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jon357  73 | 23133
3 Mar 2024   #211
a slip

It's a slip. He wouldn't lose marks in an assessment.

for example, in the fields

Or anywhere else.

You're still wrong, no matter how much you argue.
Atch  23 | 4275
3 Mar 2024   #212
she just takes out a specific list and uses it.

I have never in my life had recourse to notes when speaking.

The bottom line is that Jon is right in everything he says and you're wrong.
OP pawian  221 | 25379
3 Mar 2024   #213
you're

Simply impossible. :):):)
mafketis  38 | 11009
3 Mar 2024   #214
a politician now largely forgot instead of forgotten

He says "a politician now largely forgott--en but....

There's a hesitation or break or short pause between the two final syllables.... not a mistake in any meaningful sense

Even if he had said 'forgot' most people (including highly educated native speakers) wouldn't hear it as a mistake....

One of the dirtly little secrets of English is that endings are just not that important and native speakers (even highly educated ones) use divergent endings frequently, especially when it comes to past participles.

Added: different language communities have different approaches to their languages.... Poles are highly concerned about speaking correct standard Polish. English speakers generally don't care about 'correct' usage to the same extent. They're not completely indifferent but it's not as much a concern as it is for Polish speakers.

One reason is that first language education in English speaking countries, if it exists at all, is mostly terrible.... a bunch of myths and discredited ideas and many/most people end up hating English class and ideas like 'grammar' or 'correct'.

There are informal standards that can be very important but correctness for the sake of correctness...... not really a concern.
OP pawian  221 | 25379
3 Mar 2024   #215
There's a hesitation or break or short pause between the two final syllables.

No, there isn`t any break when he utters the word.
However, I thought he said forgot soon but on second thoughts it can`t be soon coz it would sound even worse grammar.. He says sth like forgotson. Strange.

wouldn't hear it as a mistake....

It is their problem what they hear. A mistake is a mistake. Simple. Ha!
mafketis  38 | 11009
3 Mar 2024   #216
forgotson

He heavily aspirates the t, which Poles tend to hear as Polish c. I remember a Polish person asking me why a certain American always said cak instead of tak....
OP pawian  221 | 25379
3 Mar 2024   #217
He heavily aspirates the t, which Poles tend to hear as Polish c

Probably, but T aspiration takes place when it is in an initial position in a word. Here it isn`t. It isn`t even at the beginning of a stressed syllable.

This way or another, a mistake. :):):)
mafketis  38 | 11009
3 Mar 2024   #218
This way or another, a mistake.

You think too much about 'mistakes' you need to think about some other things....
OP pawian  221 | 25379
3 Mar 2024   #219
You think too much about 'mistakes'

That`s my job, maf. I take huge money for it each month. :):)

But I do not focus on mistakes only. I evaluate also other things and I always start with positive appraisal. Check my comment on that Legutko guy.
Atch  23 | 4275
3 Mar 2024   #220
I thought he said forgot soon

Well, that's because you're a foreigner, not a native English speaker. When I listened to the clip, it was quite clear to me that he said 'forgotten'. He speaks very nicely in my opinion. Once again, he has a measured, thoughtful style. Obviously you have a preference for babblers.

Fluency is not about how quickly one talks but the content and range of what one says. I have a feeling that you coach your students to sound like entrants in the Miss America pageant. 'My name is something weirdly American like Briony and I'm a major in nuclear science at some university or other somewhere in California where having long, blonde hair is more important than SAT scores. I'm really passionate about saving the planet and when I'm not doing intellectual stuff -Go Einstein! - you'll find me hanging ten off a surfboard or visiting the gel nail salon.'
OP pawian  221 | 25379
3 Mar 2024   #221
it was quite clear that he said 'forgotten'.

No, it wasn`t, you heard it in your mind`s ear coz you expected it. Ha!!!!

to me

You is you while me is me. I have the right to stick to my opinions. Ha!!!

Obviously you have a preference

Of course. I don`t have time to listen to slow azholes who drawl their words. Life is too short. Fast speakers are an advantage.
mafketis  38 | 11009
3 Mar 2024   #222
Fast speakers are an advantage.

Not necessarily.... when I hear a fast talker I'm wondering what they're trying to get past me....
Atch  23 | 4275
3 Mar 2024   #223
With politicians it can make them sound 'coached' or worse still, glib.
jon357  73 | 23133
3 Mar 2024   #224
fast talker I'm wondering what they're trying to get past me...

That can certainly be the case. Also people with a high IQ but poor social skills can talk too fast.

With politicians

Quite. I remember that with Thatcher they had to get her to slow down a bit. With a local politician near me though, his fast speech sounds like he's trying to drown you with facts to make replies more difficult.
mafketis  38 | 11009
3 Mar 2024   #225
politicians it can make them sound 'coached' or worse still, glib.

