Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun?

@Dirk diggler
Thats the most lucid and concise post in this thread.

And that's why you should have an unarmed police force as we do in Ireland. The Irish Guards have disarmed guys wielding guns, machetes, the works. They always wade in. No reason why Americans can't do the same. We also have armed response units who can be there in a few minutes if necessary but they are rarely called out but even an off-duty Garda will get stuck in. I don't believe American police are cowards, it's the training and ethos that's the problem.

irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-firing-shots-in-ballyfermot-disarmed-and-arrested-1.2094100

independent.ie/irish-news/fearless-garda-armed-with-hurley-halts-gunman-attack-26515968.html

Hahahaha unarmed cops in the us? That may work for ireland and even somewhat uk because there isnt millions of illegal guns on the street. The cops cant deal with all the criminals as it is, if you took away their guns theyd turn into even bigger cowards and not even bother to get out of their cars - unless of course its to bust pot smoking suburban teens or people speeding.

Sources say the victim attempted to defend himself by firing shots from his own gun, but the weapon jammed.
How could this have happened when guns are outlawed in Ireland ?

@johnny reb

Thats why revolvers are best for home self defense

Atch if you spent time in chicago esp the neighborhoods i lived in as a teen, youd probably get a concealed carry permit. Especially if you use public transport and as a female. Everyday commuters get car jacked, shot, stabbed, raped, get purses stolen, jewelry all sorts of stuff. And if you think a large crowd or cameras prevents them youre sadly mistaken. These guys put their hoodies over their head and you cant see them at all. Even just a few days ago on the news they were imploring the public to help identify a couple black kids who were preying on women and small males to steal their stuff.

@johnny reb
That part of the world they use knives.LQQK at the rate of stabbings they have there and in UK.BLQQDY Death,
Dirk I still prefer my Lady 38 smith,easy to handle.

Another American scapegoat mental illness.

Mentally ill people have never committed a crime, by virtue of being mentally ill.

99.9% of mentally ill people will never commit a crime let alone a violent crime

And yet you want to discriminate against these people and not allow them their Second Amendment right.

They live in the same degenerate depraved country is you and have the same right to defend themselves against the soulless hordes

@sig you must live in Mormon or cult commune somewhere or in the village of 200 to 1000 people in the Midwest where the average age of the resident is a 55 year-old churchgoer

Folks, arming teachers misses the forest for the trees!

The issue is NOT how to prepare our educators for a potential killing field in our classrooms, rather, to reduce the need PERMANENTLY if possible to even carry assault weapons in school, on the street, anywhere except the rifle range and/or an honest to gosh violent situation in which, say, a gunman has taken hostages or is threatening someone in our community!

Only recently in Britain has talk of arming bobbies even been broached, this in the wake of the recent terror attacks in London and in Manchester.

Thanks for admitting it Lyzko.
The Left wants to disarm America TOTALLY is the issue.
They are avoiding the real issue of MENTAL ILLNESS & PRESCRIPTION DRUGS like the plague.


Wrong...................ALL of the mass shooters suffered from mental illness and were on prescription drugs.

How many mass shooting are there, how many people have a "mental illness" in USA. How many people take prescription medication. Few per years vs tens of millions of people, versus hundreds of millions of people.

Mental illness is not a crime and the founding fathers would be ashamed of you for denying the right to someone who is not a criminal and has committed no crime. Only have they been labeled by modern society psychiatrists, through the use of observation and not fact, as mentally ill. This will be the first step and actually taking all of your guns, the labeling of those as mentally deficient the same as was done in the USSR and satellite Republics... moron

You truly are a depraved people.

Do your own homework as you seem to be the smartest guy in the room.
Do you know how Google works ?
When you get done post your source for your ill claims otherwise they are just twink fodder.


RIGHT......let's make it a requirement that all mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety medications be allowed to carry loaded guns.

Let's see how well that works out.


Maybe we should cut off the free aid to your country to bring you to your senses.

Lose your unwanted obsession of Poland first, then you can cut the "aid". Americans love taking responsibility for what your corporations fund, while you collect your slave wage thinking you're a king, helping the world.

Let's thought-police everyone and charge them with pre crimes before they've done anything!!! Hopefully this is what will happens to Americans. You'll all be labeled mentally ill for thinking you have guns to fight your government and not your own deplorable society, you'll be mentally ill for thinking these guns you have are for protecting yourself from your government and not your own hordes of soulless lack of culture hordes of mongrels.

And this is where your obsession with the "last bastion of white Europe", as you Americans love to claim.

Your response is complete nonsense, clearly you didn't put much thought into your post.

My reply to your lame post didn't deserve much thought.
In fact only a diagnosed mentally ill person themselves would think it should be o.k. for the mentally ill taking anti depressants and anti anxiety medication to own a AR-15 assault rifle themselves.

