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e was doing being pregnant while after miscarriage
Not sure what you're claiming here. According to her husband it was her first pregnancy. But even if she had miscarried a child previously that does not necessarily mean that she can't have another child. Many women do. Some are advised not to. Was that so in her case?
with her sickness
Are you suggesting that the mother had an underlying medical condition which made it inadvisable for her to become pregnant? Reference was made to her underlying medical condition in the Catholic media but in the context of the infection which killed her, in the sense that it was not the baby per se which killed her, but rather E-coli resulting in septicaemia. If you have additional reliable information about this case then provide a link, it would be interesting.
There are two pertinent issues in this case. One is 'medical misadventure', that is failures in her treatment. The other is the abortion law.
The abortion law in Ireland allows for termination when a mother's life is in danger.
The medical team did not detect the threat to the mother's life.
Therefore a termination was not performed.
However, and this is the crux of the matter, the medical team,
did know that the child was not going to survive, that miscarriage was inevitable and yet when the mother
and father, requested that birth be induced, doctorrs felt unable to proceed simply on that basis due to the foetal heartbeat being present, as it would have been 'abortion on demand' and against the law.
Inducing the birth would not in itself have saved her life, but once the child had been delivered, it might have been more obvious to the medical team that the mother's pain was the result of something other than the miscarriage. She arrived in hospital on the Saturday having already been ill for two days, but the child did not die until the Wednesday. So for all those days her infection was taking greater hold till it reached a point of no return. If the law were different and the hospital had been able to induce birth on the night she arrived in hospital,who knows? And that's the point.
The coroner in the subsequent inquiry recommended that the law be reformed to provide additional clarification. If the abortion law were not an issue in the case, the coroner would not have felt it necessary to make that recommendation.
Finally and take note, the results of the subsequent inquiry by the Health Service, concluded that
'The interpretation of the law related to lawful termination in Ireland is considered to have been a material contributory factor'Are you describing me or yourself
And there's an example of the disrespect shown towards a woman who is herself a mother. Roz is a mother of two children whom she has carried through pregnancy, given birth to, loved, protected, nurtured and cared for to young adulthood and for most of that time, without the support of their father. She is far better placed than you to discuss this issue. She knows what it is to be a mother and to have the life of a child grow within her and love it even before it is born.
The huge stumbling block in this debate is that a man can never know what it feels like to be a woman and to be pregnant. There are not many women who trot off happily without a care in the world to casually abort their child. There are not many women who treat abortion as a form of contraception. There are a few nut jobs (Sinead O'Connor springs to mind with her three abortions is it?) but they are very much the exception. Abortion is an exceptional and last resort for most women. I, like the majority of normal women, would be horrifed and disgusted to see a world where abortion was treated as a casual thing that wasn't a big deal. It is. That's why most women carry on with their unplanned pregnancy and have the child anyway.
Well, that would be mighty inconvenient wouldn't be?
As for that crude, sarcastic comment about severely deformed or disabled children........
Have you ever spent time around the parents of a severely disabled child? And seen the love and devotion and suffering of those parents? Mothers do not abort disabled children because they are an incovenience. Have you reflected at all on the shock, the grief, the fear that a woman experiences when she's told that her child, the child that she has possibly longed for and planned for with her partner, will be born severely disabled. And whether she terminates the pregnancy or goes ahead, her life and the life of the father, will be permanently marked by that tragedy. I don't think any mother or father can ever get over it. You demonstrate such a total lack of empathy, compassion or understanding of human beings that you're simply unfit to be debating this topic. You're entitled to your views of course but you're not actually capable of engaging in any meaningful debate on the topic.
