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monia   
4 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

This is a very tragic accident and I hope that all injuries are not life threatening .

BTW I also hope that in 3 years the era of all ducks in Poland will end and we will enter new peaceful existence free of domestic fowl :) .
monia   
4 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

In this particular case the state of the railway system has nothing to do with this accident. This section was completely modernized last year.

Look at the list of recent very fatal disasters in Europe and Asia :

25 April 2005 - 107 dead , 460 ijured , Osaka Japan
22 September 2006 23 dead Germany
30 June 2009 29 dead Italy
15 February 2010 18 dead , 95 injured Belgium
30 January 2011 10 dead Germany
24 July 2011 25 dead , 200 injured (Czeciang) China

Poland is uderway of the extensive rail modernisation since II WW and not every rail track has been modernised yet but the progress is visible , although average person don`t have an idea about its scale . Poland has got one of the largest rail track system in Europe .It will take another several years to be completed .
monia   
4 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

Why lie? The track was being modernised at the time.

This track was fully modernised and the process was completed . The works which were being done at that moment were routine, thats why one track was closed . The other train could enter conditionally while the lights were red and it was up to the railway post crew to manage this train go through safely while moving on the wrong track . The train was on the wrong track and on the red light . So the automatc system could not prevent this accident .

Talking about only human aspect . I find Polish people particulary sensitive and I am proud of our compatriots who rushed to the crash scene to carry on help . Among those folks there was a young men who helped few people to get out from the wreckage trains before the rescue teams arrived . The rescue teams arrived very quickly and the action was held very professionally There was around 450 fire fighters at the scene , 35 emergency crews and two helicopters and also 16 four legged friends .
monia   
5 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

Typical Polish reaction to blame everything else except themselves

You don`t have to live here . If you had some guts you would achieve something "grandeur in this substandard country" . If "nobody wants to try and change anything because that would involve gettin up off your arses" why don`t you take adventage of such easy conditions that Poland gives you , go for it .

10 May 2002
Main article: Potters Bar rail accidents
East Coast Main Line, Potters Bar, 10 May 2002; 7 killed, 76 injured: undetected points fault; derailed carriage rolled, coming to rest on platforms.

My question to you , who was responsible for the deaths of those 7 victims and 76 injured ?

Why are you pinpointing at Poles , while the same accidents happen in UK too? Why do you use w phrase " typical Polish reaction " I could say " typical British reaction to blame everything else except themselves .

Today the two train dispatchers were detained by the prosecution .So wait for the final conclusions before you come with the verdict.
monia   
5 Mar 2012
News / About fifty injured after two trains collide in Poland [73]

I'd leave in a shot except I'm tied down with a missus and a kid.

Just leave together Many Poles left Poland for greener pastures , why can`t you ?

Makes me sick.

Why don`t you focus on something constructive instead on whining . Such attitude will not help anyone. Why didn`t you go there ( you say you live in Śląsk )as a volunteer to those victims to give them hope coming out from a foreigner who is on a survival in Poland .
monia   
23 Mar 2012
Travel / Warsaw, Wroclaw, Poznan, Gdansk and Krakow - Five Polish Cities in Google Street View [17]

Merged: Polish cities in street view google

With Google Maps with Street View feature, you can virtually travel around the world, watching your favorite places on the panoramic images. Images Street View shows already selected locations in Poland, you can find them easily on the map.

maps.google.pl/intl/pl/help/maps/streetview/index.html

maps.google.pl/intl/pl/help/maps/streetview/gallery.html#poland-special-collection

You can discover Polish cities in a new fun way, by almost virtually walking the streets of major Polish cities and other interesting places in the countryside.
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

You should search more to find out how it was done with these names . Read more about germanization which took place on Polish soil under the Bismarck Germany.

Germans are not capable to Germanize us . They were trying to do it in the last 1000 years and failed , so don`t overestimate your power.
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Germanizing about 50 Slavic tribes and millions of ethnic Poles and Czechs over the centuries.

Where did you come up with these revelations from ? It was failed process so you could name it attempting only in certain period of time . Germans tried to counquer our land and deprived us of our language in Prussian annexation . But Germans have never germanized millions of Poles , thats a lie .

The germanization involved only kidnapped Polish children .

Kidnapping of Eastern European children by Nazi Germany (Polish: Rabunek dzieci), part of the Generalplan Ost (GPO), involved taking children from Eastern Europe and moving them to Nazi Germany for the purpose of Germanization, or conversion into Germans.

Occupied Poland had the largest proportion of children taken, but children were abducted throughout Eastern Europe, several hundreds of thousands in tota

The aim of the project was to acquire and "Germanize" children with purportedly Aryan traits who were considered by Nazi officials to be descendants of German settlers who had emigrated to Poland.

/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Eastern_European_children_by_Nazi_Germany
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

germans-a-short-history-of-the-mazurians/

szczecinian.eu/index.php/about-us/

Do you think that such scribbles can give you any informative knowledge ? I guess not .

