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Why Do You Love Poland?


Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
10 Jun 2018  #751
Again, irrelevant as Poland and USA did not have a mutual defense treaty - Poland and UK did which Poland honored, UK did not...

Yes it makes sense for Russia to be part of the talks and the group to be the G8 again. You don't have to like someone or even a country to discuss geopolitical issues with them. USA and Russia did great work together knocking out the ISIS terrorists. Nonetheless, if US troops were stationed in Poland and Putins forces killed them the relationship would sour immediately. Also don't forget that US sent lethal arms to Ukraine to push back the Russians.

So, when you moving to Poland, then?

Na Swietego Dygdy...

Besides, this is about why people love Poland...

And that's one of the reasons why I love Poland - Poles are fighters. They don't give up. We've been through occupations, partitions, wiped off the map, invaded by two super powers at the same time, lived under the USSR's fist for decades - yet we always persevered and overcame.

It'll be the same with the EU's dictates. We will hold out, along with our Hungarian friends, against the insanity of the EU. We will not allow our country's independence to be undermined and a socialist system be enacted again.

When PJPII came to Poland the Poles didn't saw we wanted money, we wanted wealth, or even freedom for that matter - we Poles said 'We want GOD!'

And it's no different today. Poles are arguably the most patriotic, socially conservative people in Europe. We fought hard to keep our traditions, our history and even our language from being wiped out. Yesterday they tried to defeat us with tanks, today they're trying to defeat us with bureaucracy and migrants. It doesn't matter - they can bring it. We're not going to give up and we'll keep resisting for as long as we need to.

Just as in the late 80's, our example is inspiring other countries. Back then, the Solidarnosc movement gave hope to the other satellite nations. Today, Poland and Hungary set the standard for refusing the EU and its ludicrous quotes. Europeans realized that the taboo has been broken and it's okay to vote for parties which will put the needs of native citizens first. Now you have populist nationalist parties in Hungary, Slovakia, Czechy, Austria and now Italy's government is taking shape. Now another country has been added to the list - Slovenia which too is rejecting the EUs dictates and asserting its independence.

Poles lead the way in defying the EU and the movement has spread - even in the heart of the EU's social Marxism in Germany AfD has went from being a total fringe party to the 3rd largest in just one election.
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #752
This is irrelevant anyway actually.. this is about why people love Poland...

Indeed. So, explain to readers at what point, exactly, your love of Poland will outweigh your comfortable settled life in Chicago, and at what point you''ll grow a pair to actually move to Poland and build you life there?

Y'know, making your business there so all your taxes go to building up poland instead of taxes going to the USA (which is currently being friends with Russia), contributing to Polish society as a resident citizen, rather than the USA? Giving all the jobs to Poles instead of Americans? Voting in Polish elections instead of American ones? Being Proper Polish, rather than an American 'Plastic Pole'?

'How deep is your love' of Poland? Deep enough to commit yourself to it, or more of a long-distance relationship?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
10 Jun 2018  #753
So, explain to readers at what point, exactly

Like it's any of their concern... much less something that they're interested in what some dude on the internet they've never met will do or won't do

making your business there so all your taxes go to building up poland

First off, I already pay taxes in Poland and regardless of whether I live in USA, Poland or Nigeria I will confer with local tax lawyers and accountants to pay the least amount of taxes legally possible. And FYI I do hire Poles. How many jobs have you provided to Poles by working in the 'native English' field?

'How deep is your love' of Poland? Deep enough to commit yourself to it, or more of a long-distance relationship?

More like a 'no strings attached' love. I've never been a fan of commitment. Even once I move I'll still keep an open line to the US and keep some money and stuff here in the event I need to move back.

Buuuut I do love Poland because there is very few people like Harry around. It is a society full of hard working intelligent people who balance a modern lifestyle with socially conservative beliefs and traditions.
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #754
More like a 'no strings attached' love.

