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Why Do You Love Poland?


slawekPL    
7 Jun 2018  #691
Do you live in Poland Slawek? Were you here?

Yes, born and raised in PL. If there were no local Polish competitiors then why did citibank buy and take over Bank Handlowy?

So why did the us and EU companies take over, buy, destroy and bankrupt at least 55k+ Polish companies, incl. plants and mines in the last 30 years?
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
7 Jun 2018  #692
@Rich Mazur - What was the point in fighting tanks on horses?- Hmm horses were towering over the tanks at the time. Plus it was easier to catch such a tank, chasing German talks on foots was a bit more tricky.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
7 Jun 2018  #693
Sad that someone of his young years succoured to the soviet propaganda of the time, what were his parents thinking by not teaching him true Polish history.

"The myth however endured as after the end of the War, Soviet propaganda made it and example of stupidity of pre-war Polish commanders careless of their soldiers. The myth perdured still in the 1990s, as shown by many generalist publications about WW2."

tanks-encyclopedia.com/articles/tactics/Polish-cav-charge-at-krojanty

"the Polish cavalry charged and dispersed a German infantry battalion. Machine gun fire from German armoured cars that appeared from a nearby forest forced the Poles to retreat. However, the attack successfully delayed the German advance, allowing the Polish 1st Rifle battalion and Czersk Operational Group to withdraw safely."

" false reports of Polish cavalry attacking German tanks. Nazi propaganda[3] took advantage of this, suggesting that the Poles attacked intentionally"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_at_Krojanty

Sorry about the Quoting mods, But its Important to bust this Myth/Propaganda , especially if it has infected one of our Diaspora.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
7 Jun 2018  #694
He's not Polish.
Dougpol1 24 | 1,897    
7 Jun 2018  #695
why did citibank buy and take over Bank Handlowy?

Yes, I was a customer. They were the only bank who would pay out on international bankers' draft. The word in Katowice at the time was the bank was under capitalised and it was an aggressive takeover. Dunno; I was pretty shocked too, thinking BH w Warszawie was a big player. Wrong.

Same with a lot of the plants. Restructuring. Asset stripped. Reverse takeovers. Wholemeal closures. It was bitter, but hats off to Balcerowicz, otherwise Katowice would still be in the dark ages, instead of the viable metropolis it is today. As for the coal mines, it's a shame, but Margaret Thatcher, hated as she was, has been proved right when she realised that coal was of a bygone age. Her decision to decimate the UK coal industry, and Polands' decision to "invest" in Polish coal is political too.

And costs a lot of lives:( :(
All of the above had to go. Progress. No investment from the west, and you would still be shovelling coal into your cellars like your parents before you. Ask them if they enjoyed it.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
7 Jun 2018  #696
Tanks, machine guns - who cares. It's the futility of it that is on the table.

But Polish people like heros. After all, it's easier to get a monument that way then by negotiating an inevitable surrender earlier to avoid massive casualties and destruction.

The first question that had to be asked in 1939 was: can Poland be successful in repelling Germans if attacked? The answer was always no. Then, what's the point in dying for a lost cause? Or killing a drunk German soldier later?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
7 Jun 2018  #697
Killing Heydrich was best example of stupid kind of bravery.

Reinhardt heydrich? That was absolutely worth it considering he was one of the highest ranking nazis and was basically in charge of the holocaust

Even hitler stated he had a heart of steel because of his extreme cruelty. So yes I do think killing him was worth it.

Mindless patriots die first

So if a squad came to your house, plunder it, kill your wife and rape your daughters you woulsnt do anything to save your own skin?

What was the point in fighting tanks on horses?

Never happened. Widely propagated myth. Seeing as horses were still one of the main forms of transport and were also used by nazis, yes the poles did have horses.

On that note there's an awesome video online where a FSA guy throws a grenade down the barrel of a Syrian t72. Now youd think whats a civilian going to do against 3 4 dudes in a tank. Yet he totally owned them.

But Polish people like heros.

