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PO support drops by 4 pps after tape scandal according to WBJ


poland_
1 Jul 2014 #1
According to the WBJ support for PO has dropped by 4 pps after the tape scandal.

Poland's ruling party Civic Platform (PO) saw its voter support drop by a clear 4 pps to 24%, while support for the main opposition party Law and Justice (PiS) held flat at 32%, showed a Homo Homini poll conducted for Rzeczpospolita daily after the publication of controversial tapes with conversations of several top officials, mostly related to the ruling party.

source: warsaw voice.

After reading a number of articles related to Polish tape scandal I personally believe the reaction has been blown out of all proportions, can PO recover and what could they do?
smurf 39 | 1,971
1 Jul 2014 #2
I really thought it would have fallen by a lot more.
Seems to be that most people see this for what it is......... a small storm in a very small teacup.

I'm waiting for them to release what they recorded from Kaczinsky's dinner meetings.

Also, this survey was carried out on behalf of Rzeczpospolita , not exactly an objective source. Most of it's readers being of a PiS persuasion, illustrated by their support staying the same. Which also means that the Rzeczpospolita readers who have left PO's side have actually gone to SLD. Let's not mention Nowa Prawica JKM, they don't count and will be wiped out at the next election.
mafketis 37 | 10,866
1 Jul 2014 #3
I'm waiting for them to release what they recorded from Kaczinsky's dinner meetings.

that should be "Kaczynski's"

That's why his reactions have been (for him) relatively muted. He knows they've got **** on him too.
smurf 39 | 1,971
1 Jul 2014 #4
Kaczynski

tomato, tomato, potato, potato :P

That's why his reactions have been (for him) relatively muted. He knows they've got **** on him too.

Yea, I can't wait to hear the batsh!t crazy stuff he comes out with. Bet PiS's rating will take a dive then too.
WielkiPolak 56 | 1,008
4 Jul 2014 #5
Oh I'm sure the mainstream media will figure out a way to keep frightening people with PiS. It's literally their only defense of PO these days....'yeah it sucks, but think, it could be PiS, or even PiS and Korwin Mikke together. Vote for the corrupt guys, at least they are not PiS and Korwin Mikke.'
sylvio
4 Jul 2014 #6
Hey Warszawski, next time you go out shoping, ask 10 people at random which falanga they support. Then, make a little table in Excel to show %. You will be able to publish more accurate stats that way, if that is indeed your intention.
WielkiPolak 56 | 1,008
4 Jul 2014 #7
It depends on the area he is in though. He'd have to shop around Poland.

To be fair though, even the mainstream anti PiS media is showing PiS 1st in the polls, but quite a few percent.
Harry
4 Jul 2014 #8
To be fair though, even the mainstream anti PiS media is showing PiS 1st in the polls, but quite a few percent.

That doesn't matter. The problem PiS face is that nobody will form a coalition with them, which means they will need to win an outright majority, and they have no chance of doing that.
OP poland_
4 Jul 2014 #9
The problem PiS face is that nobody will form a coalition with them,

If Korwin- Mikke party translates support into seats in the 2015 election PIS could win. There is a lot of anti EU sentiment in Poland and the leaked tapes have shocking given rise to the new right.
Monitor 14 | 1,818
4 Jul 2014 #10
Korwin said that he could form a coalition with anybody, also with PIS.
OP poland_
4 Jul 2014 #11
PIS and the New Right is a natural coalition if the situation lends itself.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,278
4 Jul 2014 #12
JK-M strongly resents PiS as a "socialist" party. But in his latest interview (with Monika Olejnik in her "Kropka nad i" programme on TVN this week) I heard some mild conciliatory tones in his answers to the interviewer as to the forming a possible coalition with them (or better say not excluding such a coalition after all). Whatever you may think of him, he is extremely logical and consistent in his views and the so-called "socialism" is his worst enemy, much in the way as it was for the late unforgettable milk-snatcher Maggie Thatcher. Asked by Mrs. Olejnik if he would like to become Prime Minister of Poland after the election, he said that most of all he would like to become a dictator. - "I am perhaps a bit too old for this post of prime-minister which is of executive power by character" - said this 70-year old politician, but quickly added - "but you will be very much surprised to hear what I am still capable of doing at this age of mine" to which very vivid and seemingly sincere statement this very experienced lady journalist blushed as a schoolgirl. - "I feel best at strategic thinking" - went on Janusz Korwin-Mikke, father of six and the Country Master in the Game of Bridge.
WielkiPolak 56 | 1,008
4 Jul 2014 #13
That doesn't matter. The problem PiS face is that nobody will form a coalition with them

As warszawski has touched on and Monitor mentioned, Korwin Mikke will do a lot to get in to parliament. He'd sooner join the 'socialist' PiS than the post communists. He has had a lot of support and polls have him as being around 8% for now. If he can raise that just a little and PiS don't lose anything and perhaps gain a little more, who knows. The main danger for PiS is losing supporters to Nowa Prawica. If someone is to vote for Nowa Praiwca, they need it to be former PO supporters.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,585
24 May 2017 #14
Id say most of the people who support po in poland are center left. Yes there are going to be a few far leftists in po just as there are far right people in pis. They're not like the far leftists in the us who torch cars, call for removal of borders, destroying the family unit, unchecked migration, etc.

People in Poland that support po as well as po's policies id say from the lens of an American look pretty centrist. One may even say they're a tad (neo)conservative since even on things like immigration, gay marraige, drug legalization po was very cautious and didn't jump in head first and take the wests example. Id say this is due to a mix of centuries old polish Roman Catholic values which are still extremely strong in Poland mixed with a willingness to maintain a relationship with the west while preserving their own unique identity and not allowing foreigners to determine the fate of poles. Even the younger family and friends in poland that support po I would consider centrist or even a tad conservative based on their views.

Even when po was in power they rather reluctantly agreed to take in some thousand or two migrants with much of polish society in uproar over that decision. It seems the vast majority of polish society wanted to keep poland polish and didn't want to get on the sort of slippery slope that Sweden and Germany experienced. On the other hand when pis tried to make the abortion laws more prohibitive people especially women were in uproar. It seems that poles just want a happy medium. Its a sort of liberalism that when compared to the west's appears open minded but cautious and still centrist perhaps even a tad conservative.
Nathans
24 May 2017 #15
As I'd mentioned in the past, Poland has fallen for the fake 'left-right' BS and now it will go on for years to come; every few years the voters will switch between the two of them, but in the long term not much would change (ie. the EU politics will be followed one way or another).
pawian 222 | 24,365
19 Oct 2022 #16
the tape scandal.

The latest findings are that the tape scandal is directly linked to RuSSian espionage. What is interesting, though, PiS controlled counterintelligence dropped the investigation coz they didn`t want to harm PiS party which took a huge advantage of the tapes in taking power in 2015.

The opposition leader Tusk demands an investigation commission to be created, while PiS refuses. Very interesting.
Cojestdocholery 2 | 1,191
20 Oct 2022 #17
The latest findings

You mean those rumors made up by morons the same morons that can't win an election and balme it on others. lol! That just show how stupid they are and how those few that love that crap are just loon fringe. They make all those who would vote on PO stay at home. As they rather PiS stay in power than let those tin foil morons full of hate loose.

They are so stupid and toxic that they are even unable to pretend to be normal.
pawian 222 | 24,365
22 Oct 2022 #18
You mean those rumors made up

Not made up but found out by inquisitive investigating journalists.

morons that can't win an election

You must be talking about nationalist Konfederacja guys. :):):)

They make all those who would vote on PO stay at home

Really??? Why are the polls getting more and more favourable for PO then???


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