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Vox   
12 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Let see if I understood correctly your floatation. I would need a hypothetical scenario to illustrate your way of thinking. Two people are squabbling, one pulls a knife, in ensuing struggle one stabs the other. What do we have here a brawl or an anti-Semitic attack?
Vox   
12 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

If you are incapable to understand two simple sentences, then what's the use to explain in detail?

I have asked you kindly to show us less attitude and more debating skills, Unless those thoughtless clichés are what pass for your thought process and it is all that you are capable to utter.

Did the person with a knife stab/attack the other person because the other person was a Jew?

Would than be your first step in the investigation you would have carried out in the hypothetical crime? Talking about bias, thank you sir.

"Does that change the fact that members of this ethnic group were also Poles (as in Polish citizens)?"
I understand now. According to you if they are perpetrators of a crime or an atrocity they are Poles but if the same people (according to your definition Poles) are in turn killed by a Pole without (dipole) Jewish background or DNA they would have transformed over night into Jews and automatically into victims of anti-Semitic crime..

I have no more questions Your Honour.
Vox   
12 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

"Nice of you to show the proper respect"
Your welcome Guv.

" however that isn't much of a question at all, since victims as well as perpetrators can be Poles of whatever heritage.In the post-war years both the groups you mention fell into both the categories you mention..."

Not according to the Patroniser above.
Vox   
13 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Because faith and/or ethnicity is used as a weird argument to support the notion that Poles are by no means responsible for anything that happened during communist times

Let me stop you in a mid-air, while you are still peddling your stubby legs like E. Coyote just before falling down into an abyss.

You have used the straw man logical fallacy as nobody claimed that Poles because of faith or/and ethnicity are not responsible for anything that happened during communists time. Fail.

"What does ethnicity and/or faith have to do with someone's political affiliation?"

It is a very good question. Would you care to answer it?

simply citizens who identify with their country. After two or three generations, ethnicity becomes less important as people tend to mix and assimilate over time.

knock, knock!! Do you hear this noise, It is me knocking on your door at the base of your ivory tower care to came down and take a look at the real world?

Not every citizen identify with his country, not always nor for everyone ethnicity becomes less important. Well,after two generation or more people convert to Islam and go to fight for Isis. Fail.

Poles of Jewish faith/ethnicity are singled out

Since when pointing out historical facts is forbidden? I'm at lost what you want to say or convey here? Are you even able to make a coherent clear argument based on facts?

Let's leave it at this. We are running in circles.

Correction, you are running in circles.
Vox   
15 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

but it seems it's only you and Vox who can't (or don't want to) see the obvious...

It is a fallacious argument that concludes that an assertion is true because most people believe it. This type of argument is often called bandwagon fallacy. Fail.
Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

I meant that you did misunderstand what I wrote

Paulina, It is quite obvious that the Other is unable or unwilling to make a logical, clear and coherent argument, a one that would comprehensively express his views. I think he has a very good reason to remain vague, unclear and to talk in riddles, for he feels a certain way about Poles and as you know emotions do not listen to reason and cannot be argued with.
Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

The Jewish gene is so deeply entrenched in Poles,

Are you able to back up your claim with any evidence?

The "Why" is important because "the Jews" are made responsible for what happened

You are unable to provide a coherent and logical argument to support your view and the way you feel about some issues. So, instead you resolved to wear dawn everyone who partake in this discussion by repeating yourself numerous times.

As much as I admire your density, sorry tenacity I don't see sense or merit in debating with you. Somebody who is attached so much to his opinion that is unwilling to look beyond his limitations, somebody who is not an open-minded person.
Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / The Riga Peace Treaty [64]

It is ridiculous that any explanation need given as to why it's a bad idea to destroy these monuments.

What is bad in eradicating iconography of the colonial regime?

Poland stabbed its Ukrainian allies in the back and sold their country to the Soviets for 30 pieces of silver (ok, actually 30 million roubles in gold, but the principle is the same).

Incorrect:

Poland was to receive monetary compensation (30 million rubles in gold) for its economic input into the Russian Empire during the times of partitions of Poland.

