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How are electric cars doing in Poland?


Vlad1234 16 | 716
2 Aug 2020 #211
It doesn't look like Poland does have any significant discovered Lithium reserves. No European country do. Most of reserves are located in South America.
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
3 Aug 2020 #212
Quite soon, Tesla's could reap an extraordinary cash infusion, perhaps as much as $40 billion.
Where are the competitors ?

youtube.com/watch?v=9h_CL1JxbCU
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
28 Aug 2020 #213
Looks like Tesla are finished. The stock is at $260 and in freefall,

Really, Tesla closed today, (three years later) at $2232.

All those people shorting Tesla are laughing right now, and the stock is headed for the basement.

Quite the contrary.

Tesla isn't even in the top five sellers here

And it only took two years for Tesla to take over the top spot.
The Model S, Model X and since 2019 the Model 3 have taken the all electric brand to new heights, selling over 100,000 cars in Europe, with the Model 3 as the best selling EV in the continent, ahead of the much cheaper Renault Zoe and Nissan Leaf.

Never panic.

Tesla today is worth between $ 45 to $ 50 Billion and Musk is still at the helm.

The people who still hold the stocks tend to be people who didn't react fast enough. Investors in Europe and Asia are shorting those stocks

People in Europe ?
You know any of them by their first name ?

I for one would have to disagree with that as the Tesla is selling itself today.
Poland missed an huge opportunity when Musk wanted to put a Tesla plant in Wroclaw.

Tesla is now available in Poland.
en.smartme.pl/Tesla-in-Poland/
And look at those comfortable lavish leather seats and don't forget the all wheel drive for winter driving in the snow.
0 to 100 kph in 5.6 seconds.

He's finished alright.
Actually Elon Musk's personal net worth is over 100 Billion today.

America workers are the top producers in the world so they are use to working 60 plus hours a week.

Rome was not built in a day but then again Musk wasn't ahead of that job.
Maybe he will choose Poland to base his Space X program to put private citizens into space travel.
Coming soon.............
Cargo pants 2 | 560
28 Aug 2020 #214
lol these so called PF intellects have lots of advice for every one here as they know it all but still working in there life to make ends meet teaching English coming from UK to Poland for cheap high life.They have no clue whatsoever about the reality of life and boasting about crap things like living in a 5 star hotel etc.There use to be a time here when mentioning English teachers or even cheap high life would get you suspended.Made me laugh when they would talk about stocks living on a teachers salary in Poland with family to feed and boasting about living in a expensive neighborhood in Warsaw lol.

Brits now in Poland have a bad reputation among Poles,who are more qualified and better of these economic migrants who cant make it in Uk and are trying to hustle in Poland.
Vlad1234 16 | 716
28 Aug 2020 #215
Actually Elon Musk's personal net worth is over 100 Billion today.

Hopefully, his personal scientific inventiveness and creative output matches this net worth...
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
28 Aug 2020 #216
Hopefully ? lol
Google "Space X" to educate yourself on such a jealous remark.
Space Exploration Technologies Corp., trading as SpaceX, is an American aerospace manufacturer and space transportation services company headquartered in Hawthorne, California. It was founded in 2002 by Elon Musk with the goal of reducing space transportation costs to enable the colonization of Mars. SpaceX has developed several launch vehicles, the Starlink satellite constellation, the Dragon cargo spacecraft, and flown humans to the International Space Station on the Crew Dragon Demo-2.

One would have to come to the conclusion that your "hopefully" more then matches his net worth.
Now can we get back on topic about Elon Musk wanting to put a Tesla plant in Wroclaw that would create many jobs for that area not to mention the tax base it would create for Poland.

Poland should take note on the Tesla plant that Musk put in Berlin and invite him to Poland with open arms.
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
8 Sep 2020 #217
We have established that in the next 10 to 20 years electric cars will replace gasoline engine cars.
Now it's just a beginning and Poland should be jumping in.
Three key factors give Tesla a edge for the competition. (1) "Million Mile" Battery.
I am looking forward to Tesla's "Battery Day" on Sept. 22.
At that event, analysts are expecting Tesla to announce some breakthrough technology, including a new battery with the ability to last as long as 1 million miles.

(2) Autopilot, 'Almost Self Driving'......... Tesla is at the leading position there.
(3) Production and demand trajectory in China for Tesla remains robust and stronger than expected for its third quarter with clear momentum heading into years end.