You don't have to admit to it here on a public forum however for the life of me couldn't come up with any other rational explanation.

How you coming with those sources to back up your previous claims above ?

Your prior post was so incoherent I thought you had something to drink tonight, since you're unable to respond to the majority of the points made in the posts of this thread, and go off on your irreverent tangents or childish attacking of character. It's as if you aren't aware how communication is supposed to work. Do you respond without actually reading the post of those you respond to or do you just scim over it and come up with 'gotcha' and person attacks?

Simple google search, which you are clearly unable to do for yourself and probably lack reading comprehension of the point I was making. It will easily show you that there are a few mass shooting in the US per year, there are tens of millions in the US with diagnosed or un-diagnosed (majority) mental illnesses, again which is a vague umbrella term which classifies millions of people with mental illnesses which do not make them a danger to anyone or themselves. Yes, even if they take these anti depressants. Any disorder in the Dsm-5, are 'mental illnesses', this shows your lack of knowledge on the subject. Because someone has at one point been diagnosed you want to restrict their rights to self defence, wow how American of you!

This is another cheap easy scapegoat used by moron Americans, so that you don't have to look at the real root cause for these problems. You don't want to admit this is the result of a soulless, culture-less, mongrelized horde of mixed peoples lacking history or tradition of a 'melting pot'. With their attention only on materialistic, hedonistic, greed with no real values to look towards but to make their elites happier. A truly diseased sick nation full of zombies.

But your easy scapegoat of 'mental ill', a common tack tick in history, and in Poland from 46-91. In your mind allowing obsevationist psychiatrists to decide who can and who cannot own a gun is easier for yourself, an apathetic half-measure that will not stop anything, then admitting the real problems.

I seemed to have forgot that part of your constitution in relation to the "defense against tyranny governments that you had to be non-diagnosed and not on medications, to bear arms"

But I'm also not stupid, considering your previous posts, you would never make these statement speaking to other Americans on an American forum about gun rights, only here with Poles.

No, you don't have any real response to these statements, because no Americans do who have their unwarranted obsession of Poland on this forum.

There you go projecting false innuendo's since you are unable to back up any of your claims with sources.
Maybe the third time will be a charm and you will comprehend the issue here.
Like I said in post #399 that you have avoided, "All of the mass shootings have been done by mentally ill people on anti depressants and anti anxiety medications" that have possible side effects of hallucinations. (Remember the shooter said that he heard voices telling him to do it)

My point here is that family knew, (he had fresh cuts/slices on his arms and his posts on social media saying that he wanted to be a school shooter while sporting several different firearms) he had been expelled from school, (for aggressive behavior) so his teachers knew, the police had interactions with him 39 times (in a two year period) so they knew that this guy was a ticking time bomb.

All of these people should have done their best to make sure because of his mental illness of aggressive behavior that he was not allowed to purchase a fire arm.


Doesn't, State Laws covers that.
Many people are excluded from owning, purchasing or possessing a firearm in the United States.
For example anyone with a domestic violence charge, prisoners, an aggressive felony charge, a felony drug charge...........
Many people in the United States are lawfully excluded from the 2cd Amendment by State laws.
And yes, the mentally ill with aggressive behavior like all the shooters have been are also excluded from owning a firearm.
And if the system had not broken down the Florida shooter would have been on that list.


Shall we use the word ignorant.
By chance do you suffer from mental illness to be so adamant about giving guns to the mentally ill ?

That's NRA propaganda and a lie. The vast majority of Americans want to limit access to certain types of weapons. Nobody will take away your hunting rifle, so you can continue to kill Bambi, and your little toy handgun you want to fight the US Army with as a militia man is safe, too.


Over 37,000 people were killed in 2017 by guns, including 22,000 suicides. We've had already 34 mass shootings this year. Sandy Hook and the massacre of innocent 1st graders was ignored by the NRA and its supporters. The incident in Las Vegas simply disappeared from the news and got swept under the carpet. Trump's newly published budget will now significantly cut funding for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which gun dealers use to verify if someone is banned from buying a gun before selling it to them. In other words: nothing will ever change here, unfortunately. Unless they can grab the NRA by the balls and defund them, that is. It's happening right now with major corporations canceling their rebate programs with that fascist organization.

gunviolencearchive.org

The 2nd amendment is not about hunting or sporting. It is designed with the express intent as a final check against government tyranny.


- George Washington

Please indulge us with how the above statement is any less true in 2018, than it was in 1776? Governments did not become altruistic in the 20th century, quite to the contrary they marked a period of intense bloodshed and oppression, and 50% of the worlds 190 countries live under some form of totalitarian government.


