard as he could (probably to soothe his own conscience....)

You suggest he was so cynical, despite the fact it concerned his twin brother?

Yes. He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election, and the seeds of the "Smolenskisation" policy were sowed in the hatred seen outside the Presidential palace in 2010. They had no chance in the 2011 election, but you can see how Kaczyński started really pushing the Smolensk myth after his defeat in the election.

His ability to 'care' and then not care about Smolensk is quite extraordinary, and I think you could see that he hated Obywatele RP for 'wrecking' the cult-like monthly appearances.

If Kaczyński really cared, he would have immediately opened up all the files to international experts, and made a high profile public commission with the research publicly available. However, it wouldn't have suited him politically to do so.

I think he was also filled with guilt, I think that whole misbegotten adventure (second Katyn memorial) was his idea in the first place and it was either blame other people or hate himself for causing his brother's death... I don't blame him for choosing the first option but I do blame those foolish enough to go along with it...

There are so many rumours about his role in the whole thing that I suspect that he deliberately wants to avoid anything going near a courtroom or the State Tribunal for that reason. I do think though, that he understood Polish society perfectly in that you don't need to win all the votes, you just need to have a solid amount of 'believers' and that the rest will fall into place.


I'm absolutely convinced that for some of them, it was the perfect way to cover up more shady dealings, especially Macierewicz and the incredibly dodgy business around the helicopter cancellation and their replacement with those Boeing governmental jets.

Hushed? I mean what they can find after so many years and without property of the polish state being stolen by thieving Russians?

Besides the question posed what was the case oft he crash is purely academic and secondary.

What Any serious commission of any serious state would do at the state. It would investigate people and institutions who and which haven't been doing their duties. Those who fail, neglected, mismanagement and so on... They should be put in prison. Some goes with those who had hold at the time the highest positions should face beside a political responsibility charges of neglecting their duties and acting against interest of the state and should be put in prison.

Maciarewicz focuses on scientific theories what might have happened or could have happened and use them to stir political waters. disappointing.

Not that opposition is nothing but a bunch of clueless churls, they are absolutely useless no entities.

Then it means that mostly PiS guys should be put in prison because it was mainly them who organised that flight and pressed on landing at any cost in exceptionally difficult weather.

Absolutely seething.


His reaction was typical of someone who knows they're culpable.

lol, aren't you partisan to the core.? What a lame reaction.

if the person that allowed all the military leaders on a single plane is still alive they really need to be in prison that is absolute criminal negligence

Yes, that person is still alive. He is called Andrzej Duda.

I guess you mean he was a secretary in Lech Kaczyński`s office and was expected to fly with his boss but resigned in the last moment.

It is unbelievable but for real: there is a special site devoted to Smoleńsk air crash.

smolenskcrashnews.com/what-is-donald-tusk-interpreter-magdalena-fitas-dukaczewska-afraid-of.html

I found it after looking for info on today`s second ruling of the Polish court which annuled PiS prosecutors` decision to interrogate the intepreter who took part in Tusk - Putin meetings after the crash.

BTW, do you know any other democratic country where interpreters mustn`t keep secret about what they heard and translated from and to politicians, even heads of states?

The site is heavily partisan - communists propagandists used to write in that style long ago, today it has been successfully adopted by PiS in Poland and probably Am Poles on their pathetic site:

Check it out:
Donald Tusk's interpreter is hysterizing. What is Magdalena Fitas-Dukaczewska afraid of? Madam Magdalena Fitas-Dukaczewska is clearly unaccustomed to being treated as an ordinary citizen, not a celebrity. Is this a coincidence? I do not think so" - states hysterical Dukaczewska. The last name of her husband - the former head of the communist military intelligence services, WSI, no longer works like a magic spell.

Such a lot of garbage in one paragraph only. Unbelievable!

I am sorry, I didn`t add that I grouped a few quotes from the article into one paragraph. But it is short so they are still conspicuous.

I am just reading the title in Wyborcza: The ultimate fall of Smoleńsk myth. Neither report nor end to investigation. After 10 years.

Nice. PiS wasted millions playing with sausages and beer cans to show how the plane disintegrated after an "explosion.".

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You say 'wasted' I say 'stole'. Tomato, tomahto...

This year it's the same as the last few.... report any day now, new evidence..... only the willfully stupid fall for it.

There's also the idea of trying to distract voters from their disastrous healthcare policy which has led to many thousands of unnecessary and/or premature deaths.

Prioritizing propaganda over healthcare kills!

Thank you, United Right!

. What those political hacks are saying? Just kidding not interested.
F me you really are a hard core Soviet - quoting Wybiurcza this time and age.


Bringing that subject again to distract their electorate. I agree with you.

Rightist quote their sources, centrists quote theirs, while fascists theirs. And we have a perfect balance in result. hahaha

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Who knows what the Kremlin has on Kaczyński?? E.g, they certainly possess the recording of his last conversation with his President brother during which Jarosław presses on Lech to land at any cost; If that recording is made public, Kaczyński and PiS are finished. That is why Kaczyński has to dance as the Kremlin orders him

Is everybody in Poland insane? Who the hell flies your planes? Politicians or pilots? How about that all-purpose advice to STFU when some clown with a big title, slurping his sixth beer, tells the pilot to land when the conditions are deadly? So the pilot can be fired later. BFD! You can be fired only if you are alive. Duh! That kind of sets the priorities straight, doesn't it?

I guess every flight in Poland with the president on board needs me as the go-between.

Are you insane? You are just making things up, clearly lying. Prove it! . Wierd fantasies in your rabid hatred of poland. Go back to picking your vegetables to feed your family, that is all you are good for since you were banned from teaching.

Your furious reaction only proves that you know such a recording exists and it can be used to blackmail Kaczyński.

@pawian
And your provocations only prove you to be an provocateur.

Got any other claims with which to infuriate people? Your lack of emotions regarding Polish matters mean that your quite adept at handling emotions or that you have none left for Poland. Which is it? Cause as you see from reactions by those on the right of you politically, most assume one of them

Maybe or he is just a troll to whom everything is a joke. The most irritating part is that even trolls don't want to cross that red line that turns them into idiots.

In case of the ruling rightists, it is politicians who are in full control. Pilots are only tools who can take off and land, that`s it.

Can you imagine that rightards still ignore safety rules when they fly domestic routes? E.g, there were cases that Air Force One took off without permission fom air controllers.


Oh la la, you rolled up heavy artillery against me now. I promise I will talk to you when you cool down coz now you are too emotional.. :):)

A claim pretending to be a question. Now the evidence to support that pseudo question, please, including the pilots' voting records or political statements.