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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


isthatu2 4 | 2,704
11 Apr 2012 #451
Gun ownership is legal in the U.S..I was just curious if this is so in Poland

Maybe compare murder rates between the two countries and make a wild guess.
Basically, people with a good reason to own a firearm can.
The pro gun lobby in the US constantly lies about European gun laws just to stir fear. Ive no criminal record or history of severe mental disorders so,if I wanted to I can get a firearms licience pretty easily here in the UK. Maybe not some of the absurd stuff I could own in the US (come on,who needs assault rifles for hunting or *home defence* ?) but certainly something that could put a stop to,say, a two legged Deer if I needed to ;)
SeanBM 35 | 5,808
11 Apr 2012 #452
if I wanted to I can get a firearms licience pretty easily here in the UK.

yeah but can you get a gun in the bank when opening an account? :)


Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
11 Apr 2012 #453
I would support more funding for education first. When a population is well-educated and has opportunities then that population, with or without guns will be a peaceful one.
f stop 25 | 2,513
11 Apr 2012 #454
I thought only Americans believe that if everyone had a gun, there would be no victims.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
11 Apr 2012 #455
I didn't notice the previous thread.As for pro gun lobbyists lying about Europe I wouldn't know.People often cite the murder rate of the U.S.

when this issue comes up.How many of these murders involve a gun?You'd be surprised.The Media sensationalizes it so much that you

would think it is commonplace to witness a shooting here.It's not.It's not as easy to obtain a gun legally here as one might think.It is easier

down south,but still not a cakewalk.I believe in the right to bear arms.When I lived in Alaska I owned several and had a lot of fun target

shooting.They are also good for protection should the need arise.It was easier then to get guns.Early 90's.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
11 Apr 2012 #456
While I do find it iritating, that despite having no criminal record etc, despite fulfilling all the requirements for owning a gun, some random policeman have decided that I "don't really need it".

On the other hand, American style gun ownnership? Is it good for defence? I don't think so. Without guns, if I am being attacked by some thugs, I do stand some chance to defend myself, or to escape. But, if both I and them, are armed though... I am dead meat, no point to even try to run away.

Also, I can imagine football hooligans, going down the street, shooting theirs shotguns at random cars, or windows, if one can just buy long gun in a shop.

As it is now, even the "dedicated" criminals, that would be able to illegally acquire a gun, may choose not to, as owning the gun, that say, was found during random search in his house, is enough to send him into prison.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
11 Apr 2012 #457
I'm thinking more along the lines of home invasion.You can deter someone pretty quickly.You do have people who are irresponsible and
do stupid things with guns;but by and large this is not the case.Where I live in Massachusetts the gun laws are probably the toughest

the country.It is a mandatory year in prison for an unregistered gun.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
11 Apr 2012 #458
I'm thinking more along the lines of home invasion.

That sort of home invasion common in some countries is non existent in Poland. In Argentina simply having a gun isn't enough, you have to kill your attackers as even shooting them once isn't sufficient.
kondzior 12 | 1,200
11 Apr 2012 #459
The thing is, America had had a cenuries to get used to gun ownage, to develop a gun culture. That would eventually happen in Poland as well. But the process of getting there, it would be rather painfull decades.

As for home invasion, if it ever happens to me, I have prepared... well let me just call it a blunt weapon. And I'd feel much safer wielding my blunt weapon against thugs armed with, say, knives, then shooting a gun at the bandit, who shoots back.

Hovever, I'd not mind if there was clear set of requirements, very harsh ones, for geting a gun license. As it is now, even if you fulfilled them with flying colors, it is still up to police' whim if they grant the license to you or not. 99% of the cases, you dont get it anyway, no explanation given.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
11 Apr 2012 #460
If someone attacks me in my house with a gun I'd rather have a gun;If they don't you can just flash it and you don't have to hurt any one.

Has there ever been a push to own guns in Poland,Peterweg?I agree with Kondzior about Poland having to develop a gun culture.I am

just curious about how the Polish view gun ownership.Is there hunting in Poland.I mean for food not sport.
nunczka 8 | 458
11 Apr 2012 #461
People in Poland have no need for a gun. Compared to America Poland is pretty well crime free. But with Multiculturism it will come.