Ah, I geddit, you want the benefits of membership of the 'club', but with no or minimal committments to the country, people or society. You want the best deal for yourself, first and foremost. You're a parasite. Thanks for answering.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
10 Jun 2018  #755
You want the best deal for yourself, first and foremost.

Pretty much... myself and my family... such is life... why would someone knowingly want a bad deal lol

but with no or minimal commitment to the country, people or society

Rofl 'commitments'? What 'commitments' exactly? My obligation is to pay the amount of taxes that I'm legally obligated to pay - that's it. Should Poland be attacked, then yes I will grab my gun and join the fray. Otherwise I'm there to enjoy the fruits of my labor and low cost of living so I can live in a state of semiretirement and enjoy my life.

And wtf are you talking about 'benefits of membership' of the 'club'? The only 'membership of the club' is a thing called citizenship and every citizen has the same benefits regardless of whether they spend everyday volunteering at a childrens hospital, are a wealthy dude driving around in a Mercedes S550, or are the bum asking for groszy so he can buy another bottle and don't pay any taxes.

You're a parasite.

Says the LBH who left to take advantage of the low cost of living because you couldn't get any decent job back home... and you still don't even speak Polish...
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #756
Pretty much... myself and my family... such is life...

They're not the words of a patriot. A patriot puts the country first.

Rofl 'commitments'? What 'commitments' exactly? My obligation is to pay the amount of taxes that I'm legally obligated to pay - that's it.

Yeah, but you're paying more to the USA than to Poland, aren't you? Supporting a 'foreign power' that is cosying up to the Big Bad Russia. If you moved to Poland, then all of your effort, labour and taxes would be in support of Poland and Poles. But oddly you don't want to do that - you could do it tomorrow: transfer your degree (supporting a Polish university), build your business in Poland and pour all your taxes and job creation there, be a good neighbour to Poles. But instead, you prefer a more comfortable life in Chicago, because you're not committed enough to Poland to take a modest cut in living standards and put the work in.

And yet you say that you'll pick up a gun to support Poland? You wont even pick up a plane ticket and a suitcase! That doesn't sound like love - it sounds like a user, a parasite, who wants to the 'belonging' of being a Pole without actually being a Real Pole.

You talk the talk on the internet, but you seem very reluctant to walk the walk, coming up with endless excuses. If you really love Poland, and you are really Polish, then with your Polish passport you could move there tomorrow. But, oddly, you always find an excuse not to....

Curious, but very telling ;)
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
10 Jun 2018  #757
All of a sudden, I feel so much better having no mental agonies like that.

No, I don't love Poland. No, I will never move there. No, I will not run to Poland to fight Russia - my age aside.

Life can be very simple.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
10 Jun 2018  #758
Polish passport you could move there tomorrow

You're right, I absolutely could. However, I don't make such important decisions based on emotions and feelings. I don't want to move to Poland to work - nonetheless should things not work out I'll at least have an MBA in the event I need to get back into the corporate world. It's always good to have a plan b. If I wanted to live on 10k-12k z's a month I would've taken the job at google Wroclaw or for a norse shipping company years ago if that's what I wanted. Although that's a decent salary by Polish standards I'd just end up spinning my wheels - that's why i prefer to stay in the US, keep putting aside money from our construction biz while launching a new venture which I can run from anywhere in the world. Seeing as the concept of entreprenuership, saving, investing and retirement planning is foreign to you, I don't expect you to understand that this is the safest option and the best bet to reaching a goal of semi-retirement.

who wants to the 'belonging' of being a Pole without actually being a Real Pole.

I don't need to 'want' to be a 'real Pole' - I am one, unlike you no matter how much time, money, or taxes you pay into Poland you're still not a Pole, you're an LBH...

you are really Polish

You're right my passport and birth certificate both have typos - I'm actually North Korean, born in Pyongyang.

Not sure why you keep saying this. I'm not an ex-pat.

Everyone knows you're harry. stop pretending. You came here with that username originally posting in the bialowieza thread out of the blue yet you somehow knew everything about everyone - me, johnny, joker, etc... even things that were brought up years ago and things that only a poster that's been here as long as and frequrently as harry (which curiously never posted since) would know...

