The BEST Guide to POLAND
Unanswered [7]  |  Archives [1] 
 
Witamy, Guest  |  Members
Home / Life   550

Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland?



Lenka 2 | 1,071    
28 Feb 2017  #61

I'm for giving Muslims the same rights in my Country that they give Christians in their home Country.

What if their country is the same as yours?


OP johnny reb 14 | 2,265    
28 Feb 2017  #62

Come on jon, you just want to argue.
Now go back and read slower so your comprehension kicks in.

that they give Christians in their home Country.

Did you see the emphasis on "THEIR HOME COUNTRY" which ever one that is.

What if their country is the same as yours?

Then it is up to them to acclimate to it.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
28 Feb 2017  #63

COUNTRY

Many of those, very many...
mafketis 16 | 4,840    
28 Feb 2017  #64

Yes there are many countries with a strong muslim majority.... and every last one of them treat religious minorities like crap.
Ziemowit 8 | 2,637    
28 Feb 2017  #65

So they all come from one country?

Many of those, very many...

And what are the meaningless remarks of that clown for?
Harry 81 | 13,431    
28 Feb 2017  #66

their home Country.

Do you think that's a country named Muslimland?

What if their country is the same as yours?

Not really a problem, given that johnny's country has been built on denying people equal rights.

"THEIR HOME COUNTRY" which ever one that is.

Country is the singular form of the noun, the plural is 'countries'. We use the singular form of a noun when there is only one of something.

Were you actually trying to make the point that Islamophobia is based on ignorance, or were you just succeeding in doing that?
Lenka 2 | 1,071    
28 Feb 2017  #67

Then it is up to them to acclimate to it.

They create the country in the same capacity you do it. I don't see why you think your values are in any way more important than theirs. And why you refer to muslims as if all of them were guests while in fact they may have the same or longer citizenship heritage. As citizens they have the same right as you do to decide how the country should look like
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,265    
28 Feb 2017  #68

What kind of pointless remark are you trying to make by posting "very many" jon ? ?
If you have nothing against women and think every man should own at least four or that it is o.k. to have sex with little boys then you, too, may be a Muslim.

If a Muslim were to come to Poland and insist on instilling these Muslim beliefs, well, there will be some friction because Poland is a Christian country and detests these beliefs.

Once you Liberal non- believers accept the FACT that EVERY Muslims mission is to convert the world to Islam, only then will you get it.

The Quran even teaches that it is o.k. to lie and kill other Muslims if it promotes honor to Allah.
The Christian church's don't promote these values.
This is why the Polish deters Muslims from migrating to Poland.

they have the same right as you do to decide how the country should look like

Then don't have them telling me that bacon is dirty as they wipe with their bare hand.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
28 Feb 2017  #69

This is why the Polish deters Muslims from migrating to Poland.

As has been repeatedly explained to you, Poland has a liberal immigration policy. $2000USD can buy you residency for a year in Poland.

Plenty of Muslims here, and the number is growing daily. Then again, you've never been to Poland and have zero connection to Poland, so it's no surprise that you don't know that.
jon357 70 | 12,793    
28 Feb 2017  #70

Plenty of Muslims here, and the number is growing daily.

Certainly in Warsaw. And the sun still rises, Poland is still Poland, life is still good.
Lenka 2 | 1,071    
28 Feb 2017  #71

If a Muslim were to come to Poland and insist on instilling these Muslim beliefs, well, there will be some friction
Once you Liberal non- believers accept the FACT that EVERY Muslims mission is to convert the world to Islam, only then will you get it.

We do have our own Muslims assimilated centuries ago. They even had nobility titles. True it's a bit different but somehow they didn't manage to change Poland and didn't even try.

The problem with ppl like you is not realising that while there are Muslims that create problems and we need some solution putting such huge group of ppl into one category is simply moronic and illogical.
gumishu 11 | 4,661    
28 Feb 2017  #72

there are Muslims that create problems

the muslims that create problems currently set the tone to the whole muslim communities - have you seen moderate muslims protest against what their fellow believers do?

