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Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash


jon357 71 | 21,086
14 Sep 2022 #781
@Kashub1410
Much the same thing in a politician; in J K-M's case, he tried and failed.

PiS advisors learnt lessons from populism too, however their star seems to be very much on the wane.

Fortunately, some of the media tricks favoured by those who advice populist figures are becoming less effective. Hopefully this will remain so (although anything can happen, especially with the advent of AI and whatever today's internet evolves into).

It would be good to say that the age of populism is dead.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
14 Sep 2022 #782
what do u challenge in the neizalezna article?

Firstly, it is closely connected with PiS - in fact, it is one of their propaganda outlets.

While TVN is an independent broadcaster which attacks every party and politician if they fail to fulfill standards.

Secondly, the article doesn`t explain anything, it introduces even bigger confusion. That is rightards` method, also here. Turn the discussion into complete mess so that nobody knows what we are talking about.

Simple.

niezalezna.pl/457372-TYLKO-U-NAS

Gumi, is that all you are able to do?? Post a silly link to PiS propaganda outlet, in Polish, without a single word of comment or attempt of defence???

Didn`t you realise that the result of it would be utterly pathetic???

It is obvious you have nothing to say.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
14 Sep 2022 #783
I mean i could go on about tvn and it's shady past

Yes, I thought so, instead of explaining why and where TVN is wrong in debunking PiS` lies, you are trying to allude to its past. hahahahaha

It is quite symbolic that none of the 3 rightards/naziopolaken who took voice after my initial post refused to point directly to any flaws in the TVN`s program exposing the PiS scam with Smoleńsk myth.

none of the 3 rightards/naziopolaken

I meant: all 3
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
14 Sep 2022 #784
Bitter words in the Polish Parliament from an opposition member who lost her mother in the air crash to PiS conmen:

- Mr Prime Minister, I am asking you to immediately dissolve the Smolensk subcommittee and punish this Smolensk liar Macierewicz for forging documents!

- And to you, Mr. Kaczynski, I only have one question: how can you look in the mirror after you made politics with this tragedy, on the coffin of your brother, sister-in-law, your friends and my mother, you built an empire of lies that allowed you to take power? ? How are you not ashamed, Mr. Kaczyński, to divide Poland and make pure politics? Now you are laughing. Disgrace, disgrace forever!

Bitter but so true. Kaczyński is directly responsible for the death of his family. That is why he has been looking for other scapegoats to take his moral burden coz he was unable to deal with it on his own. That is why Kaczyński initially accused the previous government of negligence although it was PiS` President`s Chancellory which prepared and ran the flight. Then he decided to promote the internal/foreign plot myth which now is being finally debunked.

What is Kaczyński going to do with his moral conscience after all myths are debunked??? Invent an attack from Mars????
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,837
14 Sep 2022 #785
Bitter words in the Polish Parliament from an opposition member

Should be ashamed. Using family for a political cheap gain. Who is that brazen clown or a fool?
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
14 Sep 2022 #786
Should be ashemed. Using family for a political cheap gai

Exactly. Kaczyński is a really evil person without any scruples.

PS. Person?????
amiga500 3 | 1,516
14 Sep 2022 #787
Exactly. Kaczyński is a really evil person.

You know you threaten legal proceedings against me for insulting Trashkowski, and now u are guilty of the same crime. well be carefull pavianowicz as you are residing in poland so the stakes are much higher for you, and there are strict laws in insulting the naczelnik of poland, you don't want to end up in pre trail detention whilst the facts of the matter are sorted out do you?
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
14 Sep 2022 #788
there are strict laws in insulting the naczelnik of poland,

I am ready to take the risk. I am doing it for free Poland, abused and exploited by those PiS gangsters.

end up in pre trail detention

One day it must happen that PiS will track me down and put in jail for everything I write here and elsewhere. Hard luck.
I will take it on the chin like a man.

I don`t care if they send me to Siberia like it happened to thousand Polish patriots in the past - I am tough and resistant to cold temps.

It will be worse if they choose Africa for my exile - I hate heat.
Alien 12 | 1,969
14 Sep 2022 #789
@pawian
Escape to San Escobar. There is no extradition from there.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,669
14 Sep 2022 #790
I don`t care if they send me to Siberia

Oh do behave Baboon!
Stop being so over dramatic , you drama queen!
I get that PIS are Poles that you intensely dislike.
But they are not Russians.
So they won't send you to Siberia as Russians regularly did to Poles.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
15 Sep 2022 #791
But they are not Russians.