Now I'm out for the night toodleoo
CasualObserver    
10 Jun 2018  #759
Seeing as the concept of entreprenuership, saving, investing and retirement planning is foreign to you, I don't expect you to understand

No, I do understand completely. It means that your love of your life in the USA is greater than your love of Poland. So you're an American patriot before a Polish one, no matter what you say. You would rather live in the USA right now than in Poland, even though you are perfectly able to do either - you have voted with your feet.

That's fine, good luck to you, but don't profess to love Poland and be willingto pick up a gun when you clearly put many other things before it.

unlike you no matter how much time, money, or taxes you pay into Poland you're still not a Pole

No, I'm not, and I don't profess to be or want to be. Not sure why you think you're 'skewering' me here. I'm not Polish and don't claim to be. Very relaxed about that!

I'm very comfortbale with my identity. I feel quite sorry for those whose identity lies somewhere in the North Atlantic, and they claim every so strongly to belong to something 4000 miles away from where they choose to live, love and work. To quote an orange-faced moron: "SAD!"
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
10 Jun 2018  #760
In another thread I tried to point out how we abused love into an almost meaningless four-letter word. Just like kurwa and f***, at the other end of the verbal spectrum. This thread suffers from the same malady.

We don't assign numbers to love to show how much we love what, but maybe we should. The strongest love is that of our own child - the weakest for the objects, or even a country.

If the love for your country you left decades ago is 1 on the love meter, how much do you love your son - sitting in his room right now - on the same numerical scale?

There is no such number, as both cannot be placed on the same scale. If you can, you need help.

You is editorial
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
11 Jun 2018  #761
My admiration for Poland goes through the roof whenever EU is pissed off.

I developed this Pavlovian reflex: If EU hates it, Poland must be doing something right.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
11 Jun 2018  #762
My admiration for Poland goes through the roof whenever EU is pissed off.

Same. Poland and Hungary are leading the fight against the eus overstepping nd forcing countries to taken in migrants and so all sorts of ****. Now you have austria, Italy, slovenia even to an extent germany putting in euroskeptic populist nationalist parties and people. Eu is terrifies that italy will have a redendum to ditch the euro.
Warnick - | 4    
12 Jul 2018  #763
Let's see, I love the Autumns, the mountains, the sea, and I really enjoy some Polish food.
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
12 Jul 2018  #764
No, I don't love Poland.

No one has ever expected that from you. On the contrary, a lot of people would be happy if you just forgot about Poland and stopped polluting the PolishForums with your dislike for Poland.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
13 Jul 2018  #765
I changed my mind. I do love Poland and the Polish people for their consistency. Just like that woman in a Warsaw hospital who couldn't force herself to say more than just 'no' or its equivalents, the security guy at the Polish consulate in Chicago told me today that I have to have an appointment. No appointment, no go. Since I was already there after an hour on the road and 12 bucks for parking, I asked if I could make an appointment while I was still there. Nie. You have to make it on our website.

We all know that all government employees are genetically defective and, emboldened by that fact that they work for monopolies, tend to act out their frustrations on their victims like me. But there is this special kind that can be hatched and trained to be a super indifferent and passive-aggressive a-hole like that government hospital employee I mentioned above and him.

Since I don't enjoy being treated in the US, the consulate special status aside, as if I were still in Poland, I told him that I don't have internet. Then, you can ask your daughter or son to help you. I don't have any family or friends, and my IQ is not high enough to learn how to go on the Internet.

This is when the guy realized that I am not like any other sheep that can be made to go away with a bulls*** line. Please come in and go to the first window. OK, thanks.

My point is that making an attempt to see if there is a cancellation or an opening later today was not even on this a-hole short list. He was clearly so very proud to be just a mindless rule enforcer. Leaving that place was an experience as liberating as leaving Poland in 1966 and three month ago.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
14 Jul 2018  #766
the guy realized that I am not like any other sheep

You see you can have fun in Poland.

