The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?

This is why my suicide counselors would be advising to always start with suicide and then murder whoever is on the sicko's list.

I want a Nobel Prize in something for being a genius.

In 60 years of living in Europe, I have never thought about owning a gun. Let it stay like this until the end.

Right now you only deserve Ignoble coz your theory doesn`t work in practice.

Besides, how many murderers wish to kill themselves after the murder? 5%? So, what about the remaining 95%???

In Poland there should be a least one long gun, per hausehold, if people wouldn't want it that find but anyone who would like to have it should got it rather easy...

Spot on.

Guns bring many problems and solve none.

It's never the mere question of owning or not owning firearms; it's whether they are used responsibly!
All too often, such is not the case.

Why?

I never used mine in the commission of a crime but will use it to stop the threat in my house.

How are you going to stop the threat in yours? Start at the point when two guys kick in the front door. Go...I am really curious. For your convenience, I have started your response...

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Why not per room, like in America???

Because of the geopolitical situation. People should have chance to defend themselves and their property if they would like it to do...\

You would respect guns a lot more if you knew how many are used to stop a crime.


That's the American model. Euros are supposed to retreat. Wife and kids? Fu*ck 'em, as long as the homeowner retreats and doesn't harm the perp. Maybe he just stopped by to borrow a wine cork puller. At 2 a.m. By kicking the front door in...You never know what his intentions are until you ask.

Don`t be stupid and stop daydreaming like a child. Before you find and grab your home gun, the attacker will have enough time to shoot you 10 times with his/her.

And when panicked,. you can kill one of your family instead of an assailant.

Long gun in a flat?Most Poles live in flats imagine trying to shoot a long gun in a apartment.Guess happens to people who dont know much about guns.Handgun for flats and long gun for houses is perfect.

Its easy to get a permit in Poland,infact even CCP if one can show the need(anyone can show the need its a joke of a clause) lol or know people esp the owner/director of the club.Lately its so hard to get an appointment for a slot to shoot at the range in Poland cuz so many people including women are getting into it.Use to be just walk ins and the instructor would be sleeping in his office and was glad to see a customer.

Forgot to add with those concrete walls the pellets/bullet might ricochet and hit the shooter lol defending his property lol

Forgive Iron coz he didn`t know what he was saying.

LOL Forgiven:)

Who is talking about flats?
You can play and show off, why don't you for once shut up and try to think?
In case there is a war, and people are left to fend for themselves , they should at least have a chance to defend themselves if they want to, against anything, bandits, looters, foreign soldieris and so on///

Poland is in a dangerous spot and so far we have no nukes....

long gun would be a way to overwrite current legislation in Poland and make it easy to buy a guy and keep it at home, much like it is with black powder guns...


you are in no danger then with your carborad walls lol!

ME


Play & Show off???Elaborate Sissy lol And try to make me shut up and think if you are a man enough,,,,,,WAIT you had a sex change so you can never be a man enough lol:))


Of course in no danger,BTW its called"Sheet Rock"in English not "Cardboard"you dumb fu.cking fool.:))

Again, spot on.

If every Jew in Poland was armed...you know the rest...But, just as our resident Jew, they were all gun-hating pacifists who thought they would be able to behave themselves out of dying. Out of 400,000 in the Warsaw Ghetto, 360,000 went obediently to their death before the shooting started.

Deepak is far too stupid to be able to think.

@Ironside

I agree,People in desperate situations need to be able to defend themselves.

You need to get ready before you are in a desperate situation. That's why I have three guns - all loaded. One on my table within three feet.

BTW, a gun is not enough. You need to truly hate people or at least know what they are capable of. That's why I watch crime shows. And that's why, just like the police, I don't trust anyone. I don't know well enough.

I notice you mentioned Poland reintroducing conscription so I take it that you believe that a war involving Poland is on the cards. When do you think that is likely to happen? And what do you think the threat is exactly? Is it as simple as being invaded by Russia? Or do you think that the war in Ukraine will escalate and that NATO will become involved, thus perforce involving Poland?

