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Laws on walking a dog in Polska


jon357 63 | 15,214
25 Jan 2014 #31
Publicly admitting his guilt by confessing it here could still 'land him in hot water'.

I doubt that. Do you get all hot and bothered about cats as well?

How could she say something like that seeing a tiny puppy, unbelievable .

There are people like that. A neighbour of mine killed a dog because he was bored with it.
monia 3 | 212
25 Jan 2014 #32
Every time someone tells me their dog is their best friend, I think to myself "you should keep that a secret...".
Your dog will protect you, and try to do what you want to the best of its ability because you are its meal ticket.

Haha , yeah dogs always think about a meal just like us people .

Carefuly look at below link that contradicts your immature theory .

joemonster.org/art/2132
peterweg 37 | 2,321
25 Jan 2014 #33
I doubt that. Do you get all hot and bothered about cats as well?

Huh? I'm talking about his threats against the woman. I have no problem what his dog does, I love dogs too.

The Forest Rangers and hunters are a different issue, the woman can always complain to the Ranger and he is perfectly entitled to do something about a foul mouthed thug who refuses to control his dog.
monia 3 | 212
26 Jan 2014 #34
I'm talking about his threats against the woman.

What are you talking about ? What kind of a threat would a 4 months old puppy create for that woman ? Without a doubt that mentally unstable woman was a way bigger threat for that puppy .
OP Dougpol1
26 Jan 2014 #35
Huh? I'm talking about his threats against the woman. I have no problem what his dog does, I love dogs too.

My father would have blustered and protested " But my dear woman....." when rudely challenged and threatened by that woman. For myself if she had spoken English, I would just have told her what she could do. Especially after she didn't reply to me as "Pan" when I had already profusely apologised - what is the Polish word for sorry by the way? All I ever hear is " Niestety".

So don't try and teach an Englishman manners sonny - we invented the language of good manners - thanks to the French tis true, but your culture is sadly lacking in a lot of them.

I now suggest you do one, is that foul mouthed enough for you, Mr obseqious patronising chappie?

http:joemonster.org/art/21321

Swietnie - lubiłem bezdomna psa labrador - must get the Collins dictionary out :) And revise those declensions :(
peterweg 37 | 2,321
26 Jan 2014 #36
What are you talking about ?

I replied that I would pay a hitman if they did that.
Then she produced a gas canister and fiddled around with it (my lab was ambling around wagging his tail - he's a fukking labrador for God's sake.
She said she would use the gas, so I said please don't becauseI would follow you home and burn your house down.

Those threats
poland_
26 Jan 2014 #37
Many people in Poland are legal illiterates , but they have big mouth ,the less they know the biggest cry they stir up :).

Monia is there a Polish law which states below a certain temperature you don't have to pick up the poo, the reason I ask is I am the only person who seems to have black bag in hand these days?
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
26 Jan 2014 #38
s there a Polish law which states below a certain temperature you don't have to pick up the poo,

There must be. I've never seen dog poo in Antarctica.

I am the only person who seems to have black bag in hand these days?

No, no, black bags are for use in the summer. White bags are the correct color in the winter. Your dog must be embarrassed walking with you :)
slawekk - | 18
26 Jan 2014 #39
As far as I know the woman was correct saying that a ranger could should your dog if it was off leash in a state forest. This is extremely unlikely to happen in practice in the presence of the owner. We walk our dog every day in a forest and typically he is off leash - except when passing by other dogs.

There are people that are afraid of dogs or just don't wish to be sniffed. Because of that it is a polite thing to do to keep your dog from coming close to people unless they explicitly say it's OK. If you can't do it without a leash, then use a leash. This is for your dog safety too - they might use a pepper spray on your dog and you if you react violently to that.

What you said about hiring a hit man and burning a house classifies as "groźby karalne" (art. 190 § 1 kk) and could land you in prison for up to 2 years if she a had a witness or a recording device on her.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
26 Jan 2014 #40
This is extremely unlikely to happen in practice in the presence of the owner.

True, its the same as the UK in that respect. Farmers there would be discrete.

if she a had a witness or a recording device on her.

Well - by posting it here - he has gone one better and provided a signed confession.
OP Dougpol1
26 Jan 2014 #41
I am sorry to burst your little fantasy about Dougpol bowing down before the Polish courts Peterweg :) If I had mentioned the woman by name then there might be a case. As it is, you are obviously the schoolboy footballer who tries to get the ref to book the other lad for nothing much.