The truth is Poland is very Polish, you will find regular circumstances as follows:

a guy I know bought second hand car then find out the guy cut out the catalytic converter for scrap, so when he needs to get it road tested it will fail.

People lie, cheat,take the easy option at all times, and its acceptable there is even a special word for it here kombinowańá

The latest for me is the postie was not delivering parcels, just leaving notes saying I was not in so I had to drive down to the post office to collect them.

Anyway I reviewed the cctv on the front porch and all he did was post a pre filled out note and did not even knock. the door.

When confronted he swore blindly he had tried to deliver, you should have seen his face when I pointed out the camera, haha he said he would take more care in the future lol.

Its all part of the fun here you constantly have to watch out, being awkward and cheating is a national sport.

I treat it all as one big game especially the bureaucracy, on the plus side it makes thing very difficult for any old riff raff that thinks Poland is an easy touch.

Ok what is tough is the fact that your intelligence is constantly being insulted by the childish attempts to extort fob off and lie.

You get used to it after a while, its only a game.
mafketis 16 | 5,899    
14 Jul 2018  #767
leaving Poland in 1966 and three month ago.

an imaginary event that no one here believes, you silly Mazurek.

the guy realized that I am not like any other sheep

yeah, you're more like what they leave behind in the fields...
polishinvestor 1 | 362    
14 Jul 2018  #768
Its all part of the fun here you constantly have to watch out, being awkward and cheating is a national sport.

That makes their actions predictable. And if you are the counterparty, it makes for an easy life.
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
14 Jul 2018  #769
That makes their actions predictable

Even I didn't see the this coming see below:-

Guy in the village dies and family put sale house up for sale, I was interested to buy it for my bro, wonderful secluded garden,, next thing I know is that his neighbour goes into the garden, chops down every single tree for firewood, only tree stumps to be seen., he must have the most expensive firewood in Poland. oh hang on it's cost his neighbours family, no one is going to want to sit out in that martian landscape. or maybe that's how the natives around here like things.

Laugh a minute here that's for sure.

If the mods don't mind I will keep you all posted on life in Dolnoland.
polishinvestor 1 | 362    
15 Jul 2018  #770
Doesn't surprise me, esp in the wioski. And if caught, he will still have pretensje and complain that life isnt fair. That's often the village mindset sadly. Cheat until caught then look for mercy.
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
15 Jul 2018  #771
People lie, cheat,take the easy option at all times,

Same do and some don't.
Ironside 47 | 9,041    
15 Jul 2018  #772
hat's often the village mindset sadly.

Don't be an idiot it has nothing to do with courtside versus townies. The majority of Poles has PSD in one form or other.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,382    
16 Jul 2018  #773
Lyzko posted this: ...President Gustav Heinemann when asked by the press whether he loves his country, he responded, "I love my wife".

Perfect post, perfect answer.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
16 Jul 2018  #774
Cheat until caught then look for mercy.

Poles don't cheat, they 'kombinuja' which is more like contriving or hustling

It's a leftover from the prl and taught to the youth to make wealthier westerners or ignorant/naive people part with their money whether it's uks benefit system, uninformed people remodeling their house or flipping cars houses maxinizing the usefulness or whatever else to make money. Poles on average have a better existence than the average person in the us, UK etc. Poles work hard and they hustle that's why you have so many poles who came with a few bucks in.their pocket and today they're driving around in a 70k bmw looking for their next mcmansion
dolnoslask 5 | 1,918    
16 Jul 2018  #775
they hustle

Problem is that people get hustled once and never go back to that person or company again, this national sport is damaging Poland financially, from experience its simpler and more secure to get things done in China than it is in Poland'

From what I have seen on the ground I would never invest my or shareholders money in Poland, its much simper elsewhere.

But still a good place to live if you don't have to run the gauntlet of being ripped off if you happen to be (as you said) the unfortunate "wealthier westerners or ignorant/naive people".

And ass you probably know Dirk, you always need to watch your back here.

