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IS "MURZYN" word RACIST?


jon357 63 | 15,378
5 Oct 2020 #661
got themselves to Spain

The same way any culture gets to a country. How did the Romans get to North Africa?

the word "murzyn"

Fortunately declining in use. Why objectify someone due to (inaccurate) ethnic characteristics...
pawian 175 | 13,561
5 Oct 2020 #662
How did the Romans get to North Africa?

By pure accident. They were chasing Hannibal. Not Lecter, of course.
jon357 63 | 15,378
5 Oct 2020 #663
By pure accident.

And pure design.

Empires come and go; the average length that they last is about 300 years.

Though the Moors ancesters were the Mauretanians (and the Mauritanians today retain part of their complex culture). Not all of them today can be called black (and many there would be offended at that description).

Best to give the word 'murzyn' a dignified and well-deserved burial after years of largely innocent use.
Mr Grunwald 27 | 1,816
6 Oct 2020 #664
@jon357
If you think I am advocating for the USE of the word "murzyn" then you are mistaken. I am only explaining why it might still be used by some and where it came from. I don't agree with using it at all.

@pawian
Indeed, the Carthaginians did have a colony in southern Iberian peninsula. But the tradition of Roman conquest was by military means. Not diplomatic ones
mafketis 24 | 8,936
6 Oct 2020 #665
give the word 'murzyn' a dignified and well-deserved burial

meh..... it mostly seems non-native speakers who are upset by it (especially English speakers)

and words like czarnoskóry - czarnoskóra are just.... ugly, you don't replace a word by fiat, you offer a better atlernative and czarnoskóry.... ain't better.
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #666
I don't agree with using it at all.

That's good. BTW, My understanding was that you were against using it.

words like czarnoskóry

How often does anyone need to describe skin colour in Polish and in what context?
Lenka 3 | 2,218
6 Oct 2020 #667
Even if just once one needs expression to do it. And what is wrong with that?
mafketis 24 | 8,936
6 Oct 2020 #668
How often does anyone need to describe skin colour in Polis

My "magic thinking" detector just went off.... if we make it hard to talk about racial identity then it'll be hard to be racist! Doesn't work that way....
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #669
non-native speakers who are upset by it

During my upbringing in the UK the word was never used in a negative context either by my family or the polish community.

We had a black guy that drank at the local polish club and he was referred to as murzyn , but also we had a guy called zaba (frog) because he wore bottle top glasses, also another one called cygan (gypsy) because of his dark skin, there was no malice just nick names .but these days the pc brigade are on the hunt for racists and anything can be used against someone white skinned to brand them as such.

So what's wrong in saying where is murzyn or zaba, I also had a nick. oh we also had one English guy called golden bollock$

At the bar you would say, have you seen murzyn,cygan or golden bollock$ today.

The worlds gone stupid, words once used in innocence are now vilified by the pc brigade, but all it is doing is fuelling hatred and division.
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #670
the pc brigade

The what?

During my upbringing in the UK

That was then, this is now.

Is there really a need to objectify people, especially when some of those objectified dislike it?
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #671
I can see you are a part of the politically correct brigade (pc), the whole idea of having a nick is that you didn't like it, the only guy in the bar with a good nick was murzyn because it just means black guy.

But murzyn and the rest of the Jamaicans that I knew refereed to a gay as a batty boy, now that to me is malicious.

So go tell the Jamaicans to stop using batty boy before you start worrying about zaba and golden bollock$.

Bet you are a right bore correcting everyone down the pub.
johnny reb 28 | 4,445
6 Oct 2020 #672
the politically correct brigade (pc)

If you say something they object to or dislike they go crying to their safe room because you hurt their feelings.
They get hot chocolate, crayons and a coloring book to make them feel all better.
How will they ever learn how to deal with reality once mama dies ?
Using the word Murzyn is in no way derogatory or racist.
It is what it is so deal with it.
Now if the word Czarnuch is used by a Murzyn calling another Murzyn a Czarnuch that's permissible but when a White person calls a Murzyn a Czarnuch it suddenly becomes objectified by the Murzyn.

