Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland?

I can only speak for New York, where we used to reside. In B'klyn at least, Orthodox Jews are still permitted to insist that women sit separate from the men (in the back of the bus, no less!!!), but ONLY if it's a private conveyance and NOT public transport!

There, the Bet Din typically decides aka ajudicates ALL cases relating to everything from kashrut to moving violations on the sabbathLOL

*Thanks, rozumiemnic:-)

OK but that would not over-ride national law would it?

Recently, there was a horrible murder of a young Chasid! The parents or mispochah, naturally wanted to keep it quiet and have the trial before the Bet Din. However, since the murder took place in Borough Park, and NOT at home or on the boy's family's property, his grieving parents had no choice but to have the matter brought before Brooklyn Criminal Court or face contempt themselves for refusing to comply with US law.

tragic. but a 'good thing' surely that national law over-rode the Bet Din?

Which? The brutal murder or the family's intransigence?

In my opinion, the latter is understandable, and forgivable. For generations, typically if Jews didn't look after one another, nobody else would!

well the murder of course..:)

Figured that, just wondering:-)

Just wondering what exactly?

So the muslims find a unified voice when they feel that THEY are being victimised or insulted but fall silent when the shoe is on the other foot.

Which country do you live ?

..what YOU thought tragic, of course:-)

Anyway, at the risk of incurring the REcurring ire of our lovely mods, I'll have to get back to the thread topic.

I see xenophobia against Muslims the way I see Muslim xenophobia against the West. Jihad cannot be measured by a double standard either!

As in the US, there are surely many ISIS supporters who do seek to do harm to European citizens! The problem arises when the gov't. has the thankless, sometimes futile, task of trying to ferret out the jihadists from the decent men and women of the Islamic faith who just happen to be caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Brothers told it nicely

One of my best friends when I was younger was muslim-a great guy. Eventually he moved away, settled down and we lost touch.

I used to be a staunch defender for any ethnic minority-my parents were immigrants so I had an affinity with the underdog and I grew up listening to stories of how the Brits would call my parents "bloody foreigners" when they heard them speak Polish in public.

Direct experience of seeing how the muslim culture is totally incompatible with western values and society has made me change my mind. There's nothing racist about saying that some cultures just cannot mix successfully, or at least haven't been able to so far.

This is why I keep asking people "where do they live" ? If they lived in countries where the cultural jihad is in full swing then their liberal views would be tested more. If they are only getting their information from other sources then it's easy to be idealistic.

Unified voice? Where on earth did you get that from? Most Muslims are apathetic towards the situation, just like most Irish Catholics and British Protestants were in Northern Ireland. For that matter, I don't remember Brits taking to the streets to demonstrate against the actions of British terrorists in Northern Ireland, and where the hell were the British when their army was shooting dead civilians in Derry?

Where was the protests over this?

belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/britains-secret-terror-deals-truly-disturbing-bbc-panorama-allegations-of-collusion-must-be-fully-investigated-says-amnesty-international-31261593.html

This was state-sponsored terrorism against the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland. I don't remember the British taking to the streets en masse to demonstrate against it. Where were the protests against the inhumane conditions in the H-blocks?

The majority in any case will always be apathetic. Muslims are no different to you, me or anyone else.

No. Most muslims are silent towards the situation which is not the same thing. A BBC survey found 25% of muslims had sympathy for the attackers and that's assuming everyone answered that survey honestly.

The Irish troubles were about independence. The Loyalists wanted Northern Ireland to remain part of the UK whilst the Republicans wanted Northern Ireland to be part of the greater Republic of Ireland.

Islamic extremists do not demand anything. They simply want Islam to be the sole religion and non-muslims are seen as collateral damage.

Brits from the mainland largely saw the troubles as a local affair (politicians had to be more vocal but they at least condemned attacks when they were carried out).

Terrorism in Ireland was not carried out in the name of British people or Catholics or Protestants but in the name of the respective terrorist groups who each had their own political agendas. Often it was tit for tat honour killings with no political motive whatsoever.

You can keep throwing red herrings all day long but I can't waste much time trying to persuade the blind to see.


Yes. that is usually the case but being apathetic ONLY when acts of terrorism are carried out in your name but being vocal and demonstrating when you perceive an offence has been carried out against you is not a healthy balance.

The violence is only part of the problem and here I will try to drag this back on topic. It's the non-violent majority that are the biggest threat which is why Poland is best served with it's current policy.

If Islamic extremism ended tomorrow we would still be looking at a predominantly Islamic Europe in 50-100 years time without any bloodshed having to be spilt.

A nation's identity has always been taken for granted but identity is being eroded and people directly affected by it are wondering what do they have to do, where do they have to go to feel like they are part of France/England/Germany/Sweden

My opinion is that Islam is not a religion of peace and I think many recent attacks in the past few years add weight it.

ISIS is NOT Islam, but instead, a radical sect from which honest, peace-loving brethren, fellow Muslims, continue to distance themselves!

After all, the Arab greeting, much as in the Hebrew, is "Salaam Alekhum!" aka "Peace Be With You!"
The motto of Turkey, inspite of Erdogan's restructuring of the entire society, remains "Peace at Home, Peace in the World".