Warmian and Mazurian regions were theritories where heavy German settlements took place , so over the years there were more German than Polish inhabitants in that regions . Mazurians are not Polish germanized but they are a bit of Piatek and a bit of Freitag :) I would say .
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Sounds familiar, eh?

In that wiki source you quoted tell me where it says anything about ethnic cleansing over Germans done by Poles .

Moreover your cource says something different than you are trying to persuade - " When enforced as part of a political settlement, as happened with the forced resettlement of ethnic Germans to the new Germany after 1945, it can contribute to long-term stability " . As you can see this action was viewed positively.

Quite contrary to what you claim , the authors of that wiki source as an example of ethnic cleansing gave a mass expulsion of Poles in 1939 as part of the German ethnic cleansing of western Poland annexed to the Reich.
monia   
3 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Anything else doesn't make sense.

There will never be any reconciliation if people like you still exist spreading such distorted views about simple facts.

There are some circles in Germany trying to feed poorer social classes of Germans with false ideology of Pollish atrocities against Germans allegedly commited during resettlements as a plan to eradicate German guilt for war crimes among Germans. You seem to become such a victim .
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Who committed ethnic cleansing on Polish soil during or after the war ?

Here is a little example of German genocide committed on Polish children of Zamosc region . There were 150 000 of Polish chidren kidnapped during the war , some 30 000 of them from Zamość region . Many of them later were murdered in death camps.

Displaced by expulsions from the Zamosc region were sent to concentration camps under the Central Emigration Office in Lodz, located in Zamosc, ul. S. Okrzei - resettlement camp in Zamosc, Zwierzyniec, Budzyn, Frampol, Lublin, Tarnogrod, Bilgoraj and Solska. There the selection of racial deportees was done , were people were divided into groups and separated parents from children.

A group of orphaned children resulted by such actions is known today as the Children of Zamosc.

"At that time I've seen visually, as Germans disconnect children from their mothers. This separation of mothers from their children most shocked me. Worst torture , were nothing compared with this view. Germans took children, if any resistance occurred , even a very faint , they beat them with sticks to the blood - mothers and children. Then in the camp I heard the screech and cry . Sometimes the mother asked the Germans for food for the hungry and shivering children. All she could get, was the blow of a rod or a whip. I saw the Germans who were killing small children (...) The hygiene conditions are terrible. lice, dirt, fleas, bed bugs devoured alive people. " - Leonard Szpuga, expelled farmer

Repatriates in transit camps were divided into 4 groups:

people who qualified for the German race,
persons able to go to forced labor,
elderly, the disabled and children,
persons for extermination in concentration camps.

In the camps, particularly children suffered - hunger, cold, disease and were more likely to die than adults . Children separated from their parents were separately transported in cattle cars (one car transported from 100 to 150 children) to the death camps at Majdanek and Auschwitz, and to factories in the Reich. Some of the children were transported to a concentration camp for children in Lodz [6].

The news of the drama of Children of Zamojszczyzna quickly spread across the country. Polish railroad workers conveyed the news of the transports of children to the camps to inhabitants of the cities where the transports had their parking stations. The inhabitants of Sobolev, Żelechów, Siedlce, Garwolin, Pilawa and Warsaw took a risk by trying to save children from the hands of Germans.

Only 800 of them returned to their homes .

From 150 000 of all Polish kidnapped children only a small fraction returned to Poland .
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

You funny guy - the other - it seems to me that if you call me a blonde that means you may not have better argument , do you ? Really , is this thread about German -Polish war crimes? If you were a woman , using your rhetoric someone might call you the dumbest blonde ever who walked on earth . Funny guy - do you think that common crimes can be compared with genocide ? If Poles committed any crime against Germans they were simple common crimes judged or not in regular court trials . In Poland even a child from kindergarten knows the difference . But if you want to compare , go ahead and make a fool of yourself .

It's about three million people or more than two percent of the German population, the second largest Polonia in the world. And this is only the number of Poles.

I know the facts , dear . This is not a proof that those people are Germanized . . Just read more about that process. Forced Germanization is nothing to be proud of , but free choice of movement is guaranteed to every citizen within the EU .

It should be distinguished between Poles who found themselves within the German Confederation as a result of shifting borders, and Poles who immigrated to Germany after national uprisings or for commercial purposes (eg, during martial law, and after the Polish accession to the European Union).

So what`s your point? There are Poles in Germany and there are about 3 million of them .
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Don't get me wrong I don't blame Poland or the Polish people for what happend after the war. In times of anarchy and turmoil the scum of every nation: Rapists, Thieves and Sadists comes to the light. In general Germans were treated relatively fairly by Poles in contrary to the Russians that were much more brutal to German civilians.

The grandmother of my girlfriend was raped by 15 red army soldiers

Don`t try to shift Russian Red Army crimes on Poles and also try to keep things in perspective. If you want to quote some crimes try to give an example of Polish soldiers crimes rather than Red Army soldiers, because we are not responsible for Red Army`s soldiers crimes. Try to find some examples of crimes done by Poles and then we will jbe able to udge the magnitude of them from the right perspective.

