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Why Do You Love Poland?


Lyzko 17 | 4,555    
8 Jun 2018  #721
Think dolno is quite familiar with the American Revolution, Rich!
Rich Mazur 5 | 756    
8 Jun 2018  #722
Going back to loving Poland.

"Loving Poland" means to me remembering the good times we personally experienced. First bike, first love, friends, etc. The older one is, the feeling of nostalgia and a desire to retrace the footsteps we took when we were young gets stronger. This is why I went to Radom where I spent 6 years living with my maternal grandmother until she died in 1953. I remember Bartodzieje and the creek where we would catch fish, she would later prepare for dinner. It was the best fish ever.

I no longer believe in God, but last September during my first visit I did go to the church na Sienkiewicza where I got my first communion. I had no interest in Krakow. Never been there before and I had no desire to mingle with "tourists".

Without those personal events, Radom would not make it to even a very long list of places to visit. So, do I love Radom? Nope. Am I emotionally and personally attached to this very average town? You bet.
Lyzko 17 | 4,555    
9 Jun 2018  #723
I'd go even one step further; Loving Poland means never having to say you're sorry. Compare with Germany: Loving Germany means ALWAYS having to say you're sorryLOL
CasualObserver    
9 Jun 2018  #724
That was absolutely worth it considering he was one of the highest ranking nazis and was basically in charge of the holocaust

It was also a strong psychological blow to the Nazis, helping to crack their 'invulnerable' mentality. Although the repercussions were severe.

Poland was lost we could have chosen to give up like the french

Don't replace one myth (cavalry charging tanks) with another. The French army and govt retreated to England and carried on fighting, just like the Polish army did after invasion and defeat. French troops landed on Sword Beach on d-day, French troops were also at Monte Cassino, as were Polish.

The ultimate outcome would have been the same without a single Pole in the fight,

Perhaps not quite true. The Polish squadrons in the RAF were considered highly important in the Battle of Britain, which was won on a knife-edge. Polish squadrons had some of the highest kill rates, and are still revered in Britain.

If the Battle had been lost then the Nazis would have invaded Britain, having gained air superiority, which would have meant total loss of the British, French, Polish and Canadian armies, and no foothold for the supply of men and supplies for the USA-led invasion on D-Day.

So, no Poles, possibly no victory at Battle of Britain, no D-Day, and no second front. Either the Nazis would have remained in power, the Soviets would have won the war and conquered all of Europe, or they would have made a peace with the Nazis and divided up Europe & Asia between them as superpowers. Either way, the USA would have been up sh1t creek, having been encircled by Axis and Soviet powers and a never-ending war of attrition (which it may well have lost).
dolnoslask 5 | 1,845    
9 Jun 2018  #725
A voice of sanity thank you casual observer
Rich Mazur 5 | 756    
9 Jun 2018  #726
So, no Poles, possibly no victory at Battle of Britain, no D-Day, and no second front.

False. A quote from wiadomosci.wp.pl/why-polish-pilots-didnt-save-britain-6031561987142273a

Why Polish Pilots Didn't Save Britain

Statistics are a dangerous thing to rely on, but some broad numbers are useful here. Polish pilots made up about five percent of the defenders and, according to their own claims, shot down 201 German aircraft, which is about 10 percent of the total. There is no doubt that Polish pilots, on average, were more effective than non-Polish pilots, but they were not so effective that the 2,750 other pilots might as well not have been there. The other 90 percent of German planes destroyed didn't shoot themselves down.

Highlighting is mine.

I will leave this without a comment as no comment is needed.
Rich Mazur 5 | 756    
9 Jun 2018  #727
Loving Poland means never having to say you're sorry.

I agree. It goes with pride more that love but I will take it anyway.

Like that 30,000 Poles were executed by the Germans for helping Jews. The equivalent number elsewhere in Western Europe was a single digit. Whatever led to these numbers being so dissimilar, these numbers speak for themselves very eloquently.
johnny reb 14 | 2,867    
9 Jun 2018  #728
I'd go even one step further

So will I, the United States Military was already there with their equipment and should have kept right on going and wiped out Russia while they were depleted and the getting was good and we wouldn't have these problems today.

The Lord knows the U.S. G.I.'s were ready to go do it.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,845    
9 Jun 2018  #729
I will leave this without a comment as no comment is needed.

Oh but it need a response and one in your very own style.

The casual observer used the term possibly, he did not say the poles won the battle.