Vox   
18 Mar 2015
History / The Riga Peace Treaty [64]

Dress it up anyway you want, Vox, Poland did exactly what she'd promised her Ukrainian allies she would not do and accepted 30 million in exchange for doing that.

That obvious attempt at humour failed miserably.
Vox   
19 Mar 2015
History / The Riga Peace Treaty [64]

Barney I detect here a slight difference of opinions.

Public monuments in colonial Nairobi were visual links to the British empire, and served as a means of asserting imperial power. During this period, colonial memories and identities were inscribed into Nairobi's landscape by the dominant group, the elite of the European population. However, at the moment of Kenya's achievement of independence from colonial rule, such identities and assertions of power were challenged as statues were removed from the city

For the Kenyan novelist, playwright and essayist, Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o, power through cultural subjugation was the principal tool of colonialism. The monuments of Nairobi can be read as a history of cultural artefacts used by the coloniser to dominate and subjugate the colonised.[/i]

Vox   
19 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

There's a strong parallel with some of the PF Brownshirts sniping about events between 1948 and 1956 as an attempt to distract from the darker chapters in the 700 years of history that preceded that.

Would you be able to provide evidence that support your claim rather than hitting on about alleged dark deeds that cannot be named? You are a worse gossiper than a woman.

While you are on it would you be able to explain how talking about historical facts is sniping? Are you sniping about dark chapters as an attempt to distract from the facts?
Vox   
19 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

All of those have sadly been seen among the Jewish population of Poland

You still haven't addressed my questions.
Regardless here is another one:
You are very quick to single out or point out the Jewish population in Poland. Wouldn't that make you some kind of a brown shirt racist according to your standards?
Vox   
20 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Now you're trying victim-blaming for 700 years of oppression

Three times lucky. Am I correct in thinking you are implying that the Jews were victims of oppression in Poland?
Are you claiming that Jewish community in Poland had no sense, suffered some kind of a group masochistic syndrome or were plainly stupid?
Would you like to provide evidence to support your claim? If not lay down and relax, a glass of water might help.
Vox   
20 Mar 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

One could argue that there is a noticeable difference in length between "never" and "700 years". Would you be kind enough to tell me which meaning of the word "oppression" you had in mind?

1. the exercise of authority in cruel or unjust manner.
2. the feeling of being heavily burdened by troubles, adverse concisions .....
By the way it didn't escape my attention that you have eluded my question.
Vox   
30 Mar 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

The great problem with crime statistics that people forget is that they are compiled only from crimes that were reported.Ridiculous to say that Polish women in Poland are 13 times safer than Swedish women in Sweden.

Ridiculous is what you are saying or rather implying. Unless you have some evidence to back up your claim.
Vox   
30 Mar 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

it is because they export the crims

Hmm, According to statics Poland has been safer place than most long before criminals were offered an opportunity to buy attractive tours aboard. Again, in a certain country which is well known for its custom of putting the blame for all it problems on foreigners, Poles do not even register on any noticeable scale. Other than that criminal stats of the aforementioned country are by the way very impressive, no lagging behind in that regard keeping up with the best on the globe, yes sir.
Vox   
3 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

That enough for you?

I'm going to check it all out but I have already spotted one logical fallacy and one false assumption.

there:

And of course, last but by no means least, the government commission to investigate of possibilities of deporting Polish Jews to Madagascar, the 'Madagascar plan', which the Nazis took up and then turned into the Lublin und Nisko plan before turning to the Final Solution.

Limits of access to university for Jews.

Vox   
6 Apr 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

I don't see connection between low criminality and immigration. Debating about potential immigration to Poland in the thread about Poland being a successful case of low criminality in Europe is misleading.

I would like to add that talking about potential immigration to Poland is clearly against the rules on PF.

This is the main reason why most of them plan to come back to their motherland one day.

Are you implying that Polish people have some kind of issue with ethnic minorities?
Vox   
7 Apr 2015
News / Poland: A Successful case of low criminality in Europe? [97]

Is he still at large? Low criminality doesn't mean no criminality or no criminals.

Poland will become the same, you won't be able to stop it you joined the EU like idiots and signed your nation away.

As you did?
Vox   
7 Apr 2015
Life / Where can I find English books in Lublin? [13]

The fun part is when some religious people think I've gone way too far, even by their twisted standards, but others jump in to defend me.