Poland should open the doors for a huge Tesla plant to be built there.
Cargo pants 2 | 560
8 Sep 2020 #218
next 10 to 20 years electric cars will replace gasoline engine cars

Not that early JR.They are still selling gas cars which last over 20 years and will be selling them for another 10 years at least.The big gas stations like Exxon,Shell,Sheetz and WAWA etc around me are still signing 50 year leases and yes they do want to have electric stations built also.But total eradication of gas cars is no where in sight.
Vlad1234 16 | 716
9 Sep 2020 #219
in the next 10 to 20 years electric cars will replace gasoline engine cars.

More likely not all-electric cars, but hybrids and they will only start to replace all-gasoline cars in 10-20 years. All-electric Teslas will be too expensive even in 20 years for an average consumer. Then this gradual replacement may take 30 more years. So, don't expect total replacement in the next 40-50 years, at least. Some new power plants have to be built first, then a new types of batteries created, giant battery producing factories built around the World, battery recycling facilities. Then a huge infrastructural works have to be done like putting a thick copper or aluminum cables underground to every house, parking lot and charging station. Every parking lot have to be equipped with a lot of charging poles. A huge work has to be done.
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
9 Sep 2020 #220
then a new types of batteries created,

Did you not read my post #217 about the new million mile battery ?
There are already giant battery producing factories.
My friends with Tesla's didn't have to put thick copper or aluminum cables underground to charge their cars.
Huge work is being done as we speak.
Russia can't be half stepping here if they expect to keep up with Poland.
By eliminating fossil fuels to power cars will sink Russia's economy even further..
Vlad1234 16 | 716
9 Sep 2020 #221
My friends with Tesla's didn't have to put thick copper or aluminum cables underground to charge their cars.

This is because still a few people charge their cars nowdays. Can you imagine load on the greed when nearly everyone will do the same?!

Did you not read my post #217 about the new million mile battery ?

First, World still has to see this battery and prove the claims. It is not only important how long battery lasts, but also energy density and the price. For now batteries aren't already there.
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
9 Sep 2020 #222
Can you imagine load on the greed when nearly everyone will do the same?!

That's the whole point Vlad, how will that electricity be produced to fill this void on the grid ?
Well of course, with fossil fuels that will cost more to produce the electricity then the fossil fuels themselves to run a car.
The Libs haven't caught onto this yet.
The air will be cleaner though so Greta will have reason to smile.

First, World still has to see this battery

Patience Grass Hopper, did you not read my post 217 above ?
I am looking forward to Tesla's "Battery Day" on Sept. 22.
Vlad1234 16 | 716
9 Sep 2020 #223
how will that electricity be produced to fill this void on the grid ?

I think advanced nuclear power looks most promising now. It depends on country. Here in Canada 60% of e. power is produced by inexpensive hydroelectric plants. Up to 90% in some provinces. Then follows nuclear with 19%. Then natural gas at 9%. The rest are coal and renewables. Electric cars consume 4 times less energy than a gasoline ones, so this task looks quite manageable.
Cargo pants 2 | 560
10 Sep 2020 #224
but hybrids and they will only start to replace all-gasoline cars in 10-20 years

We have owned a hybrid,not much of a difference economically and only after driving over 75k miles in the city(If you still own it).It only helps if driving on cruise in new cars.

I am looking forward to Tesla's "Battery Day" on Sept. 22

Me too,heard Musk is going to do something big that day.
Vlad1234 16 | 716
11 Sep 2020 #225
We have owned a hybrid,not much of a difference economically

What was the electric range? How much have you spent for electricity and repair? How it compares to a gasoline one? Have you received a subsidy from the govt.?
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
11 Sep 2020 #226
The Tesla has a range of over 260 miles, Tesla comes right to your home at no charge and fixes your Tesla for free.

How it compares to a gasoline one?

No exhaust system to replace and almost dead quiet.
It's the car of the future until the flying cars come out for the public.
Poland and Canada are missing a golden opportunity for not getting in on ground level.
Lenka 3 | 2,083
11 Sep 2020 #227
almost dead quiet.

I've heard that is supposed to change as it posses a danger. I myself once stepped in front of electric car as there was no sound or lights to indicate it will move.

And of course people with poor sight who often rely on the sounds of approaching cars...
Vlad1234 16 | 716
11 Sep 2020 #228
No exhaust system to replace and almost dead quiet.

Cargo Pants was spoking about a hybrid, not about all-electric like Tesla. All-electric could be a cars of the future, but quite a distant one.
cms neuf - | 1,754
11 Sep 2020 #229
Sooner the better really.