Legitimately, I've neither the time nor the inclination to deal with someone who unquestionably has NO IDEA what they are talking about. A 17-year long war now in Afghanistan has ham stringed the most powerful military to ever exist in human history, and they've done it almost exclusively with small arms and homemade bombs. You have a real lack of understanding about how easily overwhelmed local law enforcement and governance becomes when there is a popular uprising, so this strawman is oft repeated and it simply isn't based in reality and what we know about insurgencies versus modern day 21st century armies.

I usually don't get too annoyed with most posts, however I will kindly tell you to pack your bags and your opinion and head your ass back to Australia. You knew what you signed up for, and calling an organization like the NRA "fascist" is nothing more than radical left-wing propaganda designed to silence and muddle a debate surrounding the topic, its sophism, the mark of an intellectual midget.

I am not saying you aren't but the slightest suggestion of changes to gun control is likely to have you and the other gun supporters on this forum up in arms, because it doesn't appear to matter how many are shot and killed on American streets just so long as you continue to have the right to bear arms. And those people are expendable, after all it's the mentally ill, blacks, latinos, gang members etc that are the problem right? All 8000+ per year of them, and that's gun homicides, not suicides and accidental shootings etc. How high would that figure have to climb to before you start to think that maybe the US has a real problem with guns, because unfortunately that wonderful second amendment of yours doesn't discriminate between whether a gun owner is a good guy or a bad guy.

Somewhere along the line, probably not in my lifetime, I hope that America will look at the human cost and realise that the price is too great and that change is needed. These shootings are the end product of a society that is failing, your country is broken and the underlying problems the US has are not being dealt with. What you have is an American nightmare, not the American dream.

The answer to it all? Let's arm the teachers! We need more guns! Do you not even realise how insane that sounds?


It's a very scary prospect! I can just see the job ad now...........must be prepared to undergo extensive SWAT style training and be prepared to lay down your life in the line of duty....oh wait, doesn't that sound very much like an ad for the military? :D


Rather shockingly, that doesn't surprise me at all, but the gun supporters no doubt will find some justification for it, not that many considering the US is a country of 300 milllion blah blah blah. It's almost as if they are walking round with blinkers on, but no doubt the response I will get for my views is that I am a libtard, a leftie snowflake etc, because the gun supporters don't actually want to address my points as shown by the responses to my previous post.

Yeah, I was reading about corporations cutting funding and wanting to dissociate from the firearams industry. Maybe the winds of change are starting to blow as companies are one by one cutting their ties with the NRA. We can only hope that it continues because that organisation yields way too much power.

Im going to become an NRA member now.

I want to keep my guns and try to preserve my 2nd amendment rights before you liberal lefties turn us into Europe!

Thanks for pushing me over the line:):)

EXACTOMUNDO!!!!!!

School shootings are a symptom of a bigger problem, and more restrictive gun laws are treating the symptom not the underlying problem which is not gun ownership per se.

Treat the symptom and the problem will emerge elsewhere in a possibly even uglier form.

Exactly, but there are those on this forum who for some bizzare reason think that a lovely safe country like Poland should have the right to bear arms just as the US does. Poland does not need to emulate the US in this regard. The problem seems to be that if anyone on here dares to criticise the US in any way, the Americans, including yourself, get all uppity and defensive, yet you have said you want to move to Poland and have children there because you don't want them brought up in the US, so I can only conclude that you think that everything in the US garden isn't exactly rosy too.

You all have guns because you're all living in fear, waiting for that just in case scenario.


Then your government needs to address the many underlying problems the US has instead of sweeping them under the carpet hoping they will disappear. Guns are part of the problem not the solution.


Exactly. I don't even know where to start, the huge economic disparity in the country, failing education system, opiod epidemic, the list goes on.


I agree with what you're saying, but you're never going to be able to stop the bad guys from getting hold of guns and as a society I think that America needs to look at the cost of the right to bear arms. I know it will never happen, but I don't mind admitting that I think the US should scrap the second amendment. Gun advocates will argue that they shouldn't be penalised for crimes committed by the bad guys, but I happen to feel that everyone should have the right to walk round without the fear of being gunned down. Now y'all can shoot me for my opinion :D

That just shows how much you have been brainwashed.
Do you think it is a secret what you Liberals goal is.
You fight constantly for it inch by inch year after year.
I have watched it happen all my life.
Taking our AR-15's is just another tid bit and then another tid bid and then another until you have disarmed America, your goal.
It will never stop so the NRA is forced to put it's foot down and nip it in the bud and keep saying no, no, no.


