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IS "MURZYN" word RACIST?


kaprys 1 | 1,355    
21 Aug 2017  #511
@rozumiemnic
You have just called me a nasty racist because I dare to disagree with you about a word that is neutral in Polish and because I said the society today sometimes(!) gets carried away with political correctness. You even suggested a fight. Seriously?
jon357 65 | 13,627    
21 Aug 2017  #512
Moors

Moors are a particular cultural group, there are 'white moors' and 'black moors'. Refering to the whole of Africa (and people of colur elsewhere) as Moors, is a bit like calling all white people Kaszubs.





rozumiemnic 8 | 3,717    
21 Aug 2017  #513
You even suggested a fight

I did? where was that?
Oh did you mean where I suggested you go up to a black man and call him a moor?

is that what you mean? well there wouldnt be a fight if your term was so acceptable and inoffensive would there?

honestly Kaprys, once someone starts whining about not being able to use racist terms, complaining that we are 'too PC' ...then I can see what kind of people they are.

wouild you like to be called a dumb Polack?
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
21 Aug 2017  #514
Yes, that's what I mean.
Pollack in English isn't neutral. Murzyn in Polish is.
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #515
Oh did you mean where I suggested you go up to a black man and call him a moor?

English speaking cultural imperialism at its best - transplanting the notions of the words from English to Polish - because we know better you know
jon357 65 | 13,627    
21 Aug 2017  #516
honestly Kaprys, once someone starts whining about not being able to use racist terms, complaining that we are 'too PC' ...then I can see what kind of people they are.

Very well said, Roz.

Some people just fear whatever is different, is new. There are actually neurological reasons some people feel that way. Use of certain words that offend some (the users always deny an intended offence, though when you hear who says it and the context they use it in, this doesn't always ring true) is a symptom of this.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
21 Aug 2017  #517
@jon357
The same applies to the word Maur in Polish. It may mean someone from North Africa or Central/South Africa.
jon357 65 | 13,627    
21 Aug 2017  #518
The same

It isn't the same though, is it. The root is the same.

Can't you find a way to speak about millions of people that doesn't objectify them?
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
21 Aug 2017  #519
Both of you are missing my point. The Polish word murzyn is neutral. Whether you like it or not. You can call me racist if that makes you feel better - that won't turn me into one.
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #520
There are actually neurological reasons some people feel that way.

I didn't know we have a neuroscientist here
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
21 Aug 2017  #521
Both 'murzyn' and 'Maur' are derived from Latin 'Maurus'. So is 'Moors', I believe. Is 'Moor' offensive?
jon357 65 | 13,627    
21 Aug 2017  #522
I didn't know

I suspect there are far more things you don't know than you do.

The Polish word murzyn is neutral

And is it always used with neutral intent? Is anyone ever offended to be described as that in a context where their roots aren't relevant?
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #523
Can't you find a way to speak about millions of people that doesn't objectify them?

how does that objectify them? care to explain?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,717    
21 Aug 2017  #524
Both of you are missing my point.

and you have ignored my point totally. Yes I generally think that people that take to public forums to whine about PC, are racist idiots. Just an observation.

It's not a word that is used to define your ancestry, so who are you to declare who should and shouldnt be offended by a non self referential term?.
jon357 65 | 13,627    
21 Aug 2017  #525
See above. Get a dictionary and check the meaning of the word 'context'. Better still, ask a person of colour about Casual Racism.
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #526
And is it always used with neutral intent?

you bloody imperialist Brit - you see I used the term Brit to insult you - we should ban the term Brit, no?

be offended by a non self referential term?.

to some black people in America the word ***** is a self-referential term, you must have heard about it
gregy741 3 | 1,122    
21 Aug 2017  #527
lol..wth? what are you arguing about?
18 pages arguing over nothing..."murzyn" is not offensive word in polish language..
jon357 65 | 13,627    
21 Aug 2017  #528
you bloody imperialist Brit

Entirely out of context (and as abuse). So obviously offensive. A weak example too.

we should ban

Or simply have the good manners to use language in order to specifically avoid causing offence. You might actually feel a better person if you try to choose words and phrases to affirm and be positive
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #529
be offended by a non self referential term?.

to some black people in America the word ***** is a self-referential term, you must have heard about it

are racist idiots.

we are racist idiots, me, you kaprys and greggy - all of the Polish anthropologists of the 20th century were racists idiots - they just didn't know it
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,717    
21 Aug 2017  #530
the word *****

do you mean nigg.er? why not just spell it out, you said it anyway. Yes I know. And your point is?
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #531
do you mean nigg.er?

it's not me who put asterixes in the place of nigg.a - it's the forum engine that did it - I'm not affraid to refer to this word and it being a self-reference by some black Americans
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
21 Aug 2017  #532
Apparently Miodek and Bralczyk are racist, too.
Not sure about John Godson, who doesn't mind the word.
You do realise 'murzyn' is not the equivalent of the 'n' word in English, don't you?
And it all started with me writing about an old Polish poem for kids in which murzynek is just like Polish kids and the author wrote it was a shame he didn't go to school with Polish kids. Ehh ...
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #533
Not sure about John Godson, who doesn't mind the word.

John Godson must be a self-hating 'murzyn', hahha :)
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,717    
21 Aug 2017  #534
You do realise 'murzyn' is not the equivalent of the 'n' word in English, don't you?

yes of course. You do see my point though dont you?
Stop whining about PC. At least you might think twice before trotting out that line again.
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #535
Not sure about John Godson, who doesn't mind the word.

John Godson must be a self-hating 'murzyn', hahha :) - it is the only explanation why he settled in the racist Poland
gumishu 11 | 4,850    
21 Aug 2017  #537
my financial status is none of your business
jon357 65 | 13,627    
21 Aug 2017  #538
Stop whining about PC

That's what it's all about really.

are derived from Latin

A language isn't its etymology - it's its use. Very very few people are even slightly aware about the derivation of the words they use. Far more are aware of the context in which they use them, their intent in selecting that lexeme, and the effect it may have on their listener or reader.
kaprys 1 | 1,355    
21 Aug 2017  #539
Just because I don't agree with people who take political correctness to the extreme doesn't mean I whine about it.
Such people often do more harm to those who are truly oppressed because of their race, sex, age etc. As political correctness is not only about race. Are you going to call me sexist if I think it is ridiculous to have politically correct traffic signals? Or accusing men of mansplaining even if they don't? Go ahead. Will I be told to face a six-foot feminist?
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,717    
21 Aug 2017  #540
Just because I don't agree with people who take political correctness to the extreme doesn't mean I whine about it.

but you did whine about it, without these gradations that you are now introducing.

Why on earth are you bubbling on about traffic signals now? Diversionary tactics? do you mean the ones in London? and what does a 'six foot feminist' have to do with it? confused.com



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