Were you not the one one who made a link between comprehension and being a retard. by your own rules you should consider yourself a retard. whats the punishment for that in your little red book.
CasualObserver    
9 Jun 2018  #730
False.

Rather than take apart your numbers, I'll just refer you to the website of the Imperial War Museum (the official British military version of events): iwm.org.uk/history/the-polish-pilots-who-flew-in-the-battle-of-britain

...which contins this quote from the British Commander-in-Chief of the British & Allied air forces during the Battle of Britain:

"Commander-in-Chief of Fighter Command, Air Chief Marshal Sir Hugh Dowding, who once was so reluctant to allow Polish pilots into battle, summarised their contribution in probably the most telling way: 'Had it not been for the magnificent work of the Polish squadrons and their unsurpassed gallantry, I hesitate to say that the outcome of battle would have been the same'."

The highlighting is mine.

So, there you have it from the horse's mouth - the man in charge of the Battle, a Briton, who at first thought the Poles would be useless and didn't want them to engage in combat, but was then happy to admit in public that he was wrong, and went so far as to say the Polish contribution was likely decisive.

Are you as happy to admit that you are wrong?

The Lord knows the U.S. G.I.'s were ready to go do it.

The casualties would have been enormous, the Russians were dug in all the way to Moscow, and the Americans and British had been supplying them for 4 years so they were well-equipped and battle-hardened. The USA had an breaking its supply route and its allies were broken. The Russian Navy would also have attacked the USA from both sides, cutting the supply route to Europe and forcing it to fight on three fronts (Pacific, Atlantic, European).

^^

The USA had an ocean breaking ...

The USA would have lost if it had attacked Russia, with massive loss of life. It wouldn't even have had the range to drop the Bomb on major Russian targets.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,845    
9 Jun 2018  #731
Statistics are a dangerous thing to rely on,

They are.

Here is a history lesson (your history) made in Britain by the British.

Bloody foreigners. Untold Battle of Britain. (Polish subtitles)

gloria.tv/video/gMXmdvBQa8YT4BTgdtSCQ48Ek
CasualObserver    
9 Jun 2018  #732
Here is a history lesson (your history) made in Britain by the British.

And here is a more entertaining version, from the classic move 'The Battle of Britain'. Everyone in Britain who knows anything about WW2 knows about the Polish 303 squadron of the RAF. This movie is still shown at least once per year on British TV.

youtube.com/watch?v=yXf1bhEEXd0
Joss    
9 Jun 2018  #733
I would like to ask are there any genetical tests where you can test for specific nations DNA in you?

Can they differentiate between closely related nations, say Poles, Slovaks and Czech or are they grouped together?
Dirk diggler 7 | 2,971    
9 Jun 2018  #734
Poles shouldve let London burn, just like the brits let warsaw burn and refused to honor the mutual defense treaty. The British pilots were getting spanked by the luftwaffe because of terrible tactics. They would shoot enemy planes from far away while the poles would get as close as possible to them then open fire. It was that simple. Many historians say that the air war over Britain wouldve been lost if not for the poles. Poles.made up the largest non british contribution and scored the more kills with hawkers than any Brit.

All to defend a country that wouldn't help us when we needed it despite a treaty. They didn't want to upset hitler and preferred appeasing him by ceding parts of countries that weren't theirs to cede.

If only those polish soldiers could see what happened to the UK they defended... one trip back to London esp tower hamlets and theyd be glad that they sidnt live to see what become of the capital
Rich Mazur 5 | 756    
9 Jun 2018  #735
@dolnoslask
He wrote this:

So, no Poles, possibly no victory at Battle of Britain, no D-Day, and no second front.

Now, who is a retard with low reading comprehension?
CasualObserver    
9 Jun 2018  #736
All to defend a country that wouldn't help us when we needed it despite a treaty.

It was actually because they were unprepared to invade and attack - the treaty was to intimidate Germany not to attack rather than any expectation that it would stop an invasion that was underway. This is obvious if you consdier that there was no way to stop Germans invading Poland, as to get there the British and French would need to get through Germany first. The rapid defeat of the British and French armies when they did attack, leading the Dunkirk, shows that it would have been even more futile to attack Germany in September 1939 - they were not able to.

If London had been left to 'burn', then the Polish govt and remains of the army would also have gone up in smoke (it was exiled there), and there would have been almost no chance of Poland ever been liberated, even now - there would have been no European base from which the Americans could attack.

Nice of the Yanks to finally join the fight, of course. Two years later than everyone else.