@Cargo pants
Pf is a place for you where you can rant and vent, I don't care if you do, however if I have same idea to share I expect that all the criticism and pointers will come from the place of understanding the crux of my idea.

Mocking it and yapping it to post some obvious issues AS If I wasn't aware of it is insulting to me.

I see my attempt to give you a chance and treat you like a human being failed.
Fine, you are foreigner in my country do you really think you can f me on my own turf? Think again.
You known that anything major would happen in poland you will be first to flee like a rat with few carpets you haven't been able to sell on your back.

So Don't talk tough, real men don't talk like that only cowards do, you giving away a fact you nothing but chapati degenerate.

Yo

I don't know if that is going to happen, as I can't predict the future. I think it is better to ready than sorry.

That war or anything major could happen becasue times have changed. There had been a long peace in Europe and all of us are used to it as a norm. Its ended.

Most people think that is an abberation and things will go back to the way it was before the war in Ukraine but that is delusion. Their hope is in vain.

In those trublent time ahead every country needs to take precautions and that is especailly true for Poland.
Poland is a NATO border country, there Russia and so on...

I don't think we are going to be pulled into Ukrainian conflict more then we already are i/e. directlly. Neverthe less Poland should get ready if you do...the trick is to prepare ahead of time or just in case not to be caught with your pants down ...

I absolutely agree with that. It's unfortunate but the fact is that war or states of conflict have been the norm for centuries. The nineteenth century saw many wars in Europe. In the twentieth century we had two major wars that started here and overflowed into the rest of the world. We have managed to sustain the peace for nearly a hundred years. But now we're back to the usual state of affairs.

You're right when you say the people who have been born into an outwardly peaceful world and have never known anything else find it hard to conceive of the fact that we're no longer at peace. However, if history repeats itself, these times too will pass eventually - though it will be many years and Europe won't be the same afterwards, anymore than it has been following previous wars.

I don't see any reason for people to arm themselves though. Poland has a well developed military and wouldn't be alone. A gun per household is out of the question. There are too many households with hot tempers, unsupervised children, careless adults etc. that are not fit to have lethal weapons in the house. Better to have a larger, properly trained army reserve, especially in the border area.

Well, I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Happens.


what if it fails, depending on autorities coming to the rescue can be fatal in times of war and troubles.
You think cities, I think countryside and small towns..

Well actually so was I. Countryside will always be vulnerable but there's no reason why a small town can't have a few trained people.

The idea that you can stop an invading army by having a gun per household is nonsense. What happens when their ammo runs out? A farmer can shoot the first few Ruskies on his property and that's all.

And you must face the realities that there are too many people who can't even be trusted to operate a chainsaw for cutting wood, let alone a firearm. Do you ever read about the various accidents with machinery and tools that happen in rural Poland every year?

No, I don't expect them to stop an invading army. I expect they can fend off few looters or would be rapist from said army, hopfully with a help of some neighbours..


In every society there are about 20% of idiots unable to do anything or to learn much ....there is about 20% of people who are creative and there is the rest in the middle,

There nothing you can do it about,,,playing nana to some poor sod who might harm himself is no way to think about that issue.

Why such a concern should depreve people who are able and willing to defend themselves from ample tools fit for that purpose? As you say they can hurt themselves with a hammer or some other tool, it doesn't matter, why guns are taboo? Guns are only tools...

As a matter of fact that's about correct. I know that from years of teaching. Take any group of twenty kids, about five will be well below average, about five will be above average with maybe two being exceptional, and the rest will be - average :) Interesting that you used the word creative, rather than intelligent. Most people tend to associate creativity with the arts but creativity is about using your intellect to solve problems. Engineers and scientists are just as creative as artists and writers.


Because guns can hurt not only themselves but others.

Incidentally, sad to say, but in times of war and chaos, it's not only invaders who rape and loot. But in any case, you might repel the first few looters/would be rapists but you can't carry on indefinitely.

Yes, I'm aware, plus it can buy some time, it could be make a difference between being raped and not being raped.
Just hand over the right tool fit for a job.