We all know what happens to school snitches, dont we? :))

Thanks for the legal update Slawekk. Myself I am not Polish and don't conform to laws that are accepted by the downtrodden masses and clearly from communist times. Just as Poles in the Tri-city flout traffic laws drive like madmen through town and happily boast that they "like to drive aggressively".

The result - 3 people killed last month on Grunwaldzka in separate incidents purely through speed . It's a straight road for Chrissakes for 8 kilometres - only Poles can do this! :))

Me and my dog meanwhile are bothering no-one.
poland_
26 Jan 2014 #42
Thanks for the legal update Slawekk. Myself I am not Polish and don't conform to laws that are accepted by the downtrodden masses and clearly from communist times.

You're such a card, Dougpol1

Why start a thread about laws on walking a dog in Polska, if you have no concerns?
For what its worth, if someone verbally attacked my wife or daughters and issued death threats I would hunt them down and deal with them as the cowards they are. I am sure I am not the only person who would deal in this appropriate manner.
peterweg 37 | 2,321
26 Jan 2014 #43
If I had mentioned the woman by name then there might be a case.

You have made a written statement for your guilt, fully traceable to you, no doubt to your home address. You are idiot.
OP Dougpol1
26 Jan 2014 #44
For what its worth, if someone verbally attacked my wife or daughters, or my dog and issued death threats I would hunt them down and deal with them as the cowards they are. I am sure I am not the only person who would deal in this appropriate manner.

Glad to correct it for you Warszawki.

The point is - this woman thought she was talking to a Pole - and you as a nation are used to letting your women talk to you that way.

After all - the houses you live in were built by your mothers. And Polish men don't know wherfe the kitchen is. Ask Mr Kaczynski.

Now run along - there's a good chap.

You have made a written statement for your guilt, fully traceable to you, no doubt to your home address.

I wont sleep a wink tonight - waiting for the knock on the door. Are you as expert on everything else as you are on Internet laws?

If so, my street could do with a professional cleaning :) You are good value Peterweg, for a dark Sunday afternoon, hidden behind that keyboard.
monia 3 | 212
26 Jan 2014 #45
the reason I ask is I am the only person who seems to have black bag in hand these days?

I always clean after my dog . There is law regarding this subject , but not respected , because of too small fines and not too many units fighting against this problem . There should be more sestrictve measures taken . I see it as a big problem in major cities . Poles are known for not abiding rules which I regard as a sign of immature society .

I know the woman was correct saying that a ranger could should your dog if it was off leash in a state forest.

You y don`t know the law either .
Recently the court punished such hunter by 1000 zł fine who shot a dog and levied him the withdrawal of right to keep a weapon.
It is ashame , because those vicuios people think that they can enforce law , the law that don`t exist . This dullard did not know about Law about the protection of animals provisions 11 .1 and 33.4, 33a 3 that states :

the manager of the hunting circuit may take measures to prevent wandering dogs in the circuit by:

1) advising the owner of the dog of the obligation to exercise control over the animal;

2) capture the dog and provide it to the owner, or a shelter for animals; capture the dog and provide the dog to the shelter at the expense of the owner.

Only feral dogs or cats who constitute extraordinary threat left without supervision and care in the hunting circuits at a distance greater than 200 meters from the buildings (if the conditions are cumulative) can be fought! It says clearly fought not killed.

Those cumulative conditions must be met at the same time .
I am very happy that such law has been revised ( the newest revision took place 30.07.2013 ) and a lot of crule peole can be prosecuted now in Poland together with vicious hunters , primitive villagers , farmers , ritual killers etc .

Provisions 10 a of above Law says - It is prohibited to let run dogs without the possibility of controling and without marking the identification of the owner or guardian.

So , in the Polish law there are no restrictions about muzzle and leash , however there are internal regulations in means public transportation , owners of public facilities , parks . But it is unlawful to issue a mandate or fine by anyone ( police or municipal guards ) for not abiding such regulations .