Now, who is a retard with low reading comprehension?

You are, because you seem to have missed the importance of the word "possibly".

just like the brits let warsaw burn

Actually, when Warsaw was burning during the Uprising, 133 British pilots were shot down trying to make airdrops. About 50 of them are buried in Poland. Roosevelt wouldn't commit any American support, and was against making any airdrops, for fear of irritating Stalin before the Yalta conference. Of course, we know what happened at Yalta, where Poland was given up to the Soviets. By that point Churchill was basically a bystander, as the British Empire was bust and Churchill no longer had any operational influence over Roosevelt, who called the shots and had no interest in Poland. In Churchill's memoirs he says that what happened to Poland is one of his biggest regrets of the war.

So it's odd that such a Plastic Polish Patriot as yourself is happy to take citizenship and live in the country that did more to screw Poland than any other country except the USSR and Nazi Germany. They still wont even give Poles visa-free travel - don't trust 'em, do they? Good Ole Uncle Sam, eh? Your country.
Rich Mazur 5 | 756    
9 Jun 2018  #737
You are, because you seem to have missed the importance of the word "possibly".

"Possibly" I can be pope by Monday.

What a dumb a** game to play with escape words like this.
CasualObserver    
9 Jun 2018  #738
Only for simpletons, who might have trouble understanding what words mean.
Joss    
10 Jun 2018  #739
Looking at this map one can see a high correlation between being religious and hospitality.

Ireland, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Romania and Poland as the most religious Slavic country from those shown. So it makes sense to often see people talking about Polish hospitality but never Czech hospitality. Even Slovakia is much less religious. Btw most of these are also Catholic. Of course Russians are both sorta religious yet not very welcoming. But it seems this map could also list countries by hospitality:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Europe#/media/File%3AEurope_belief_in_god.svg

I myself am not that religious but I guess if you have nospiritual beliefs at all in a society many people become less hospitable? And this one is funny, it shows the percentage of people that are not religious neither spiritual. It could also be the rudest in Europe haha as France is the winner:

commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Europe_No_Belief_enhanced.svg#mw-jump-to-license
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #740
Looking at this map one can see a high correlation between being religious and hospitality.

But France is also Catholic, yet you show this as the least hospitable. Whereas Ireland and Spain are not really very Catholic anymore ('post-Catholic'?).

Iceland, Canada and New Zealand are also considered to be very friendly, but none of those are very religious.

Receiving hospitality also also depends on who you are - if you are black then I imagine Poland and Romania are less hospitable than, say, Netherlands.
Joss    
10 Jun 2018  #741
Yes but France is one of the most atheistic/least religious countries.
Dirk diggler 7 | 2,971    
10 Jun 2018  #742
Actually, when Warsaw was burning during the Uprising, 133 British pilots were shot down trying to make airdrops

Rofl wow they sent 133 pilots 5 years after the nazis invaded. Wow some help... where were they in 1939? Oh yeah they declared war, then sat on their asses until hitler was at their doorstep.

So it's odd that such a Plastic Polish Patriot as yourself is happy to take citizenship and live in the country that did more to screw Poland than any other

First off the decision wasnt up to me otherwise i wouldnt of left. Now that i am here i want to make as much money as i possibly can and bring it to poland, just like countless other poles, latinos, indians and other immigrants. Second, even despite all that poland trusts the US to protect them more than any other eu nation. That's why theyre willing to spend 2 billion to build a base.
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #743
Spain, Canada and ireland are also in the top 20, with more than 55% saying they're not religious.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion
Dirk diggler 7 | 2,971    
10 Jun 2018  #744
Yes but France is one of the most atheistic/least religious countries.

Only the native French, the muzzies are very religious. That's why theres so many mosques, ninja women, bearded flip flopistanis, etc
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #745
Rofl wow they sent 133 pilots 5 years after the nazis invaded

No, 133 were shot down during airdrops for the Warsaw Uprising. How many of your USA pilotys took part? That's right - none.

Oh yeah they declared war, then sat on their asses until hitler was at their doorstep.

You really don't read much, do you? The British Expeditionary Force landed in France in Sept 1939 and began the build-up under French command, to resists the German westward attack - with Germans moving west, they had to be defeated before Poland could ever be reached. The BEF and the French Army were defeated during the Battle of France in May 1940.

First off the decision wasnt up to me otherwise i wouldnt of left. Now that i am here i want to make as much money as i possibly can and bring it to poland

Yeah yeah, of course that's the reason, son! How much money is enough? What are you waiting for? Don;t you already have a business in Poland? What'ss topping you, besides being comfy on your lardy hamburger ass in Chicago?