That's why I think Trzaskowski should slow down a little... he sounds a little too glib at present (maybe what you mean by 'too American').
OP pawian  221 | 25379
3 Mar 2024   #226
That's why I think Trzaskowski should slow down a little

Don`t be silly. Trzaskowski values his and his listeners/interlocutors` time. It is a great asset he speaks fast. Only limited azholes don`t appreciate it. Simple.

With politicians i

Rubbish.

I'm wondering

You are definitely wondering too much. :):):)
mafketis  38 | 11009
3 Mar 2024   #227
It is a great asset he speaks fast

Many who listen to him are not native speakers either and might get lost.....

Aim your delivery to your audience!
Bobko  27 | 2155
3 Mar 2024   #228
Even if he had said 'forgot' most people (including highly educated native speakers) wouldn't hear it as a mistake....

First of all, want to say it's very interesting observing this conversation. I'm not a philologist/linguist, so encountering some terms that I'm not familiar with.

Regarding the "forgot"... to me it sounds actually correct, but sort of archaic and unnecessarily pompous given the occasion.

"Forgotten politicians" vs "Politicians forgot" is kinda like JFK vs King Henry VIII.
OP pawian  221 | 25379
3 Mar 2024   #229
Aim your delivery to your audience!

You will never please everyone, haven`t you learnt this life rule so far??? :):):)
Mr Future President of Poland Trzaskowski clearly beats all of other guys in this thread.
Miloslaw  21 | 5027
3 Mar 2024   #230
Obviously you have a preference for babblers.

Jerzy does, because he is a babbler himself and that is not just about speed but about content too.
OP pawian  221 | 25379
4 Mar 2024   #231
he is a babbler

Prove it!!!!! Ha!
OP pawian  221 | 25379
17 Mar 2024   #232
Jacek Vincent Rostowski was the Finance Minister in the previous gov of Mr Honourable Prime Minister Donald
Reverend Tusk about 10 years ago. Born and raised in Britain, speaks both Polish and English like a native. Definitely better than Sikorski who came to GB at 18.



Jacek Rostowski comes from a family of Polish emigrants of Jewish origin. He is the grandson of Jakub Rothfeld (Rostowski), neurologist, professor at the Jan Kazimierz University in Lviv and the Polish Faculty of Medicine in Edinburgh. He was born in London as the son of Jadwiga née Orzech ( primo voto Vetter) and Roman Rostowski , a lawyer, initially secretary and translator of Prime Minister Tomasz Arciszewski , and later a British colonial official .

Jacek Rostowski spent his childhood in his father's workplaces - in British diplomatic missions in Kenya , Mauritius and the Seychelles . He has both Polish and British citizenship
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Poloniusz  5 | 916
17 Mar 2024   #233
Jacek Rostowski comes from a family of Jewish origin...Born and raised in Britain, speaks both Polish and English like a native.

Super!


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Novichok  5 | 7939
17 Mar 2024   #234
This migrant bullshit is not going to end well for whites.
Alien  24 | 5760
18 Mar 2024   #235
Jacek Rostowski

And Ursula von der Leyen lived in London in the Rostowski family's apartment and partied a lot, which Jacek didn't like at all.
OP pawian  221 | 25379
18 Mar 2024   #236
f Jewish origin...Polish
Super!

You are very easy to control - it is enough to mention Polish Jews/Jewesses and you immediately rush back to the forum. hahahaha
Alien  24 | 5760
18 Mar 2024   #237
it is enough to mention Polish Jews/Jewesses and you immediately rush back to the forum.

He just loves Jews
OP pawian  221 | 25379
18 Mar 2024   #238
But only Polish.
Poloniusz  5 | 916
18 Mar 2024   #239
you immediately rush back to the forum.

It must be easy for you to notice who is coming and going since you never take a day off from PF and never engage in meaningful conversations with anyone. :)

Still, it betrays your Soviet mentality that you are trying to monitor and profile people on here.



it is enough to mention Jews

And despite all that time and energy you exhaust trying to compile dossiers on other posters you still get it completely wrong.

In fact I posted hours earlier on a different topic in another thread: polishforums.com/life/poland-patrick-day-50191/7/#msg1958848

But only Polish.



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OP pawian  221 | 25379
18 Mar 2024   #240
you never take a day off from PF

Yes, I admit I am haunted with my little addictions occassionally..... :):):)

trying to monitor.

Forgive me that monitoring coz I simply miss you which is natural whenever you take such unusually long breaks from the forum which happens too often to my mind............... ... Is missing you such a sin???? :):):)

I posted in another thread:patrick-day-

I take no interest in Irish holidays in Poland so I didn`t notice it.
Secondly, your participation in the forum is completely negligible unless you engage me. Everybody knows it. Simple. Ha!!!

PS.

exhaust trying to compile dossiers

hahaha Funny. Thanks. :):):)


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