Summing - you can keep your dog without a muzzle and leash anywhere you want , but you have to keep control over him . Even in public places , you can only be aware when there is a sign " No dogs allowed " , you can expect that they could sue you and they could win the case . But in the regulation there should be information about their internal fee for not abiding their regulations . .
poland_
26 Jan 2014 #46
The point is - this woman thought she was talking to a Pole - and you as a nation are used to letting your women talk to you that way.

Its understandable she is in Poland and the language is Polish, as far as I know there is no separate civil code of Poland for foreigners. For the record old chap I am British.

After all - the houses you live in were built by your mothers

The apartment building I live in was built by a respected developer and would not look out of place in any capital city in Europe.

My house was built in the 1930's by a famous Polish architect.

Dougpol1, your attitude is a reflection of your feral upbringing and stinks of 'chav'

Jog on, you melt !
peterweg 37 | 2,321
26 Jan 2014 #47
Only feral dogs or cats who constitute extraordinary threat left without supervision and care in the hunting circuits at a distance greater than 200 meters from the buildings (if the conditions are cumulative) can be fought! It says clearly fought not killed.

So a dog chasing deer is fair game.
OP Dougpol1
26 Jan 2014 #48
There's more Monia. People think it's against the law to take dogs into shopping centres and restaurants.
It isn't. It is at the discretion of the owners.
I asked security at Galeria Baltycka in Gdansk if I could take my dog in there to grab a Chrimbo present and they were fine with it - no dog banned signs on the doors. At the new Riveria shopping centre in Gdynia they have caught up with the times and there are the no dogs allowed emblems at the door. So dog and I don't use the Dougpol credit cards there. Simples.

Several restaurants keep a specific and discrete table for mutts and their owners. Sensible and correct. The dog lies on the floor immobile whilst me and pals tuck in.

In Gdansk there is no bye-law that you must have dog on lead in a public forest. I checked. As a result people walk their dog off lead where safe to do so. I have now been advised that Gdynia is a different matter, but they go can suck on it.

Meaning - some city councils (Gdansk) are not anti-dog. Some City councils (Gdynia) seem to be.

As I speak, dog is asleep in his cage, but is ready to repel any undesirables that Peterweg could dream up in his vodka addled chats with his forester father -in-law :))

warszawski

In that case Warszawski you are a bigger twerp than I gave you credit for, and the sort of Brit I moved away from England to get away from. I think our paths have crossed before - but why you would set yourself up as moral authority, when you don't know the situation in hand, is a poser.

Maybe you are a merchant banker?

So a dog chasing deer is fair game

Absoloutely. Or chasing sheep.

In the meantime - I once resued a traumatised roe deer from a wire trap near Pryzowice airport in Katowice. If I had a gun I would have shot the villager who put that trap there. He is a criminal - whilst an untrained dog would just be following it's instincts.

Thank you Monia for the post re: dog laws. Good work. There are far too many here (in this beautiful country) who spout off at strangers about "breaking" the law - the same people who blankly look right through you when you greet them in the street with a cheery dzien dobry or a smile and a nod.

Weird, but as Warsawski states, I am but a chav, and incapable of understanding this rudeness after 21 years living here. Of course I will continue to get annoyed at people who think they are vigilantes - but will stand by in groups and do nothing at all when a man is punched and kicked unconscious on the street (Chorzowska in Katowice, last Sylwester - for those who remember that thread)
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
26 Jan 2014 #49
So I decided to stuff and mount my dog to avoid having to meet any more gas wielding nutters :))

Photo to come to satisfy Peterweg - and hopefully he will call the internet police off. Peterweg, I'm sorry!
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
26 Jan 2014 #50
I don't think he suffered much, and I can always look at him up there behind the fire. It's not all bad. Thank you Peterweg for helping me to see the light!



Harry
26 Jan 2014 #51
Doug, you might just want to take with a lorry-load of salt any legal advice you get from a supposed lawyer who displays here complete and utter ignorance of Polish law regarding libel. Also, as I've already said, people just shoot dogs and then remove the collar that dog was wearing.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
26 Jan 2014 #52
It's too late Harry - the dog is stuffed and mounted, and I suggest that Peterweg goes and gets the same :)
jon357 63 | 15,214
26 Jan 2014 #53
So a dog chasing deer is fair game.

Deer is delicious game - that's why it's hunted.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
26 Jan 2014 #54
Yes, but try telling that to the Kings and Queens of England. Wasn't it that BBC documentary series on the dynasties that brought the publics' attention to the fact that the nobilty in the Middle Ages were dying in their thirties through liver failure, through eating too much game?

