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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #31
I still have more guns at the family home than you, and I can almost definately shoot better than you. I'm only there for a month or two a year, but hey, I do my part.

At least P-Land doesn't have to deal with this problem... Meh, maybe they don't needs guns after all since they have no Injuns or homies to deal with... just the occasional Nazi or Rushkie...

No, see, that's where your wrong. Even after having armed men break into my house, I still believe with all my soul that the number one threat is the government.

PS, should have shot those f*ckers.
guesswho 4 | 1,278
19 Oct 2010 #32
I still have more guns at the family home than you, and I can almost definately shoot better than you

How do you determine all that convex? lol Do you even know trener zolwia personally? He might even have a gun store for what we know.

You're funny man, lol
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #33
I'm still pretty sure I shoot better than any of you. I don't want to brag, but I'd wager money....
trener zolwia 1 | 939
19 Oct 2010 #34
It only matters when it counts...

should have shot those f*ckers.

f stop 25 | 2,507
19 Oct 2010 #35
The problem with that chart is that suicides are included...distorts things a bit.

The suicides are a big part of the problem with guns, too. I read somewhere that great majority of people that kill themselves with a gun would not commit suicide if they didn't have access to it. I was surprised to learn that, but it does make some sense.

I have these discussions with two of my close friends. He just bought her a nice Glock (she immediately posted a picture of it on a lovely flowered bedspread as her facespace profile). So, if he ever decides to break up with her, we both know which gun is going to be used, we're just not sure on whom.
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #36
It only matters when it counts...

You're right. But requiring a pistol on your person at all times is a sad proposition.

Anyone shoot IPSC?

I have these discussions with two of my close friends. He just bought her a nice Glock (she immediately posted a picture of it on a lovely flowered bedspread as her facespace profile). So, if he ever decides to break up with her, we both know which gun is going to be used, we're just not sure on whom.

It's very strange how people treat guns. For many people it seems to be an instrument of power. Dunno, having grown up in the countryside, I see the same threat from a blade or perhaps 10 minutes alone with someone....
guesswho 4 | 1,278
19 Oct 2010 #37
I'm still pretty sure I shoot better than any of you

Maybe better than me, I wouldn't be surprised about that but I doubt you shoot better than my dad.
The only problem is that we'll most likely never find out :-)

I don't want to brag

But you do, lol

but I'd wager money

I wish we could have a shooting competition between you and my dad. Jeez, I might get rich quick (of course if you have a lot of cash, lol).
f stop 25 | 2,507
19 Oct 2010 #38
Dunno, having grown up in the countryside, I see the same threat from a blade or perhaps 10 minutes alone with someone....

Hmm. Twitch of a finger vs hand-to-hand combat..
Chicago Pollock 7 | 503
19 Oct 2010 #39
Poles aren't ready... they would kill each other, more or less randomly, and the Polish population would shrink even more then it already did....

How come Polish people in the States are able to handle guns?

The suicides are a big part of the problem with guns, too. I read somewhere that great majority of people that kill themselves with a gun would not commit suicide if they didn't have access to it. I was surprised to learn that, but it does make some sense.

Price of freedom. Guns are the great equalizer. It keeps the higher ups from getting too uppity.
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #40
Maybe better than me, I wouldn't be surprised about that but I doubt you shoot better than my dad.
The only problem is that we'll most likely never find out :-)

Does he shoot competitively? If so, I definitely know him.

Hmm. Twitch of a finger vs hand-to-hand combat..

Yea, we grew up a little bit, ahem, off...
pgtx 29 | 3,146
19 Oct 2010 #41
How come Polish people in the States are able to handle guns?

they do?! i don't know any....
guesswho 4 | 1,278
19 Oct 2010 #42
How come Polish people in the States are able to handle guns?

Maybe because you're Americans now? :-)

Does he shoot competitively? If so, I definitely know him.

No, he shoots almost everyday and he was a marine sniper for a long time.
trener zolwia 1 | 939
19 Oct 2010 #43
my close friends. He just bought her a nice Glock (she immediately posted a picture of it on a lovely flowered bedspread as her facespace profile). So, if he ever decides to break up with her, we both know which gun is going to be used, we're just not sure on whom.

Seems a bit of conjecture. And by the sounds of things the gun is the least of their problems...

guns. For many people it seems to be an instrument of power.

