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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
14 Nov 2015 #961
I think the inference was that polish people have guns but keep them hidden.

Not really. There are a lot of hunters that own guns, but their ownership isn't exactly a big secret.

In Normal conditions i would not support gun ownership. But nowadays it is important to defend you, your wife and your kids.

Wonderfully sexist statement there, given that many women are capable of shooting. My wife is a far better shot than me, for instance.
dolnoslask
14 Nov 2015 #962
Hunters guns are not of much use for civil defense, carbines /pistols semi and fully automatic are required to do the job properly.

yeah my wife is also a better shot than me.
Levi 12 | 450
14 Nov 2015 #963
Wonderfully sexist statement there, given that many women are capable of shooting. My wife is a far better shot than me, for instance.

Sexist? Here comes you with your political correctness. Sorry, here it doesn't work.

It is your right when you hear a noise at night, ask your wife to go there and solve the problem with any eventual murder.

That says a lot about you.
Billy9999 - | 34
14 Nov 2015 #964
On the assumption that anyone coming knocking on the door with AK47s means its goodnight Vienna; next steps down for me would be as follows...

Decent slingshot Catapult and 12mm ball bearing ammo - good stopping power and accurate at short range; plus versatile as a survival weapon as will take stones as ammo.

400mm machete for finishing off if they get past the slingshot volleys.

Bowie knife (to be used as a gladius)

All are relatively cheap, unobtrusive and potentially effective for defensive purposes.

Keep to the topic please
wino - | 16
14 Nov 2015 #965
We don't have gun violence, and there is no need to arm chavs with guns. It would be really idiotic to create a problem, when we don't have one.
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,446
14 Nov 2015 #966
would not support gun ownership

I likewise do not support universal gun ownership, possibly highly restricted and registered target pistols, small-game arms, but certianly not combat weapons. But I too am wondering whether a continued, prolonged series of terrorist attacks lasting years won't change the thinking of many Europeans. If even just a few of the Paris concert attendees had been packing a rod, they could have taken out one or more of the terrorists and thereby saved a number of lives.
johnny reb 28 | 5,301
14 Nov 2015 #967
OK Johnny, as a true Pole you'll be able to find some stats on surveys conducted on whether Poles want guns or not, or media articles on Poles lobbying for guns. Having said that, you might find that difficult as Poles do not want guns. But you wouldn't know that, would you? What you know about Poland would fit on a grain of rice.

I don't accept your personal delegated work. You can do that yourself and being a teacher you should have a wealth of liberal resources to choose from. I would suppose it would be who you ask to get the answer that you wanted.

What I do know is that ALL my Polish pen pals have told me that they would own a gun if they could.
What I know about Poland is more then you know about Texas which would fit on a fleas back.

If even just a few of the Paris concert attendees had been packing a rod, they could have taken out one or more of the terrorists and thereby saved a number of lives.

Exactly one of my points Pol3.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
15 Nov 2015 #968
What I do know is that ALL my Polish pen pals have told me that they would own a gun if they could.

You're lying again. Or they simply don't exist.

Your penpals can't be very intelligent if they can't obtain a legal firearm in Poland. I could get one if I wanted...
Ironside 50 | 10,939
15 Nov 2015 #969
I could get one if I wanted...

You are telling porkies now.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
15 Nov 2015 #970
Permanent resident in Poland, therefore joining PZ£ is allowed. Or I could get one for sport purposes....or even self defence.

Not my scene, but still. Just shows that Johnny's full of nonsense, as he clearly doesn't know anyone in Poland that supports gun ownership by the masses.
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #971
Gun ownership in Poland currently requires a mental health examination !
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
15 Nov 2015 #972
One has to wonder how the desire to kill innocent animals can be considered a sign of good mental health.
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #973
delphiandomine i think you made a good point there, can someone be classified as sane if they shoot animals for pleasure *(Pests and food excluded)?

The topic - guns in Poland

Sorry mod i didn't make myself clear to have a gun in Poland you need to pass a mental exam, hence my logic of questioning sanity " should they be classified as sane if they shoot animals for pleasure"

Some idiot in my village shot our pet cat , for fun i think, so my answer to legalizing firearms for the general population is a no.
johnny reb 28 | 5,301
15 Nov 2015 #974
Just shows that Johnny's full of nonsense, as he clearly doesn't know anyone in Poland that supports gun ownership

Just got my last e-mil back from my Polish friends,
ALL of them.....100% of them said they would support such legislation but since delphie is an authority that I don't know anyone in Poland let's pretend that he is right even though he is not.

My wife is a far better shot than me, for instance.

So you do have one ?

I could get one if I wanted...

So you don't have one ?
Someone is lying.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
15 Nov 2015 #975
Just got my last e-mil back from my Polish friends,
ALL of them.....100% of them said they would support such legislation but since delphie is an authority that I don't know anyone in Poland let's pretend that he is right even though he is not.

Johnny, I know that you're a pathological liar, but no-one is thinking about guns here apart from a small section of society. But what do I know - I only live, work and contribute here, unlike you.