I wish the same on those viilagers I mentioned, who think nothing of trapping these beasts, over-bred pests though they be. (the villagers and the deer)
slawekk - | 18
26 Jan 2014 #55
Monia: Indeed, my knowledge about the (legal) right of hunters to shoot a dog that is not on leash in a state forest was not up to date. That was the case until the end of 2011. starting from 2012 it is not. As for "you can keep your dog without a muzzle and leash anywhere you want", probably not, see biuletyn-prawny.pl/konsekwencje-puszczania-luzem-psa-w-lesie-7.html
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
26 Jan 2014 #56
That's all very interesting Slawek - I would have thought the law can be interpreted as:

Dogs are not allowed to be taken into the forest for non licensed hunting purposes - aka - they are hunting breeds and trained as such.

Dogs must not be encouraged or permitted to freely hunt aggressively as their breed inclines them to do.

Both the above are obvious to anybody with half a brain-lobe.

I do not include some bint in this who has gone shopping in the Klif in Sopot and decided to go walking in the forest in 3,000 zlotys of sports wear. That's her choice - but she can't complain when a sociable lab puppy plants his grubby paws on her legs when she approaches us when we are playing catch and retrieve.

If foresters went around will-nilly shooting old ladies' dauchshounds for going down fox holes or young city boys' Spaniels for plunging into forest lakes full of (non-existent) wildlife then we would have social civil war on our hands.

The report you post is useful, but the public need some CLEAR direction as to the law - posted at the edge of the forest - and then cows like this woman I met can know that they don't own the forest by spouting rightfully outmoded law and threatening my dog with gas.

Thank you ;))
poland_
26 Jan 2014 #57
Weird, but as Warsawski states, I am but a chav, and incapable of understanding this rudeness after 21 years living here.

It's not a lie if you believe it.
Dougpol1 32 | 3,296
26 Jan 2014 #58
warszawski

I was right! You are a merchant banker Warsawski! I am an expert at assessing people! :)) But I wonder what you do for a living - we can only conjecture.
poland_
26 Jan 2014 #59
A modern day Robin Hood you are Dougpol1, hanging out in the forest with your merry group of non conformists. I guess you cite all things "Thatcher" as your reason for leaving the UK, :-)

A man can get discouraged many times but he is not a failure until he begins to blame somebody else and stops trying. JB
monia 3 | 212
26 Jan 2014 #60
"you can keep your dog without a muzzle and leash anywhere you want",

There are restrictions only in the forests . There is an old law from 1991 "about forests " , because of the protection of the wild game dogs cant be left off . But no one will going to bother you if you keep your dog under control. I always go to the Kampinos National Park , and I have never had any problem with the guards . But lets be reasonable , no one can shoot a dog in Poland when the dog is left alone or is lost in the forest , as that woman and few other posters said . The owner can be fined if the situation takes palce in the forest ( only one situation based on art 166 of the Misdemeanor Act ) . Outside the forest you have to check for the signs " keep your dog on leash ". You can however enter the restricted area , but no policemen or civic guard can issue a fine or mandate . Only the administrator can sue you in a civil suit if you did not abide their internal regulations . In the restaurant or in a hotel it is up to the owner . On the guarded beaches , there are signs and informations about fees for breaking the regulations . But there are unguarded beaches where you can stay with your furry friend . My suggestion is always to follow common sense .

Dougpol1 - I am fully aware that there is a lot of thugs who can , being in groups, beat up foreigners or intimidate them for no reason. A lot of people will ignore dangerous situations and will not help even someone`s life is in danger . People are indifferent , not willing to interfere , I don`t condone such conduct and it is appalling. I have to admit, as an advocate, that the blame for this lies with the judiciary system . In Poland, the judges administer too low punishments within the lowest statutory limits .

But gradually I hope that this sick system will start to run normally.

Dogs are not allowed to be taken into the forest for non licensed hunting purposes - aka - they are hunting breeds and trained as such.

Dogs must not be encouraged or permitted to freely hunt aggressively as their breed inclines them to do.

Both the above are obvious to anybody with half a brain-lobe.

You are 100% right . This outdated law should be revised soon.


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