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Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash


Rich Mazur 4 | 3,741
12 Apr 2019 #721
Is it the same Laboratory that found the WMD's under Saddam's bed?
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
13 Apr 2019 #722
We've been hearing "published shortly" for 3.5 years now.

After the crash some PiS guys decided to progress their careers with the help of Smoleńsk lie. Kaczyński believed them for many years but it seems he has finally seen through their trickstery and decided to give up.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
13 Apr 2019 #723
Kaczyński believed them for many years but it seems he has finally seen through

I don't think he believed them for a second, he was riding that train as long and hard as he could (probably to soothe his own conscience....)
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
13 Apr 2019 #724
You suggest he was so cynical, despite the fact it concerned his twin brother?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
13 Apr 2019 #725
You suggest he was so cynical

Yes. He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election, and the seeds of the "Smolenskisation" policy were sowed in the hatred seen outside the Presidential palace in 2010. They had no chance in the 2011 election, but you can see how Kaczyński started really pushing the Smolensk myth after his defeat in the election.

His ability to 'care' and then not care about Smolensk is quite extraordinary, and I think you could see that he hated Obywatele RP for 'wrecking' the cult-like monthly appearances.

If Kaczyński really cared, he would have immediately opened up all the files to international experts, and made a high profile public commission with the research publicly available. However, it wouldn't have suited him politically to do so.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
13 Apr 2019 #726
He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election

I think he was also filled with guilt, I think that whole misbegotten adventure (second Katyn memorial) was his idea in the first place and it was either blame other people or hate himself for causing his brother's death... I don't blame him for choosing the first option but I do blame those foolish enough to go along with it...
delphiandomine 83 | 17,771
13 Apr 2019 #727
I think he was also filled with guilt,

There are so many rumours about his role in the whole thing that I suspect that he deliberately wants to avoid anything going near a courtroom or the State Tribunal for that reason. I do think though, that he understood Polish society perfectly in that you don't need to win all the votes, you just need to have a solid amount of 'believers' and that the rest will fall into place.

I do blame those foolish enough to go along with it...

I'm absolutely convinced that for some of them, it was the perfect way to cover up more shady dealings, especially Macierewicz and the incredibly dodgy business around the helicopter cancellation and their replacement with those Boeing governmental jets.
Ironside 48 | 9,899
14 Apr 2019 #728
It seems the whole Smoleńsk business has been hushed up by PiS government.

Hushed? I mean what they can find after so many years and without property of the polish state being stolen by thieving Russians?

Besides the question posed what was the case oft he crash is purely academic and secondary.

What Any serious commission of any serious state would do at the state. It would investigate people and institutions who and which haven't been doing their duties. Those who fail, neglected, mismanagement and so on... They should be put in prison. Some goes with those who had hold at the time the highest positions should face beside a political responsibility charges of neglecting their duties and acting against interest of the state and should be put in prison.

Maciarewicz focuses on scientific theories what might have happened or could have happened and use them to stir political waters. disappointing.

Not that opposition is nothing but a bunch of clueless churls, they are absolutely useless no entities.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
14 Apr 2019 #729
people and institutions who and which haven't been doing their duties.

Then it means that mostly PiS guys should be put in prison because it was mainly them who organised that flight and pressed on landing at any cost in exceptionally difficult weather.
jon357 63 | 14,254
14 Apr 2019 #730
Yes. He was already filled with rage over the humiliation of losing the 2007 election,

Absolutely seething.

it was either blame other people or hate himself for causing his brother's death...

His reaction was typical of someone who knows they're culpable.
Ironside 48 | 9,899
14 Apr 2019 #731
Then it means that mostly PiS guys

lol, aren't you partisan to the core.? What a lame reaction.
mafketis 21 | 7,458
14 Apr 2019 #732
that mostly PiS guys should be put in prison

if the person that allowed all the military leaders on a single plane is still alive they really need to be in prison that is absolute criminal negligence
terri 1 | 1,634
14 Apr 2019 #733
Yes, that person is still alive. He is called Andrzej Duda.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
14 Apr 2019 #734
I guess you mean he was a secretary in Lech Kaczyński`s office and was expected to fly with his boss but resigned in the last moment.
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
25 Sep 2019 #735
It is unbelievable but for real: there is a special site devoted to Smoleńsk air crash.

smolenskcrashnews.com/what-is-donald-tusk-interpreter-magdalena-fitas-dukaczewska-afraid-of.html

I found it after looking for info on today`s second ruling of the Polish court which annuled PiS prosecutors` decision to interrogate the intepreter who took part in Tusk - Putin meetings after the crash.

BTW, do you know any other democratic country where interpreters mustn`t keep secret about what they heard and translated from and to politicians, even heads of states?

The site is heavily partisan - communists propagandists used to write in that style long ago, today it has been successfully adopted by PiS in Poland and probably Am Poles on their pathetic site:

Check it out:
Donald Tusk's interpreter is hysterizing. What is Magdalena Fitas-Dukaczewska afraid of? Madam Magdalena Fitas-Dukaczewska is clearly unaccustomed to being treated as an ordinary citizen, not a celebrity. Is this a coincidence? I do not think so" - states hysterical Dukaczewska. The last name of her husband - the former head of the communist military intelligence services, WSI, no longer works like a magic spell.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,608
25 Sep 2019 #736
Such a lot of garbage in one paragraph only. Unbelievable!
OP pawian 161 | 9,971
26 Sep 2019 #737
I am sorry, I didn`t add that I grouped a few quotes from the article into one paragraph. But it is short so they are still conspicuous.


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