Kind of tough to square this with such opposing rhetoric as "Death To All Western Infidels!" and the like, isn't it?
:-)

ISIS is Islam and Islam is ISIS.
The truth is that no one truly understands true Islam, neither Muslim scholars nor Muslims in general.
Even the best of its secular critics don't understand it.
The only way to fully understand Islam is to be the devil himself.

Such bigoted, irresponsible talk demonizes ALL Muslims or followers of Islam, Johnny!! Is Judaism the JDL and the JDL Judaism??! Is Fallwell's Fundamentalism representative of ALL Protestant denominations??! Heaven help us.

There's good and bad in every religion and so what you end up doing is blithely tossing out the baby with the bathwater:-)

Yes, I believe so.
The Jewish Defense League (JDL)  which the FBI describes as a "right-wing terrorist group" , is the same as ISIS.
The world would be much better without either of them and Poland is VERY AWARE of that.

If you honestly can lump ALL Jews aka Judaism with the raw, racist guerilla tactics of Meier Cahan, the rantings and killings of a mastermind Sheik Mohammed as representative of ALL Muslims, the Nazis as representative of ALL Germans etc. ad nauseum, then you are nothing other than an ignorosis!

Because you happen to be from Texas and a mega-jerk, does that make ALL Texans ten-gallon boneheads???!
Ask yourself that one, why dontcha!!

You are famous for name calling when someone disagrees with you.
Problem is that I don't care.
Staying on topic however, Poland is very aware of what Muslims represent.

Indeed. They THINK they know, but as you just pointed out, apparently nobody knows the Islamic mindset....even the Muslims themselves, right?
Nobody that is except for you, it seems.

Again, why generalize about a minority of scum who clearly do NOT represent the majority whole as in the above examples I provided???

If you don't care that you are a bigot, then no one else should either.

no Lyzko..islam is disease and ISIS is just one form of its manifestation.sexual abuses and violent crime is another ect.
itl like body that is stricken by disease and have ulcers outside on skin as results.ISIS is like ulcers..nation fight terrorism,but not realise that real problem are Muslims who breed them and nurse them.you can cut of ulcer but if you dont deal with disease,it will root of problem more and more.simple

you say majority are good?no
majority of British Muslims support sharia law.that means massive discrimination and prosecution of others.same majority dont condemn terrorists or sexual abuses of European children.

in 21 century there is no place for this medieval idiocy..ban this **** once for good

Once more, brainchild, do you equate every single German you meet with some bloodthirsty barbarian hellbent on murder and mayhem??! Do you equate every Catholic priest with some unsightly perv who preys on the innocent and defenseless??!

The prejudice has got to stop in order for ISIS and all other similiar cancers to be nipped in the bud ONCE AND FOR ALL!

And tomorrow you will be calling me a homophobe and the next day you will be calling me a racist.......so what.
That is what Liberal Socialists do.
So if you had a bag of candy and were told one piece in it was poison would you eat it ?
All the rest are o.k. except for that one piece.
Would you want that bag of candy in your house ?
Neither does Poland or any other western country.
I can't make it much more simple for you.
They should stay where they are at and not try to invade and change others cultures.

vast majority of Nazis never kill anyone,they were good neighbours and good fathers such as goebbels ,animal loving people like Hitler.
that doesnt mean that this ideology is good.
same with islam...ban this nasty ideology .as naziz were banned and destroyed.

Interesting. Which prejudice is this then ? I presume you're not trying to say that prejudice found on some internet forums, like PF, is holding back the annihilation of ISIS ?

For the record, I agree with you that not all muslims are bad. I would even agree that most muslims are good and want a peaceful life but they consider themselves muslims first and your neighbour second. Their allegiance is only to Allah not to their fellow country or country men and if they have been taught by their local madrassa or mosque that Allah demands that a good muslim respects their non muslim neighbours and respects the country they live in then we're all happy. But if some mosques are teaching them that it is their duty as muslims to make Islam the dominant religion in their country then it's not so good.

As I've said before, Islamic violence is the tip of the iceberg and actually causes more harm to the Islamic quest to become the dominant religion in the world as it causes people to turn the spotlight on the religion and the causes of the violence and sparks debate, sometimes prejudiced.

Islam's goal would be better served if they continue with their non-violent method of each family having 5-7 kids, living in western societies but almost totally failing to integrate and slowly but surely changing the fabric, culture and politics of the host nation. This strategy will reap rewards in another 50 years or so

I'd like to introduce everyone to David Wood. He explains well about the problem with Islam and it's political ideology.

Here's one explaining why you will find "peaceful" Muslims in some parts, and much less in others.

youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

Sheer common sense. Multiculturalism by definition means an absence of a uniform set of cultural values (which includes, like it or not, the religion which has historically informed said values) which are by far the best way to unite people. Under multiculturalism we have multitudes living in solitude; masses of very different people living near to each other but who share nothing in common and turn their backs on one another. It's an obvious recipe for strife, particularly with regards to racial conflict. Leftists themselves preach that race alone cannot determine one's cultural values, yet by supporting multiculturalism they are actively undermining any hope for racial harmony.

It's worse. Mutliculturalism, in it's most extreme forms, means no uniform set of cultural values and no _dominant_ set of cultural values.

I'm not sure if any society has existed (for any length of time) without a dominant set of values.

Part of what's happening in western Europe is alienated and unsettled muslims deciding that if the locals are too wussy to make sure their culture is dominant then they will make _their_ values dominant.