Most nationalities revere heroes and dislike cowards. A lot of your statements though appears that with you its the opposite.

If you dislike polish people so much, poles as a nationality, polish history, and basically everything polish why are you still posting here? Its an honest question I'm not trolling.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
7 Jun 2018  #698
then by negotiating an inevitable surrender

Proves you know nothing about our people, you need to go to France for the above.

The British were happy with us taking risks and engaging the enemy at ultra close range during the Battle of Britain.

Poland was lost we could have chosen to give up like the french , instead we picked ourselves up and fought alongside our allies
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
7 Jun 2018  #699
destroy and bankrupt at least 55k+ Polish companies, incl. plants and mines in the last 30 years?

Including Bernie sanders. Man do the poles in his home town hate that family lol.

That was especially prevalent in the years after communism collapsed. Not nearly as bad as in Russia or Ukraine though. And the former commies were all too happy to help. Most of them are now in PO and have been resisting lustration efforts ever since. Only a fraction of the dealings have been uncovered since. Even now po hates the fact that now its pis turn to skim off the top of the eu investment funds. They're mad because now the money for road constructions, building new gyms, new rail lines all sorts of sh1t all the contracts will go to pis friendly people. PO had its day and they ****** it up. Honestly I think if po was more assertive toward the eu and refused to bring in migrants then poles would he more trusting of tjem and theyd have more seats. But that was a huge red line for poles and the majority of poles can't forgive PO for that.

But yeah uou could buy a factory worth 2 mil for like 10% of the cost back then.

In ukraine it was similar recently ad the government was selling assets for pennies on the dollar to raise funds for the war as quickly as possible.
johnny reb 15 | 3,075    :-(
7 Jun 2018  #700
we could have chosen to give up like the french

My father told a story of marching through French towns with their heavy gear only to have the French men sitting on their front porches waving at the U.S G.I.'s as they passed by.

I won't post what else he said about the worthless French.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
7 Jun 2018  #701
.....we could have chosen to give up like the french , instead we picked ourselves up and fought alongside our allies and fought alongside our allies

I was refering to the September 1939 part of the war.

The French didn't "give" up. Like Poland, they were defeated.

You are making my point without even realizing it. Only those who DID NOT die in September were able to fight "alongside our allies".

Finally, the Polish self-importance shows through again. The ultimate outcome would have been the same without a single Pole in the fight, their bravery notwithstanding. It was the US and the Soviets that won the war.

Its an honest question I'm not trolling.

It's a very good question. I know I should stop. Thanks for reminding me.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
7 Jun 2018  #702
The French didn't "give" up. Like Poland, they were defeated.

The poles held out longer than the French. They never stopped fighting a guerilla war even with 5 6 years of the nazis occupying them. The French gave up pure and simple. Yes they were militarily defeated within a few weeks and stopped fighring altogether. They signed treaties giving up france to The nazis. Hitler even brought the very railroad car that the Versailles treaty was signed in to have the French sign over their country. Thats the difference. The poles never did that they never signed over their country and fought with everything they could for as long as the nazis were there.
Miloslaw 6 | 389    
7 Jun 2018  #703
Rich Mazur has truly exposed himself now.
All those elaborate,contradictory stories about how he left Poland.....gone.
He is not a Pole.
A troll for sure..
What his aim is and who he really is cannot be deduced from his posts.
Only guessed at.
But he's proven now,beyond doubt,that he's not a Pole.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
7 Jun 2018  #704
. The ultimate outcome would have been the same without a single Pole in the fight, their bravery

We did our bit for the freedom of Europe on the side of our allies, we won many battles, but for us we lost the war, But Poland can hold it's head high because its stood with its allies until the bitter end for this we have their respect to this day, we played our part we stood against the Nazis and communists, yes It's sad we lost our country.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
7 Jun 2018  #705
But Poland can hold it's head high because its stood with its allies

...who sold Poland in Yalta.

With allies like that...
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
7 Jun 2018  #706
Your answer is random politicians.