This is the homie mindset. Very primitive, childish even today. Angry children with guns... :s
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #44
No, he shoots almost everyday and he was a marine sniper for a long time.

Tell him to start shooting competitively, IPSC is the way to go :) Send me a PM if you're genuinely interested.

This is the homie mindset. Very primitive, childish even today. Angry children with guns... :s

Absolutely. It's sad beyond anything I could possibly express here :(

...but don't confuse what you perceive to be a "homie" mindset with the general populace.... Don't become a racist **** just because that's what you see.
f stop 25 | 2,507
19 Oct 2010 #45
here is a bit of on topic humour. Comments are just as entertaining:
lamebook.com/my-gun
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #46
See, comeon, that's stupid. Seriously stupid. Guessing the guy lives in a suburb somewhere, doesn't have much goin for 'em.Dunno, just a guess...
trener zolwia 1 | 939
19 Oct 2010 #47
don't confuse what you perceive to be a "homie" mindset with the general populace.... Don't become a racist **** just because that's what you see.

It's a simple un-PC fact that 'America's gun problem' is thanks almost entirely to the uncivilized urban homies. Doesn't make me a racist for noticing.
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #48
What is the problem, and how can it be fixed?
trener zolwia 1 | 939
19 Oct 2010 #49
What is the problem

Urban black males with guns.

how can it be fixed?

Gots me.
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #50
Urban black males with guns.

I think it's a bit more than that, come on, fight smarter not harder!

Can be fixed by denying any kind of benefit. Chaos for a generation or two, then long term peace.
Chicago Pollock 7 | 503
19 Oct 2010 #51
What is the problem, and how can it be fixed?

They need to get educated to get the skills to get jobs. There is no tradition of education in the Black community.

Maybe because you're Americans now?

Probably true. Let's see. Couple of 12 ga pumps, couple of single shot 12 ga.

30-06 single shot, 270 bolt, 30 cal. lever, probably more.

Haven't shot anyone yet. Going pheasant and deer hunting later this fall.
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #52
They need to get educated to get the skills to get jobs. There is no tradition of education in the Black community.

Is that changing?
Chicago Pollock 7 | 503
19 Oct 2010 #53
No.

Before the Civil War illiteracy was something like 95%. Plantation owners didn't want educated slaves. They still have slave mentality..."I don't need no education". High dropout rate even today.
szczeciniak 4 | 92
19 Oct 2010 #54
The right to own a gun has never being taken or remove from mans rights!! so registration of such is not needed or necessary. every man and women have this rights.(under republic)

if you apply for registration of gun , your notice is now registered in public register so it became a public jurisdiction(public domain) you own the gun or weapon(equitable title) the "state" the gun was registered owes legal title to it.( trust arrangement)

1)grantor, maker is the applicant(you, me, owner, man and women)
2)trustee is the controlling part(state takes this)
3) beneficiary is the one who benefits from ownership of the gun.
it is like that in all countries and states and territories under U.N.
IT IS a commercial law. so if you register!! you loose your right of or to own a gun , now it is a privilege with and within acts and statius of the corporation(state or U.N or your local council or county) the state has the right of trustee, (1/10 of the title and its control part) you have 9/10 of th title value(price)equitable interest and you are in possession(the gun)

if it is the right? why would i change it to privilege?

ps
Rothschild words:
dont own anythink!! but control everything(trust structure )
convex 20 | 3,930
19 Oct 2010 #55
if it is the right? why would i change it to privilege?

It's a right, by all means, not a privilege. Problem is...and this depends on how you see it...Bulwark against the government, or against personal freedom?
zetigrek
19 Oct 2010 #56
The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?

No.
Olaf 6 | 955
19 Oct 2010 #57
automatic weapon.

noone said automatic :)
jonni 16 | 2,482
19 Oct 2010 #58
The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?

No. Nor is there any great interest in this in Poland.
szczeciniak 4 | 92
19 Oct 2010 #59
Bulwark against the government, or against personal freedom?

My call is personal freedom! government is like babysitter, trying to make every body happy!
not passable till the children become responsible for them self and others.(growing process)
away guy 10 | 343
19 Oct 2010 #60
I think Polands current gun law and hunting law is very good and should not be changed.....


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