Plenty of Muslims here

plenty means 0,2 pro mile or 0,5 pro mile delphi
Harry 81 | 13,431    
28 Feb 2017  #73

Yes there are many countries with a strong muslim majority.... and every last one of them treat religious minorities like crap.

Would you care to reconsider that statement? Or shall I point out that Indonesia is a majority Muslim nation and officially recognises five other religions? And that Egypt is a majority Muslim nation where freedom of religions is constitutionally guaranteed to other religions. That Iran is a majority Muslim nation where seats in parliament are reserved for Jews and Christians. That Bangladesh is a majority Muslim nation where the constitution guarantees both a secular state and freedom of religion. That Malaysia is a majority Muslim nation where the constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

Perhaps the reason that some people in Poland have a negative view of Muslims is that other people tell such pointless lies about Muslims?
gumishu 11 | 4,661    
28 Feb 2017  #74

Perhaps the reason that some people in Poland have a negative view of Muslims is that other people tell such pointless lies about Muslims?

sure Harry - no go zones for the police in Malmoe is a myth, terrorist attacks in France, Belgium, Germany, UK, Spain are fake news no?

muslim patrols on the streets of London are a myth, yeah, tell me more.

And that Egypt is a majority Muslim nation where freedom of religions is constitutionally guaranteed to other religions

and there has been no violence against Christians in the recent years, yeah sure
Lenka 2 | 1,071    
28 Feb 2017  #75

the muslims that create problems currently set the tone to the whole muslim communities - have you seen moderate muslims protest against what their fellow believers do?

I don't see why they should. After all when I still considered myself Catholic I wouldn't dream to go to protest because other Catholic that I never met commited an act of terrorism, the same as now I wouldn't go to a protest because some atheist created an act of terrorism.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
28 Feb 2017  #76

have you seen moderate muslims protest against what their fellow believers do?

Have you seen moderate Catholics protest against the actions of their murdering kin in Northern Ireland? Very rarely, and when they did, the extremists would often threaten them into silence. Did you ever see Protestants in Northern Ireland protest against the actions of Loyalist terrorists? Was there a protest when the Miami Showband were murdered in cold blood by the side of the road by loyalist/British Army linked killers? Nope.

It's a stupid argument to make, because moderate people don't tend to protest against extremists as extremists tend to threaten them. When have you ever seen moderate self-proclaimed Christians in the US protesting against the actions of the Christian Right there?
gumishu 11 | 4,661    
28 Feb 2017  #77

I wouldn't dream to go to protest because other Catholic that I never met commited an act of terrorism,

you wouldn't and I would - that's not an argument
but I'm not a Catholic
Harry 81 | 13,431    
28 Feb 2017  #78

no go zones for the police in Malmoe is a myth

Yes, they are, as the Malmo police and the government of Sweden have pointed out.

terrorist attacks in France, Belgium, Germany, UK, Spain are fake news no?

No more fake than the terrorist attacks carried out in those countries by Catholic or Atheist terrorists.
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,265    
28 Feb 2017  #79

When have you ever seen moderate self-proclaimed Christians in the US protesting against the actions of the Christian Right there?@ delphiandomine

Anti Christian Abortionist do come to mind.
gumishu 11 | 4,661    
28 Feb 2017  #80

Yes, they are, as the Malmo police and the government of Sweden have pointed out.

Harry it seems you don't follow the news - I forgive you

No more fake than the terrorist attacks carried out in those countries by Catholic or Atheist terrorists.

can you give recent examples - by recent I mean from the 21st century
Lenka 2 | 1,071    
28 Feb 2017  #81

you wouldn't and I would - that's not an argument

I agree as I don't see your comment as an argument.
The only thing we do by putting all Muslims into this weird 'you are all the same bad, terrorist lot' is creating more hostility and higher risk of kids getting extreme. I'm not saying there is no problem but branding 1.6 billion ppl is simply ridiculous and no sensible person could support that.

What's even worse is that some ppl start to think that since someone is a Muslim he cannot be your countryman/ guy next door.