America is close to a race war.. Read some American Papers and get educated.. We have a bad minority problem..Whites are attacked on the streets, we have home invasions, and drug problems.. White's are fleeing our cities in droves. Even the liberals are starting to arm themselves. America is a war zone dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126736/Shocking-video -tourist-getting-beaten-crowd-bystanders-laughs-Baltimore-St-Patricks- Day-parade.html
p3undone 8 | 1,135
11 Apr 2012 #462
I don't know what He's talking about.Booze and St.Paddy's, a volatile mix!How is the crime rate in Poland?If anyone would answer my

previous questions I'd appreciate it.My belief in the right to bear arms doesn't only have to do with crime.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
11 Apr 2012 #463
If someone attacks me in my house with a gun I'd rather have a gun;If they don't you can just flash it and you don't have to hurt any one.

You or your family are 1000 times more likely to accidentally kill yourself before you are ever attacked in your home. If you have a gun there is no point to flash it, train to use it and use it. Its not a badge.

Has there ever been a push to own guns in Poland,

No, not really.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
11 Apr 2012 #464
Compared to America Poland is pretty well crime free.

perhaps, but I can't help but think you're only accounting for violent crime in your interpretation. There's plenty of crime here in terms of low level corruption. Alas, when we think of criminals we, often mistakenly, don't usually picture men and women in designer clothing
nunczka 8 | 458
11 Apr 2012 #465
Yes , You are right in your assumption. At one time America was very much like today Poland. But after the 1960 America was starting to go down hill. The black birth rate exploded. Girls as young as 14 were beginning to give birth to illegitimate children at the rate of 75% i. The are no Fathers. The Government supported them and they continue to multiply. In 20 years it is said that the white people will be a minority in America. They are allowed to roam the streets in packs, like Jackals attacking anybody. White neighbourhoods are being destroyed by white flight. All that it takes is for one family to move in,and the for sale signs go up. No city is safe anymore.

Gun sales have gone through the roof.. Manufacturers cant keep up with the demand. Ammunition is scarce.. My wife carries a Glock 40 at all times We have a stand your ground law in Florida that allows on to use a weapon in self defence. We along with many others spend a lot of time on the gun range.

Along with myself, my wife has become a good shot. I carry a heavier gun.. An ACP Colt 45.. No. We are not Cowboys.. This is what America is like today

thugreport.com

Enjoy Poland while you can.. It is heading your way.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
11 Apr 2012 #466
Peterweg,Where did you get a statistic like that?If you can flash a gun on someone who broke into your house with say a club in his

hand,disaster averted.If they see the barrel of the gun.It's a pretty safe bet they will desist.Let's say a 1000 to 1 they will.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
11 Apr 2012 #467
If you have a gun there is no point to flash it, train to use it and use it.

Exactly.
Dont you ever consider that criminals who break into Homes in the US carry guns BECAUSE the owner probably has guns?
Euro house breakers tend to be armed with a screw driver, a cricket bat trumps that every time :)
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,954
12 Apr 2012 #468
so much more civilized don't you think?
I keep a cricket bat behind the front door, such a great weapon, (especially against zombies)
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
12 Apr 2012 #469
so much more civilized don't you think?

Well,to be honest, Ive a Louisville Slugger,old school wooden Baseball bat :)
Used to carry it in my car when I had to drive in some of the less classy parts of the country,a few mates on the force so I always had my mit and a couple of Baseballs in the car too ;)

As for Zombies,Ive still plenty of 33s and a trunk full of 45s for that :)
p3undone 8 | 1,135
12 Apr 2012 #470
Some people attack with knives,Not as many Americans own guns as you may think.Quite a bit do not.If someone comes through
the door with a gun,I want a gun to answer with.The only flash is going to be from a muzzle.I'm not going to take a chance with a

bat.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
13 Apr 2012 #471
My wife carries a Glock 40 at all times We have a stand your ground law in Florida that allows on to use a weapon in self defence. We along with many others spend a lot of time on the gun range.Along with myself, my wife has become a good shot. I carry a heavier gun.. An ACP Colt 45.. No. We are not Cowboys.. This is what America is like today

It seems like you're focusing on symptoms. I will state this again: I firmly believe when a population is well educated and enjoys opportunities to fairly improve their lives then they are a happy and relatively peaceful bunch. I am not aware of any exceptions to this. Colour doesn't matter in that respect. Colour can only indicate with whom there is a problem but it doesn't solve WHAT that problem is. And NO colour is not the problem.
nunczka 8 | 458
13 Apr 2012 #472
Great. People like you are living in a dream world. Ya'all have no clue in the world as what is happening in America... Below is a clip from what is going on. This is as of this week

glennbeck.com/2012/04/09/new-black-panthers-bloodshed-and-revolution-long-overdue