No, they aren`t but they use similar methods of ruling the country like RuSSists - autocracy, namely. That is why I will always consider them scum close to Mongol barbarians.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,837
16 Sep 2022 #792
hey aren`t but they use similar methods of ruling the country like RuSSists

Stop talking rubbish, you lie and spread lies and rubbish.
Sore loosers are not liked anywhere.
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
16 Sep 2022 #793
talking rubbish

Yes, those PiS gangsters are addicted to it. They can`t live without lying and creating myths..
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
17 Sep 2022 #794
Let`s review again the crazy thesis and experiments which PiS committee put forward or carried out to examine the cause of the presidential plane crash.

A sausage as evidence
In 2012, Dr. Grzegorz Szuladziński, in a report written for the parliamentary team investigating the Smolensk air crash concluded that there was an "internal explosion" on board the TU-154M. In his opinion, this is evidenced by the lack of fire and the type of crack in the hull. If the explosive were outside the aircraft, the effects would be different.

Dr. Andrzej Ziółkowski from the Institute of Fundamental Technological Research of the Polish Academy of Sciences supported this argument, using sausages as an illustration.

In his opinion, the longitudinal fracture of the fuselage must have been the result of a sharp increase in pressure as a result of an explosion inside the plane. "We see something like that when we cook sausages for breakfast" - he said and showed a picture of two sausages cracked along their entire length.



Alien 12 | 1,969
17 Sep 2022 #795
@pawian
And how he explained the mustard?
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
17 Sep 2022 #796
Alien, it is not funny what PiS has been doing with that tragedy. It is deplorable.

Nevertheless, that pathetic sausage thesis is still a frequent subject of jokes.







Alien 12 | 1,969
17 Sep 2022 #797
@pawian
No, it isn't funny, but funny is that it is russian mustard on the plate so it was russian assassination.🌭
Miloslaw 14 | 4,669
17 Sep 2022 #798
@Alien

With everything we know from history, let alone recent events, how can any sane person rule out Russian assassination at all???
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
17 Sep 2022 #799
Russian assassination

Russians can be blamed for many things but in this case they are clean, sort of. It was Polish rightards` decision to land in the blinding fog at any cost which eventually led to the disastrous encounter with a giant birch tree. Pity they killed so many decent people.



Miloslaw 14 | 4,669
17 Sep 2022 #800
Russians can be blamed for many things but in this case they are clean

How can you be so sure?
Do you not trust your gut instincts?
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
17 Sep 2022 #801
Gut instincts released while digesting sausages??? No, I don`t trust them. Sorry.
mafketis 34 | 12,513
17 Sep 2022 #802
Do you not trust your gut instincts?

My gut instincts:russia totally _would_ have crashed the plane had putain deemed it necessary or desirable.

But... russia is a nation of bumblers and it would have been extremely obvious if they had done it...

all the evidence is that it was a tragic accident maybe (not for sure, but possibly) brought on by the hubris of whoever had a h@rd on about landing at all costs.....
Miloslaw 14 | 4,669
17 Sep 2022 #803
No, I don`t trust them.

So why do you so fervently believe they are innocent?
mafketis 34 | 12,513
17 Sep 2022 #804
fervently believe they are innocent?

show me evidence that russia was involved that hasn't been cherry-picked and massaged into an inch of its life....

again... do you really think russians are competent enough to make it _hard_ to figure out that they did it (if they did... which I doubt).
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
17 Sep 2022 #805
What is that fascination with sausages? I find it odd.

Exactly. I already said it: PiS` crazy theses and experiments.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,669
17 Sep 2022 #806
show me evidence that russia was involved

No.Why should I?
You show me evidence that Russia was not involved.....
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
17 Sep 2022 #807
You show me evidence

No, in this case, PiS has to find evidence to prove their assassination claim.They have come up with ten thesis so far and none is credible or evidenced.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,669
17 Sep 2022 #808
PiS has to find evidence to prove their assassination claim

You are so naive.....
OP pawian 194 | 19,848
17 Sep 2022 #809
naive

Yaaaaaawn.
Darling, you are living in Great Britain, a civilised country with a highly developed legal system that can set an example to many countries in the world. Didn`t they teach you that you mustn`t accuse without proofs coz it is unlawful???

So far PiS hasn`t presented any credible proofs for their mad accusations.

Try to live up to the legal standards which prevail in your country. If you want to follow barbarian legal standards, move to PiS` Poland. Are you tough enough to do it??? :):):)


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