Someone is lying.

Again : you can access guns easily here if you want. There's a shooting range not far from my house, for instance.

The fact that you don't even know how common guns are here suggests that your knowledge of Poland is woefully lacking.
dolnoslask
15 Nov 2015 #976
There are gun clubs here in Poland and they are well regulated by the authorities, I think this is enough for the hobbyists and sports shooters (targets)

hunters have strict rules regarding what when and how many animals can be shot /taken

In Poland (Excluding hunter licence holders above) It is against the law to shoot any wild animal (Includes rodents and birds) , breaking this law is punishable with imprisonment.

I Think the laws here are pretty fair to all, I can't see any need for Tesco to sell rifles and pistols to all and sundry.

As a side note my local tesco store has a franchise within the store that sells Tear gas, Air weapons, fighting knives and spring loaded batons
Roger5 1 | 1,458
15 Nov 2015 #977
What I do know is that ALL my Polish pen pals have told me that they would own a gun if they could.

I can imagine the kind of knuckle-draggers you correspond with. They hardly represent a broad spectrum of Polish society. More likely white supremacist bigots if you are anything to go by. It's a pity we can't be tested on our knowledge of Texas and Poland.

youtube.com/watch?v=yRZZpk_9k8E
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
15 Nov 2015 #978
They hardly represent a broad spectrum of Polish society

That's assuming they even exist, which is highly unlikely given that the only gun nuts I can think of can't speak English.
johnny reb 28 | 5,301
1 Jan 2016 #979
Poland would support such legislation if it were brought to vote just like it was recently in Texas.
When the new year begins (2016) in the Lone Star State, licensed Texans for the first time since 1871 will be allowed to carry a holstered pistol in public under an "open carry" law passed in the Republican-dominated 2015 legislative session.

The liberals in Texas (as in Poland) claimed it would never pass but it did proving just how wrong the Polish Left is.
Looks like 2016 has started out with a positive "For the People, By the People" !
Librarius - | 91
1 Jan 2016 #980
Looks like 2016 has started out with a positive "For the People, By the People" !

For the Rambos, by the Rambos
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 Jan 2016 #981
Poland would support such legislation if it were brought to vote just like it was recently in Texas.

No, Poland really wouldn't. Stop trying to push your guns onto our people.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
1 Jan 2016 #982
A question for Polish people living in Poland: Would you like to be able to open-carry a firearm in public?
The answer to this question is so obvious that it doesn't even need to be stated.
dolnoslask
1 Jan 2016 #983
I think that the article below would help posters understand the history of gun ownership in Poland, At the end of the day it was the Russians that stopped gun ownership in Poland (I wonder why).

loadoutroom.com/6764/gun-rights-worldwide-episode-1-poland/

From my family history we always had guns/swords skills this would be passed down from father to son, my grandfather who was a cavalry officer taught my father shoot and fight with a sword .

When I was in the UK the Polish club would arrange sword fighting training (Foil and Sabre) , Shooting was limited to air rifle practice.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
1 Jan 2016 #984
dolno, would you be happy to see your neighbours walking around town with a holstered weapon on their hip?
dolnoslask
1 Jan 2016 #985
"neighbours walking around town with a holstered weapon on their hip* erm probably not. especially the ones on the gas

But some of my neighbor's do walk up and down the lane outside my house with a rifle slung over their shoulder. the wife was i bit surprised, but we are in the sticks.
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 Jan 2016 #986
But some of my neighbor's do walk up and down the lane outside my house with a rifle slung over their shoulder.

Indeed, it's nothing out of the ordinary or strange in Poland.

Worth pointing out that if you really do need a gun for self-defence purposes, then you can get one.
dolnoslask
1 Jan 2016 #987
Yep there are gun clubs where you can shoot almost every type of weapon, we also have local rifle militias, and also hunters associations, you can get a permit bu you will have to visit a psychiatrist and pass a mental assessment. so if people want guns in Poland they can have one, me personally I have no need for one.
Roger5 1 | 1,458
1 Jan 2016 #988
From dolno's link:
"This does not change the blunt truth that the Polish government is more afraid of its people than Alexander Lukashenko is of his."

I'm not sure I follow the logic of this assertion. I thought that governments being afraid of their populace was a good thing. In democracies the people can vote out the government. In, for example, Texas, where people can walk around town openly armed, I doubt very much that the state or federal governments are afraid of the people's weaponry, as they have the capability to quell any insurrection very swiftly. If I had to bet on the result of a fire fight between a highly trained and highly armed assault team of, say US marines, and a couple of hundred armed civilians, I'd bet on the former.
dolnoslask
1 Jan 2016 #989
Texas has the right to leave the united states whenever it wishes, I doubt that US marines would ever fire upon their own in support of a federal government.

As they say Don't mess with Texas
delphiandomine 88 | 18,858
1 Jan 2016 #990
Texas has the right to leave the united states whenever it wishes, I doubt that US marines would ever fire upon their own in support of a federal government.

Alas, no it doesn't.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White

The ruling is still in effect - states do not have the right of secession.


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