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Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash


Rich Mazur 5 | 3,343
12 Apr 2019  #721
Is it the same Laboratory that found the WMD's under Saddam's bed?
OP pawian 153 | 8,459
13 Apr 2019  #722
We've been hearing "published shortly" for 3.5 years now.

After the crash some PiS guys decided to progress their careers with the help of Smoleńsk lie. Kaczyński believed them for many years but it seems he has finally seen through their trickstery and decided to give up.
mafketis 17 | 6,910
13 Apr 2019  #723
Kaczyński believed them for many years but it seems he has finally seen through

I don't think he believed them for a second, he was riding that train as long and hard as he could (probably to soothe his own conscience....)
OP pawian 153 | 8,459
13 Apr 2019  #724
You suggest he was so cynical, despite the fact it concerned his twin brother?
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
13 Apr 2019  #725
You suggest he was so cynical

Yes. He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election, and the seeds of the "Smolenskisation" policy were sowed in the hatred seen outside the Presidential palace in 2010. They had no chance in the 2011 election, but you can see how Kaczyński started really pushing the Smolensk myth after his defeat in the election.

His ability to 'care' and then not care about Smolensk is quite extraordinary, and I think you could see that he hated Obywatele RP for 'wrecking' the cult-like monthly appearances.

If Kaczyński really cared, he would have immediately opened up all the files to international experts, and made a high profile public commission with the research publicly available. However, it wouldn't have suited him politically to do so.
mafketis 17 | 6,910
13 Apr 2019  #726
He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election

I think he was also filled with guilt, I think that whole misbegotten adventure (second Katyn memorial) was his idea in the first place and it was either blame other people or hate himself for causing his brother's death... I don't blame him for choosing the first option but I do blame those foolish enough to go along with it...
delphiandomine 85 | 17,823
13 Apr 2019  #727
I think he was also filled with guilt,

There are so many rumours about his role in the whole thing that I suspect that he deliberately wants to avoid anything going near a courtroom or the State Tribunal for that reason. I do think though, that he understood Polish society perfectly in that you don't need to win all the votes, you just need to have a solid amount of 'believers' and that the rest will fall into place.

I do blame those foolish enough to go along with it...

I'm absolutely convinced that for some of them, it was the perfect way to cover up more shady dealings, especially Macierewicz and the incredibly dodgy business around the helicopter cancellation and their replacement with those Boeing governmental jets.
Ironside 47 | 9,574
14 Apr 2019  #728
It seems the whole Smoleńsk business has been hushed up by PiS government.

Hushed? I mean what they can find after so many years and without property of the polish state being stolen by thieving Russians?

Besides the question posed what was the case oft he crash is purely academic and secondary.

What Any serious commission of any serious state would do at the state. It would investigate people and institutions who and which haven't been doing their duties. Those who fail, neglected, mismanagement and so on... They should be put in prison. Some goes with those who had hold at the time the highest positions should face beside a political responsibility charges of neglecting their duties and acting against interest of the state and should be put in prison.

Maciarewicz focuses on scientific theories what might have happened or could have happened and use them to stir political waters. disappointing.

Not that opposition is nothing but a bunch of clueless churls, they are absolutely useless no entities.
OP pawian 153 | 8,459
14 Apr 2019  #729
people and institutions who and which haven't been doing their duties.

Then it means that mostly PiS guys should be put in prison because it was mainly them who organised that flight and pressed on landing at any cost in exceptionally difficult weather.
jon357 64 | 14,382
14 Apr 2019  #730
Yes. He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election,

Absolutely seething.

it was either blame other people or hate himself for causing his brother's death...

His reaction was typical of someone who knows they're culpable.
Ironside 47 | 9,574
14 Apr 2019  #731
Then it means that mostly PiS guys

lol, aren't you partisan to the core.? What a lame reaction.
mafketis 17 | 6,910
14 Apr 2019  #732
that mostly PiS guys should be put in prison

if the person that allowed all the military leaders on a single plane is still alive they really need to be in prison that is absolute criminal negligence
terri 1 | 1,609
14 Apr 2019  #733
Yes, that person is still alive. He is called Andrzej Duda.
OP pawian 153 | 8,459
14 Apr 2019  #734
I guess you mean he was a secretary in Lech Kaczyński`s office and was expected to fly with his boss but resigned in the last moment.


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