Second, even despite all that poland trusts the US to protect them more than any other eu nation.

More fool them. Trump just said that Russia should be back in the G7, and wants sanctions lifted. That's the same Russia that plays wargames of invading Poland, and wont give Jarek the wreckage of his dead brother's plane, just to let Poland know who's holding the cards. But sure, Trump will go to war with his buddy Putin - keep on dreaming!
Dirk diggler 7 | 2,971    
10 Jun 2018  #746
The British Expeditionary Force landed in France in Sept 1939 and began the build-up under French command,

Yes, in France, not poland like the treaty stipulated which said thay british were to help poland with all their forces. They have a history of two timing though. They also two timed the Saudis and the Czechs during ww2.

And the british high tailed it on fisherman's boats insteaf of fighting rofl...

What'ss topping you, besides being comfy on your lardy hamburger ass in Chicago?

Lardy ass huh? Try 6'1 220 pounds. We can go toe to toe in the ring at a gym anyday any time. Lets meet in poland and get it done well see who the lard ass is.

And the reason why I'm still here is to finish a degree and reach my financial goal so I can live in a state of semi retirement once I move.

But sure, Trump will go to war with his buddy Putin

And yet despite all that poland still trusts the us to help them out. We all know how great the French and British are at fighting.

They can't even protect their own countries against unarmed invaders that are raping and pillaging their countries, settling up no go zones and a parallel society complete with sharia courts and you think thwyre going to stop the Russians?? Rofl!! Time and time again russia punks the UK and all they can do is wag their finger and say bad russia but theyll never go against putin and do the same **** he does because theyre too scared of him
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #747
Yes, in France, not poland like the treaty stipulated which said thay british were to help poland with all their forces.

Ever heard of a map? Look at it, and see what lies between Poland and Britain and France. Oh yeah - Germany! They mobilised troops on 4th September 1939.

When did your country, USA, mobilise troops again? Oh yeah, 1941!

Try 220 pounds.

And that's just your meathead...

And the reason why I'm still here is to finish a degree and reach my financial goal

Still at school, huh? That figures...

So, what IS your financial goal, before you will return to your beloved Poland and forsake the comfortable USA that means so much less to you? When will you give up your hypocritical life in Chicago, pretending that you're Polish from 4000 miles away, and put your money where your mouth is and actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?

Oh, you're waiting for x, y, z, huh? Not your fault, huh? Need just a little more time, huh? Or just haven't got the balls, huh?
Dirk diggler 7 | 2,971    
10 Jun 2018  #748
When did your country, USA, mobilise troops again? Oh yeah, 1941!

USA and Poland didn't have a mutual defense treaty - Poland and UK did.

Ever heard of a map?

Nope never. Seems the British didn't either as they could've went around Denmark and go into Poland from the north.

The treaty stipulated as follows:

... in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power. They have given the Polish Government an assurance to this effect.

'BOUND AT ONCE TO THE POLISH GOVERNMENT ALL SUPPORT IN THEIR POWER' - yeah bullsh1t.... they didn't even give the military loan we asked for, let alone any meaningful military support...

British politicians said of this treaty:

Lord Halifax stated: "We do not think this guarantee will be binding".
Alexander Cadogan wrote in his diary: "Naturally, our guarantee does not give any help to Poland. It can be said that it was cruel to Poland, even cynical".

All Britain ended up doing was giving Poland 9 million pounds - less than it gave to Turkey and a fraction of the 60 million Poles requested.

That's what you get with a bunch of two timing cowards.... At least Poles now know who will be most likely to come to their aid...
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #749
Yeah yeah, remind me again how many Yank troops stepped foot in Poland during WW2, and how many 'cowards' are buried there? Zero. Too pussy to even fly over it. That's your team - Team USA.

What was Roosevelt's gameplan at Yalta? Oh yeah, "sure you can have Poland, Joe!"

What's the current USA policy on Russia, which is the major territorial threat to Poland? "Sure you can invade bits of eastenr Europe and keep it, Vlad! Sure I'll help you lift sanctions and come back into the G7, Vlad!"

So, when you moving to Poland, then? What's the specific checkboxes you're waiting for? Pigs flying, or the Second Coming?
Rich Mazur 5 | 756    
10 Jun 2018  #750
which is the major territorial threat to Poland?

Why would Russia invade Poland?




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