The Blacks in the world want their own society within a society and use the word 'racist' as a crutch to do it.
Any word can be objectionable if used with an objectionable prefix word which makes the next word objectionable.
I find the words "Marxist Political Correctness" very offensive, objectionable and racist.
Ironside 49 | 10,691
6 Oct 2020 #673
I don't agree with using it at all.

Really? Ah that explain a lot. I mean your 'red' conservatism. I was wondering for a while. lol

The what?

you know the dumb, dumber and those quite stupid. No wise person would ever embrace such a nonsense, unless malicious.

Once again there is nothing wrong with the word murzyn. Some people just like to make it bad just to start dictate to people which words should be used and which not then what to think and what not to think.
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #674
everyone down the pub.

"Down the pub" 30 years ago, and probably a crappy pub.

Most people haven't used racial epithets for nicknames for a long long time.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #675
Murzyn is not racist ask any pole, you are suffering and trying to make a mends, because of your British imperialist slave trading heritage , Poles don't have your historic guilt / crimes to deal with.
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #676
Murzyn is not racist ask any pole

Among people actually from Poland, there is a diversity of opinion on this matter.

your British imperialist

Yours too.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #677
Poland, there is a diversity of opinion on this matter.

No there is not stop making things up.

Yours too.

I was born in the UK to Polish parents who had bugger all to do with black slavery and colonising countries.

Guess there are black people out there who resent these crimes against their people , the same way Poles resent what the communists did.

Its your problem , same as Germans with the Holocaust, so you should take a knee and pay reparations for your historic crimes as the Germans did.

Stop projecting your historic guilt on other nations who do not have such a torrid history when it comes to slavery and race relations.

In other words sort your own backyard out first, you carry the guilt and sin of your ancestors to this day, so sort yourself out, knock down more statues and pay reparations if it makes you feel better.

Stop trying to radicalize the Polish word murzyn into something racist in your quest to beat your chest and make yourself feel better for what your forefathers did.

Go to London and join in with the BLM movement, because the UK is the historic home of modern slavery and racism.
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #678
No there is

Yes there is. There is a diversity of opinion, even on these pages.

I was born in the UK

So you're a Brit. Even very.

Born, raised, educated and spent most of your life in your home country, Britain.

Poles resent what the communists did

Presumably not those millions of Poles who were happily Party members..
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #679
So you're a Brit. Even very.

Sorry I don't associate myself with any part of British colonialism, or the very many English words specially invented to dehumanize and demean people of a different race.

The English language over one hundred words that are racist. so tell me how many racist terms does Polish have in comparison?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

Do you get the picture its you and yours that have a problem , so deal with it.
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #680
Sorry I don't associate myself with any part of British colonialism

Who does?

words specially invented to dehumanize and demean people of a different race.

Like 'murzyn'.

Deal with it.
johnny reb 28 | 4,445
6 Oct 2020 #681
Among people actually from Poland,

Which is not you by any means.

No there is not stop making things up.

WHO ? jon, make propaganda up to spread here ?
dolno, that was one of your better posts and thank you.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #682
Like 'murzyn'.

Deal with it.

Put the focus back to where it belongs , you and your nations history.

Murzyn is not racist .

Foreign lefties like you are trying to make it so.

"historically a common Polish word for a black person"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murzyn
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #683
Which is not you by any means.

Says an attention seeker who's never been on the same continent and can't even pronounce the word in question.

One thing about Poland is that there's a diversity of opinion. Fortunately the word 'murzyn' is falling out of use.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #684
'murzyn' is falling out of use.

Because lefties are weaponizing it to bring discord and racial division as seen in the UK and USA.
jon357 63 | 15,378
6 Oct 2020 #685
Because lefties are

Or Poles are using it less and less...

to bring discord and racial division as seen in

Or just because most people are too inherently decent to objectify others.

There are however always rather pathetic exceptions.
dolnoslask 6 | 3,049
6 Oct 2020 #686
Or Poles are using it less and less...

But you won't find many that feel its racist (besides brainwashed lefties) , and that is the point here.

Discussion won and done ....... next please.

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