Just the opposite.
I have a gun so I don't have to live in fear as I am to old to run anymore.
And like Sig and I both have said, "we live in towns where you never see a gun or any gun violence, zero."
Pam you are constantly trying to paint a picture of America being a war zone even after you have been told that most of the gun violence is concentrated in seven major cities in the U.S.

The rest of small town America, especially my home town is just as safe as Poland is.

@Joker

I really like Gun Owners of America as a political advocacy group. They are involved in a lot less drama than the NRA, and don't compromise as much, whereas the NRA sells us out sometimes making compromises with Dems. gunowners.org

The only legal way to do that is through a constitutional amendment (the US consittution is such that nothing can be taken out, only added so that (for example) the 21st amendment repeals the 18 (which is still part of the constitution)

Messing with the Bill of rights will be a gargantuan task and all but doomed to failure. It really would be easier to deal with the underlying social problems instead.

Hint: school shootings happen in transient areas where there is a lot of immigration (internal or external). People who aren't tied to communities are more likely to break ultimate taboos...

EXACTLY but the Left can't deal with the facts to confront them with.


When I was ten years old I use to take my .22 rifle (uncased) and walk with it to the other side of town to the city garbage dump all by myself.

Stop on the way and buy myself a hundred rounds of ammo for $1.00.
My buddies would meet me there with their .22's and we would shoot rats all day Saturday and then walk back across town with our guns.

If a ten year old tried doing that in this day and age their would be a S.W.A.T Team called in with parents going to jail.

That is one example of how times have changed in the last fifty years thanks to the Gun Grabber Liberal teachers teaching children that guns are BAD.

But what do you expect when you take God out of the schools, pamper the kids with safe rooms, teach immorality to them as being o.k., having the feminist movement think raising children without a father doesn't make any difference, having the courts be the third parent in the marriage, giving kids real life video games that you get an extra 1000 points for shooting a cop...........I mean do you really wonder why society is so screwed up to the point these kids actually think it is normal to have a mother with a penis ?

If you really want to get to the root of the problem then lets.


Thanks Sig, will be looking into joining this week.

Maybe because it is not about gun control but about gun grabbing lobby. So called gun control is just a slogan to they are using to to bring an unconstitutional gun ban by the back door.


Really? Why?
30.000 children in Africa under the age of five die EVERY DAY.
By the way the gang violence is mainly responsible for most shooting related deaths. Which in turn is related to black ghettos and Mexican illegals smuggling guns and drugs. (In fact Mexico is run in fact by drug cartels)In US for political, social and historical reasons one cannot say that blacks are the problem whiteout being branded a racist KKK member or a white supremacist whereas in fact is a simple observation.

If you want to blame someone blame Democratic party that has been facilitating for decades black ghettoes, illegal immigration to mitigate their power base.


Poland has its own tradition of citizenry right to bear arms. So no need to look to US for an example.
Further more, the right to own a gun is a clear sign of a free society and a status of a real not niminary citizenship.

I know the difference between being a slave in a totalitarian regime and being a free man in a free country and if there is price to pay for that freedom its worth it. Besides most problems with gun violence is not due to gun laws but to fallings in other departments. Fix flaws in laws and a society and you will fix gun violence without taking away the guns.

Unarmed police + unarmed public = a peaceful country. And the point I'm making is that when there is an armed felon, the Irish police can deal with it. They're not cowards, so why would Americans be?? It's in the training. If you know you have no gun but may have to disarm somebody, I think you grow a set of balls pretty quickly. It sorts out the men from the boys, in that you only get recruits who are ready to deal with a gunman whilst having no gun themselves..


Where do you think the IRA got their guns from?? Or the UVF (the Protestant terrorists in the North of Ireland)? Nowadays there are armed criminal gangs who mostly shoot each other,but sometimes guns are used in robberies organized by those gangs or hangers on who get their guns from them. Gun crime is still rare in Ireland though. And the police themselves have always resisted any suggestion that they should be armed.

You mean like somebody with an AR-15 with a magazine capacity of thirty rounds with another magazine tapped to the one in the weapon.....good luck.


My point made, once guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
No offence Atch but you are not in touch with reality on the gun issue in America no matter how big the Irish cops balls are.

The bad guy in the U.S. would say to the cop, "why did you bring your baton to a gun fight sucker ?"

How does the saying go, "I would rather be alive coward then a dead hero."

Only as long as armed criminals are few and far between...

But it's not just gun crime, burglaries are probably a lot more common in places where thieves are pretty sure the homeowners won't be armed...

What the hell is happening in the UK?

telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/21/new-crime-figures-expected-show-burglary-soaring-parts-uk-police/

Thanks Sig, Ill check into this later:)


Its just another liberal plot to take away our unalienable rights as American citizens.


It would be really nice if these "know it all" Brits would mind their own business and stay out of our affairs.