This is what we live with. In the mean time I will pack my ACP 45. ( With hollow nose bullets )
p3undone 8 | 1,135
13 Apr 2012 #473
Nuncka, What America do you live in?If there has been any upheaval it probably has something to do with the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

As an American I can tell you this is not widespread.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704
13 Apr 2012 #474
If there has been any upheaval it probably has something to do with the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Crap situation all round.
It would seem Zimmerman is guilty as sin,but, he will never get a fair trial now.
He is,legally,fcuked. What judge is going to risk giving him a proportional sentence now?
Moral of the story here is, *Call the Cops,when they tell you to back the F off,you back the F off*.
nunczka 8 | 458
13 Apr 2012 #475
Nuncka, What America do you live in?If there has been any upheaval it probably has something to do with the shooting of Trayvon Martin.
As an American I can tell you this is not widespread.

Try this on for size.

neighborhoodscout.com/neighborhoods/crime-rates/top100dangerous

It would seem Zimmerman is guilty as sin,but, he will never get a fair trial now.

Zimmerman is in big ass trouble. But it only takes one juror to claim a reasonable doubt to blow the whole case. The concealed weapon law will do a lot to vindicate him. The trial will be moved to another part of Florida with a diversified Jury. Who was more guilty than OJ Simpson,and Casey Anthony? The jury freed them..

But then again, What juror will have the balls to vote for a not guilty?
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769
13 Apr 2012 #476
Great. People like you are living in a dream world. Ya'all have no clue in the world as what is happening in America... Below is a clip from what is going on. This is as of this week ... This is what we live with. In the mean time I will pack my ACP 45. ( With hollow nose bullets )

So you're saying that it's colour, not culture and not economics and not education and not religion and not short-sighted political motives and not corruption and nothing else except colour that is the problem in America?

Have I interpreted your words correctly or is there something I missed in your response?
WielkiPolak 58 | 1,034
13 Apr 2012 #477
I would, if only there were not so many insane people. You just know bad stuff would be happening if people could own guns. To be honest I think giving out driving licenses to people is enough, or even too much still, since there are so many psychopaths on the roads. I wonder if there is some statistic that shows Poland to be the worst for road deaths? It would not surprise me it it was.
jasondmzk
11 Jul 2012 #478
Merged: Guns: Instruments of Death. Poland, Play Another Tune

You judge a man by the tools of his trade. A scholar has his books; a painter has his oils, a musician his trumpet. And a barbarian has his guns. My grandfather was a terrible shot, yet he still managed to kill a few Krauts on his trek to save the world. His uncle, Henry, was in the OSS (early C.I.A.), and eradicated battalions and civilians alike by pointing his finger on a map. These great men, these educated siblings, knew even then that killing shouldn't be so easy. After the war, they went on with government jobs, buy used their knowledge not hone weapons of war, but to develop the formulas of glass convexity that allowed families to watch tv from anywhere in the room, and not directly on the floor, staring at a searing cathode tube, as had been necessary before the Brothers Marcus came along. We never had guns in our house. I didn't even get my first water pistol until my dad had me for visitation one Summer and decided a boy need to hold something longer than it is wide, and to aim it at people. There are too many guns out there, whether you believe people have a right to own them or not. The 2nd Amendment is not a biblical text. It was written by fallible men during fallible times. 100,000 Americans alone are affected by gun violence every year. This is not due "the right people" having guns with which to stop "wrong people" from using theirs. There's no way, absolutely not a single way to determine who's gonna go from "right person" to "wrong".
Ironside 50 | 10,939
11 Jul 2012 #479
Poles should enjoy the right to won guns, unfortunately it is not so.
p3undone 8 | 1,135
11 Jul 2012 #480
Jasondmanzk,The guns were used when needed right?True the constitution is not the bible,so I guess you could use that logic to take away

any right?100,000 people affected every year,how many of them are actually shot?Any deaths gun related is tragic,no doubt,but 100,000
out of 380 mil is not a large number compared to the size of the population when compared to other causes of death by violent nature.

Take a look at the stats for stabbing,bludgeoning and strangulation deaths in a year,I think you will be surprised.People have killed people

since day 1 with or without guns.I am not selective when it comes to the rights in the constitution,I believe in the right to own guns,same as

the right to freedom of speech.


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