Nigerians could probably learn a thing or two if they spent some time in Poland.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
16 Jul 2018  #776
Kombinowanie could be as simple as being a cheapskate not reciprocating a lunch with a coworker or it can be something as serious as crooked real estate agents and title companies ripping a foreign investor of his or her entire property.

Americans and much of western Europe do the same thing, but they do It through bureaucracy and whatever bogus things their lawyer put into a contract or specific words which imply a legal contract when over the phone. End result is basically the same - rip off the suckers and unknknowledgeable.

From what I have seen on the ground I would never invest my or shareholders money in Poland,

It's a risky proposition I don't blame you. Even now long after the amber gold scandal poles have been afraid of investing into the pl market. But the big swinging dicks running billion dollar companies do find Poland as a great place to invest but mainly just for cheaper labor that's just as skilled as those to the west for half of the cost.
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
16 Jul 2018  #777
next thing I know is that his neighbour goes into the garden, chops down every single tree for firewood, only tree stumps to be seen

This is absolutely scandalous. This was a theft, but I do wonder if the local police seriously moved their ass even once they received a complaint from the family.

Even now long after the amber gold scandal poles have been afraid of investing into the pl market.

The AmberGold business was a sort of unregulated OTC trade as far as I know. On the contrary, the real capital market in Poland at present is much over-regulated which makes companies very reluctunt to step onto it. The number of IPO's is decreasing year by year, on the other hand more and more companies are willing to get out as the cost and the risk of remaining grows. The present PiS government is not in particular favour of the capital market developing, but instead they would like to see more aspects of economic life going directly under state control. I have an impression that the capital market is slowly dying out in Poland.

If you want to ask a question why it was possible to let the AmberGold affair progress in Poland, you should first try to answer why the Madoff affair which was far bigger was made possible to grow in the US.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
16 Jul 2018  #778
on the other hand more and more companies are willing to get out as the cost and the risk of remaining grows.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote except that as stats show otherwise. Fdi continues to flow in, gdp is growing like crazy for a small developed (according to oecd) country, unemployment is at record lows, salaries are increasing, etc. It seems like every week there's news that a foreign company is building an office, factory or some other ppe addition to their balance sheets.

euronews.com/2018/01/23/why-poland-is-a-top-fdi-destination
tradingeconomics.com/poland/foreign-direct-investment
fdiintelligence.com/Locations/Europe/Poland/Poland-FDI-spikes-in-2017

In 2017, investments into Poland continued to climb, with a 23.16% increase from the previous year. Equally, jobs creation and capital expenditure into Poland experienced a considerable growth between 2016 and 2017, with an incline of 52.08% and 48.03% respectively.

Also worth a read
oecd.org/economy/poland-economic-forecast-summary.htm
Ziemowit 10 | 2,956    
16 Jul 2018  #779
except that as stats show otherwise

More companies are willing to get out of the (regulated) capital market in Poland was what I meant there. Investing on the stock exchange is thus becoming less and less popular here in Poland. There is a big irony in the fact that the capital market is over-regulated, yet the state institutions cannot hold businesses like AmberGold in check. And it is not the case of PO being in power as there has now emerged another financial scandal which is bigger than the one of AmberGold. This time, GetBack, a company whose career on the Warsaw Stock Exchange had been tremendous up to a certain point, has been disclosed as yet another bubble. The company's IPO on the 17th of July 2018 was a great success with the capitalization of 1,85 bilion zloty and it then increased even further reaching 3 billion in several months.

Now the company has turned out to be a bubble.
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,404    
16 Jul 2018  #780
meant there. Investing on the stock exchange is thus becoming less and less popular here in Poland.

Oh yea well that I totally agree with. Nonetheless though much of the ownership in wig30 companies is foreign especially german

IPO

Many ipos are hype only to have a huge correction soon after, although not nearly as bad as ICOs. Now if you have shares in a company that's going public and sell it soon after you'll make a ton of money, even if it turns out that company was way overvalued.




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