One of my lecturer was an ex US soldier that thought in Balkans. He said the scariest thing was that families that lived next to each other for years and intermarried now were at war and killing each other. We are getting to the point where it can start looking like that. I for one don't want to be part of it.
Harry 81 | 13,431    
28 Feb 2017  #82

Harry it seems you don't follow the news

It seems that you prefer to believe Russia Today than the government of Sweden and Malmo police; why not educate yourself? thelocal.se/20160923/embassy-no-go-zones-do-not-exist-in-sweden-hungary

by recent I mean from the 21st century

Here are those attacks carried out by just one terrorist organisation most of the members of which were baptised as Catholics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks#2000-2011
mafketis 16 | 4,840    
28 Feb 2017  #83

Or shall I point out that Indonesia is a majority Muslim nation and officially recognises five other religions?

economist.com/blogs/banyan/2011/02/religious_persecution_indonesia

And that Egypt is a majority Muslim nation where freedom of religions is constitutionally guaranteed to other religions

europe.newsweek.com/how-egyptian-muslims-persecuting-coptic-christians-470406?rm=eu

That Iran is a majority Muslim nation where seats in parliament are reserved for Jews and Christians.

forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2013/05/13/the-perils-of-religious-persecution-in-iran/#77541be1241d

That Bangladesh is a majority Muslim nation where the constitution guarantees both a secular state and freedom of religion

gatestoneinstitute.org/9538/muslim-hindu-violence-bangladesh

That Malaysia is a majority Muslim nation where the constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/malaysia-highest-court-allah-bible-ban

Would you care to reconsider that statement?

No. Not Really.

Malaysia was/is making progress in allowing for legal conversion from Islam to christianity. That's good (and astonishing that it required a court ruling).
gumishu 11 | 4,661    
28 Feb 2017  #84

ETA_attacks

ETA is a separatist organization

where are the examples from France, Germany, Belgium, The UK
OP johnny reb 14 | 2,265    
28 Feb 2017  #85

That Iran is a majority Muslim nation where seats in parliament are reserved for Jews and Christians.

How many seats har ?
The Islamic state is a particularly inhospitable home to religious minorities, Christians, Baha'is, Jews, Sunni Muslims.
Iran is Exhibit #1 for the threat posed by Islamic fundamentalists gaining control of government.
Tell us har, all about what Christian influence has in the government of Iran.
Take your time as I just took two aspirin which take 45 minutes to work for the headache that you give me.
gumishu 11 | 4,661    
28 Feb 2017  #86

I for one don't want to be part of it.

there is a simple solution for Poland - don't let the muslims in in great numbers - it is enough I guess not to give them social benefits
Ironside 46 | 8,406    
28 Feb 2017  #87

We do have our own Muslims assimilated centuries ago.

Oh please don't bring that argument. That was a special case with specific circumstances that are impossible to recreate nowadays. Besides they always have been a tiny fraction of the populace and today their number dwindled even more.

Deriving from ancient historical facts a far fetching notion that somehow magically it would work in the same way today is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin to explain to you in a way you would have understand.

Plenty of Muslims here, and the number is growing daily

You say it in a way suggesting that you think it is a good thing. Well, I wasn't expecting anything else from you so I only point out for the sake of an unsuspecting reader that you're deeply wrong.

Looking back to the OP original question I must say that it wasn't well thought over question. Muslims as such in the today world are not much of a bother for Poland.

An ongoing 'situation' in Europe with illegal immigrants cascading over borders into Europe. Mainly from the Muslim world (but not only) that they have became a problem.

I mean to say that they became a part of the problem. Ever bigger issue waiting to be solved are policies of so called European countries, Greece, Germany, Italy, France and other sycophants of the EU.

That by countries I mean elites and ruling class of those countries are more than obvious, at least it should be obvious, them and policies they pursue. Their responses to the crisis and their problem solving abilities are on the all time low. Unless... there is something going on behind the curtains that the general public is unaware of, that is beside general incompetence and vainglory of the political class.