Funnily enough you are criticizing someone else standards and calling them twisted. What more twisted than trolling and lying as a way of blowing off steam? Seek professional help.

This is going badly of topic, please respect the OP's thread.
Vox   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

I guess it takes guts to look at history in all its colours.

Seems to me you didn't need much time at all to became patronising and cheeky. If Poles will face something or not it is entirely up to them and they do not need your lecture. Aren't you too big for your shoes?
Vox   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

family was forcibly removed to Germany for having Germany ancestry

I see that asking you to recognize that your rant about history of your mother's family doesn't belong in the thread about Polish Jews is not on. If your modern and forward thinking is making you selfishly cry about forcible resettlement of your family I do not feel need to comment on your self congratulatory fettle. You have no shame, small wonder you are not able to restrain yourself in your need to lecture others on what is and what is not right, prattling away in your patronising and self-centred way.

As for true historical events you can blame Germany and German people for all that befallen your mother,because they started the war that in the end had a less than pleasant consequences for the perpetrators of the numerous crimes against humanity, as it should be.

Would you be able to stick to the topic of the thread and talk about Jews and their allegedly terrible past in Poland instead of whinging about Germans who at the end collectively got what they deserved.
Vox   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

It is a separate language however similar to Polish it may be.

How would know that not being a Pole yourself? You have been told by a Polish native speaker that he can understand Silesian without difficulty. It means Silesian is in fact a dialect of the Polish language. You may feel otherwise but I'm afraid that your feelings do no cut ice with us here after you proved to be a very callus person.

Surely any dialect can be used to promote some political agenda, as it seems to be the case here.
Vox   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

Yes, in this case the claim that Silesian is a dialect of Polish is being (and has been) used to promote the idea that Silesia has always been Polish territory

It a novel to me. I have been sure that Silesian wanted to became a part of Poland by picking up guns and fighting against their German overlords.

A similar line was used with Kashubian after WWII to try to justify Poland occupying Pomerania ('Look: the people there speak a dialect of Polish, which proves the area should never have been part of Germany and should always have been part of Poland!').

Hmm.. occupying Pomerania? Isn't Pomeranian a part of Poland's territory? Don't you mean incorporation. Who was justifying to whom such territorial acquisition? Stalin to Roosevelt or Roosevelt to Stalin? What it has to do with dialects anyways?
Vox   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

Does it?

So, is Dutch in fact a dialect of German, just because Germans can understand it?

Yes it does. There are no universally accepted criteria for distinguishing languages from dialects. However specific language varieties are often called dialects rather than languages. Different circumstances and different geographical areas caused the dialects to develop differently from a shared base language.

Logical fallacy.

You may want to look at the 1920 / 21 referendums held in cities / towns across Silesia. Voting "yes" to remain as part of Germany is far away from from "fighting against German overlords".

I was sure Silesians had been fighting against their Germans overlords in 1920/21 to became Poles.
Vox   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

So you are saying that Dutch is just a German dialect

Do you even know what a logical fallacy is? the fact Dutch is not a dialect has nothing to do with the fact that Silesian is a dialect. Connection you are trying to make between those two facts is in fact a logical fallacy.

They fought their "German overlords" by voting yes (in most cities / towns) to remain part of Germany?

Are not aware of the fact that Silesians organized uprising to join Poland? Consult Wikipedia.
Vox   
10 Apr 2015
Genealogy / Are Silesians people German/Germanic? [178]

Come up with something substantial. You bore me.........

Jolly, I bore you because you are too stupid to understand what I'm telling you and you don't even know what a logical fallacy is. What more you didn't even bother to check it up. In fact Silesian is a dialect and fact that Chinese, Russian, Dutch and French are not dialects has nothing to do with the fact that Silesian is a dialect. It has nothing to do with my logic but everything to do with reality.

The only one making wild claims without any evidence to back it up is you. Your claim is based solely on your feelings and it is you not I who is demanding like a petulant child you are that all should agree with you.

Sure, A "joint Silesian uprising against the Germans

No, Aufstände in Oberschlesien - ever heard? I guess not.

All right boy I'm done with this thread. Post your reply to your mama.