Then you can drink your oil

Mind you I know quite a lot of the minerals used for the electric cars are also from Russia
Cargo pants 2 | 560
11 Sep 2020 #230
What was the electric range? How much have you spent for electricity and repair? How it compares to a gasoline one? Have you received a subsidy

Hybrids yet are not fully electric.The electric motor kicks in when you are cruising.We never paid attention about the consumption but was very quiet car.One has to get use to it when you start it,always had problems with valet parking as those guys would keep on turning the ignition.We had Toyota Highlander 2006 AWD and changed it in 2011.Never had problem drove around 80k miles.And there was no subsidy from the govt for hybrids.I think they were on all full LPG/Propane and electric vehicles,depending on the State.I did get around 7k tax rebate when I bought tesla though but that was for a first number of cars and is also gone now.
Vlad1234 16 | 716
11 Sep 2020 #231
I've heard that is supposed to change as it posses a danger.

Yes, but in the case of a noise imitator it is going to send sound waves just straight forward, not to all the sides or inside a vehicle like an engine does. And produce no infrasound or vibrations.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,579
11 Sep 2020 #232
That's what I hate the most about electric cars - there's no engine sound... it sounds like your driving a remote control car...

Thanks but I'll take my German or American V8 over some car that sounds like a toy, doesn't mean I don't buy/sell Tesla shares though...
Cargo pants 2 | 560
11 Sep 2020 #233
I hate the most about electric cars

I did too until I bought tesla,it takes around a month to get use to the no dash board with meters and lights etc and just a big screen.But when you come back to gas cars it feels like you have come back to stone age.Matter of getting use to,I cant wait for cyber truck to come out.I booked 2 for us.
Vlad1234 16 | 716
11 Sep 2020 #234
No exhaust system to replace and almost dead quiet.

That's great, but I think no average customer will ever agree to pay 20-30 K just for a battery and replace it every 8-10 years. And still have much smaller range than gasoline cars. And have minimal charging time in dozens of minutes or hours (to save the battery). I bet plug-in hybrids with 5-10 K battery and no range anxiety will have a better chance.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,579
11 Sep 2020 #235
That's the thing - If I can't drive a car where I can step on the gas, hear the RPMs, hear a wonderful exhaust note, and smell the tires it's not worth driving to me.
Cargo pants 2 | 560
11 Sep 2020 #236
, and smell the tires

lol thats why we always buy AWD cars,my first priority.They good for NJ weather and no screeching of wheels.I guess you like those spinning wheels for front/rear drive cars showing muscle.
johnny reb 27 | 4,676
11 Sep 2020 #237
and smell the tires

Don't kid yourself, you can smoke the tires on a Tesla.
They will smoke most cars 0 to 60mph.
The roadster can do 0 to 60 in under two seconds and the model S in under four seconds.
And thats gittin' it in my book.
I think Tesla is awd since they have two separate motors in them.

no average customer will ever agree to pay 20-30 K just for a battery and replace it every 8-10 years.

One more time just for you..........Tesla is coming out September 22cd with their battery day.
Now just sit still until then before you continue as they may have some new revelations coming out that will diminish your foddar..
Vlad1234 16 | 716
11 Sep 2020 #238
Tesla is coming out September 22cd with their battery day.

I think all-electric are vulnerable to outages. In large city it may even result in a disaster. Hybrids are more reliable on that point.

I would prefer noiseless flying "car" without wheels, rotors and wings which flies by the force of a "magic". I wonder if something like this will be ever created.
cms neuf - | 1,754
11 Sep 2020 #239
Can someone explain the million mile battery thing to me ? How does it add value to consumers.

In the US people do more miles but in Europe and I guess in Japan and lots of Asia they don't

I am not sure I have done a million miles in my whole life - I do about 40000 km a year now but when I was in my 20s for many years I had no car and in my 30s I drove much less.

Even a really heavy user is going to take 12-15 years to use a million miles by which time we might all be using jetpacs. Add to that the possible changes with people working from home a few days a week.

The self driving thing is decades away.
Cargo pants 2 | 560
11 Sep 2020 #240
The self driving thing is decades away.

Not really,if the roads are all well marked then not at all.Have you driven a tesla with Summon feature that also finds a parking and comes to you with your cell fone commands(within limited distance)?Yes now Tesla made it mandatory to have your hand on the steering handel(for legal reasons I guess) to drive under full self driving mode(lol and you can snore while its on).If the roads are paved and signs posted Tesla did a good job already.They upgrade almost every month sometimes couple of times.

I do about 40000 km a year

That is more then an average driver does.almost 25k miles a year is a lot,hope you dont lease a car with mileage,I dont know how leasing a car works in Poland as most business people do that usually I think.I do around 12k average a year after staying almost 6 months out of the country & in Poland not even 2000KM a year. but we use my car for long trips to kids.My wife just puts 6k miles and kids put under 10k a year.

How does it add value to consumers.

I dont understand that myself.The batteries will outlast the car and the census say most batteries have problems if changed.Guess it needs more research in that area.


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