I stand by the allied and British and american soldiers that gave their lives for the freedom of Europe in the same way as Poles did

I stand with the people not the politicians I note the Americans effort where Europe was not their fight, standing at the cemetery at Omaha beach makes your heart skip a beat at the huge loss they incurred to make that first step for the freedom of Europe.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
7 Jun 2018  #707
I stand by the allied and British and american soldiers that gave their lives for the freedom of Europe in the same way as Poles did

Please don't use the word "give" in this context. "Give" implies choice and consent. Those poor guys had neither.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
7 Jun 2018  #708
I used the word gave, Britain was being bombed out of existence and about to be invaded, The Americans had suffered huge losses at the hands of the German Allied Japanese, The choice was to fight or forever live under the boot of the Japs or Germans, no your answer is they had no choice but to fight for the freedom of their country and their families.

You sound more like Harry every post you make
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
7 Jun 2018  #709
your answer is they had no choice but to fight for the freedom of their country and their families.

You are distorting. I objected to "giving life", not to "fight for freedom". Americans never fought for their freedom even once.

Japan was not planning to bring any "boots" to the US. In fact, the attack on PH was limited to the US Navy only. So there was never any threat that Americans would be learning Japanese any day soon. Plus, PH was a deliberate setup by the US to rile up the reluctant masses. Or an act of criminal irresponsibility to have so many ships at one place with the WW2 in full swing. Does the word "moron" come to mind?

"Freedom of their country and their families" - meaning the US and the Americans - was never under threat. The American losses were incurred not by protecting the US, but while delivering things to the UK. Supplying UK was voluntary and had nothing to do with defending the US. Hitler declared war, but it was up to the US to decide what to do with that idiot's megalomaniac move.
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
8 Jun 2018  #710
Tanks, machine guns - who cares

dude, I have answered your question. What the hell is wrong with you? You got your answer.
Now, you are telling me you don't care about the answer. Go F Y MF!
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
8 Jun 2018  #711
I have answered your question.

I didn't ask you any because I am not curious.
Crow 141 | 7,009    
8 Jun 2018  #712
If you people love Poland then criticize Poland. A lot of. That is love- criticism of cretenic policy of official Poland.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
8 Jun 2018  #713
What's "cretenic"?
Crow 141 | 7,009    
8 Jun 2018  #714
Kreteni. Kretenska vlada = Kretenik government.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Jun 2018  #715
Americans never fought for their freedom even once.

So there was no war of independence against the Brits, thanks for clearing that one up along with Polish tank charges.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
8 Jun 2018  #716
The revolutionary war was about taxes, not a fight for survival.

It's telling that you had to undust the events from 1775 to make your point. Fail.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Jun 2018  #717
, not a fight for survival.

You said freedom not survival.

Americans never fought for their freedom even once.

Standing up to a foreign occupier and paying their taxes where you get no benefit or representation is a case of freedom

Stop with your Harryisms.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
8 Jun 2018  #718
Standing up to a foreign occupier and paying their taxes where you get no benefit or representation is a case of freedom

Stop being ridiculous. The quote above applies to the Americans TODAY. Just in case you will try to debate "foreign occupier", the cabal of globalists, aided and abetted by the domestic vermin like Google and Zuckerberg, plundering the US Treasury and the American taxpayers via crap like global warming, WTO, etc fits the bill. Not every enemy carries RPG's.

What a reasonable person means by freedom is the freedom from being shot by the invading, foreign army. Not a freedom from taxes, freedom to b****, or freedom from the raping hordes of muslims.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
8 Jun 2018  #719
Oh I see you didn't tell me the rules of this game you are playing so how am I to know how your mind thinks.

With all the problems you have above looks like Poland is the better place to be, and I guess that's why I love it.

We also have no Hoards of Rich Mazur In Poland, which is a bonus in it's own right.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
8 Jun 2018  #720
how your mind thinks.

OK. This is how me thinks:

The US never fought an army trying to invade it.

Simple enough or would like me to define "never"? Or how about "an"?




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