No matter, an idea of bringing in a large number of some strange people into Poland was an unspeakable idiocy. That would inevitably spelled disaster for Poland on a large scale. Luckily people in Poland seen a writing on the wall and voted for such a government that wasn't so deeply depended on the German support (wasn't that deep up the Merkel's A...)narrowly escaping that fate.

As a general rule inviting onto your own territory a large number of people from foreign countries in a short space of time creates all sorts of problems for all the involved.

Muslim however seems to be ongoing problem that will be there for generations.
If the rich countries have nothing against in paying the price of their involvement on the world's stage, that is their choice.
Poland has nothing to gain by following their example. Trying to coerce Poland to do that is just wrong. All the people of foreign origin in Poland who advocated such a course of action at the time, aren't friends of Poland and Poles. Quite the opposite.

Why Muslim are a special case? Isn't that obvious? They arrive from a different civilization. A civilization that view others people and ways of live as inferior and encourages religious beliefs that extermination of the different religion is not only a good thing but is a sacred duty of the faithful. All that makes Islam rather incompatible with Christianity and with liberal democracy.

Those who don't see that clearly are not that bright. Alternatively they're fanatical ideologists that cannot/are unable to apply logic and reason to the case.

Surely individual Muslim immigrants to Poland (as long as they pass basic criterion) cannot to be avoided. Nevertheless they should be vented and watched closely by the authorizes. It would be wise to exclude all kind of wahhabies from the Polish citizenship.
Ironside 46 | 8,406    
28 Feb 2017  #88

It's a stupid argument to make, because moderate people don't tend to protest against extremists as extremists tend to threaten them

So, what would you say if I told you that the majority of Muslims are radical Muslim.
Najade - | 19    
28 Feb 2017  #89

I have and the Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule.

yup. I notice he didn't get back to argue further, although I half expected him or one of the sycophantes to ask whether you read it in Arabic or some other language (they usually do that).

If it weren't so sad, it'd be funny.
By the way, some ex-muslims who were born in various arabic speaking countries, who have studied islam at some time, have written books and all about their former religion.

The thing they thought most offensive was that westerners who never were in the middle east or anywhere else, who didn't speak arabic and- save for a few, carefully selected verses- didn't read the Quran nor any of the hadiths, were telling THEM they, the native arabs, didn't understand their own language (and religion), no matter if they had studied it or not.

There would not even be the need to discuss any of these things if more lazy leftists would do some research, learn a few foreign languages, and travelled to some of the countries they adore so much from afar, because then they would probably understand a simple truth:

it is not possible to live in peace with someone who hates you and who believes that nothing is more important or more glorious than killing you.

And even if there was an endless money supply to "buy" your worthless life (muslims call non-muslims literally "not worthy to live", btw), you'd still have to be into pedophilia, bestiality and other atrocities to live in a country where these guys have the majority.

I'm not a fan of any religion of intolerance (i.e., every religion that ever crawled out of the middle east), but I really, really do hope Poland is smart enough to avoid the fate of its western neighbours, and keep people who are averse to its values out.
delphiandomine 87 | 15,756    
28 Feb 2017  #90

So, what would you say if I told you that the majority of Muslims are radical Muslim.

I'd wonder where you're getting your figures from, as the vast majority live peacefully in Europe.

If you said that most Arabs from North Africa are radicalised and downright insane irrespective of actual religion, I'd agree with you. Syrians haven't an issue in Europe, but there are huge problems with Moroccans/Algerians/etc. Generally speaking, the issue is with Iraqis and North Africans. It's also Africans that tend to push the idea of special treatment for Muslims.

I also question why PiS are continuing to have an open door to people from countries like Morocco, Algeria and Somalia where they have seriously outdated tribal views regarding religion. I'm absolutely bewildered why we would grant work permits to people from those countries to work in kebab.




Home / Life / Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland?
Click this icon to move up back to the quoted message. Bold Italic [quote]

 
To post as Guest, enter a temporary and unique username or login and post as a member.