If I was a German I would go to Poland and visit all death camps monuments, put there some flowers and prayed for forgiveness as Willy Brandt did. Also German children shoud take an example from Jewish to make such trips compulsory for young students.

Some history :

The planned expulsion of the Germans were made on the basis of the Potsdam Agreement of 1945, further specific basis for the expulsions of Germans were the agreements concluded between the Government of the Polish and Soviet military administration in Germany from 05/05/1946 was (another was signed in 1947, 1948, 1949, and with the GDR in 1950) and the Polish-British from 02/14/1946 On the basis of these agreements the Germans were expelled from Polish to British (2/3 displaced) and Soviet (1/3 displaced) occupied zone. As a result of actions taken immediately after the war against the German population in Poland has left the territory of our country in the years 1945-1950 approximately 3.2 million Germans, which caused a decrease in the number of Polish territory to 1,8-1,6 million people. 2

Wild expulsion

The first movement of German civilians in the west began even before the shift to the front line of the Odra and Nysa (fall 1944). After the war, and before the signing of the Potsdam Agreement, so-called. wild expulsions took place. They left the worst memories of German refugees, projecting the whole problem expulsions from the east. German orders to leave the eastern territories of the Reich were issued far too late (January 1945), and willful desertion meant escape. The German population until the last moment misled by wartime Nazi propaganda and Hitler's dreams of victory was not quite prepared to evacuate. This made a huge panic in front of the approaching Soviet army resulted in the death of German civilians. This took place mainly in East Prussia, war stories and reports came mainly from the German press, which further resulted in East Prussia surprise "the life of war" and the subsequent actions of Soviet soldiers.

The Red Army entering to the first German lands has resulted in the massacre of the civilian population, which for various reasons, did not evacuate with the German army. There were reports of Russian soldiers looting, murdering, raping of women. Particularly popular is the story of the frontier of East Prussia Nemmersdorf village, whose inhabitants were mostly killed in a brutal manner and all the women before their death raped.

Such inhuman behavior of Soviet troops from the socio-psychological point of view is explained by general wildness caused by the war, and especially all retaliation for crimes carried out by Wehrmacht soldiers. The undisputed fact is that it happened in the areas of East Prussia where Soviet soldiers could unload the hatred of the enemy and humiliation of the war..
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

To give a proper perspective about expulsions , you should remember that :

The Nazi plan to ethnically cleanse the territories occupied by Germany in Eastern Europe during World War II, was called the Generalplan Ost (GPO). Germanisation began with the classification of people suitable as defined on the Nazi Volksliste. About 1.7 million Poles were deemed Germanizable, including between one and two hundred thousand children who were taken from their parents.

For the rest, expulsion was carried out.

/wiki/Nazi-Soviet_population_transfers

Poland`s population decreased from 35 million to about 23 million .
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

None of these is you."

Agian you go personal .

Contrary to you I have no problems with my ego identification. Thanks to my possessions, the work I do, my social status and recognition, knowledge and education, physical appearance, personal charisma , dominant personality , my special abilities, relationships, my family history, system of my political beliefs and my popularity among friends , my aspirations my enterprising spirit, my pursuit of excellence, achievement and success

- my ego identification is very high which means that I am self-assured, self-confident, sociable and companionable, proud, compassionate, understanding and generous by nature. Being quite bold and courageous, I will speak my mind and express myself in a direct and no-nonsense manner in confrontational situations. Thanks to that others , my opponents , know where they stand with me, as I am always prepared to 'lay my cards on the table'.

So , knowing my nature, I will give you some advice, do not provoke me, because you are doomed for failure right from the start . You, with your acrimonious remarks about me , detached from the subject , convince me only that you have an inferiority complex in relation to me.
monia   
4 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Your persona was unequivocally excluded from my address as I knew his words would be completely lost on you.

Oh , is that so , my comprehension of English allows me to understand clearly the context of your waffles .

If my person bothers someone , you do not have to answer my posts .If you keep doing so I can only presume that you have some hidden agenda.

We all know that the war is over , but on the other hand it is difficult to accept so many biased opinions presented here by some posters . Contrary to some posters I try to quote facts not some unsupported opinions.
monia   
5 Apr 2012
News / History lessons no more in Poland (Tusk's change) [60]

At the age of 17-19 years, the young minds begin to open up to more serious issues of political nature: civic responsibility, national loyalty and betrayal, and it is time when you start talking to them about difficult issues, at this age they will be able to better understand the complexity of history – but they will not have history lessons at this age any more.

For most young Poles picture of the history will have to be stopped at an infantile level.

Future engineers, doctors, scientists, even lawyers will have a knowledge of history at the level of a child.
These days to enter to the faculty of law it is not required to pass history even on the basic level , the future holder of the Master Degree in Law will be half illiterate .

Before the reforms in the high school in the basic version there were 240 hours of history throughout 4 year cycle. Currently it is 60 hours.

They seem trivial to me, in this context, disputes over The Museum - European House, which is to be built in Brussels. A couple, maybe a few dozen spectators from across Europe, will have the opportunity to see the Battle of Grunwald, or about the partitions. Will you see there any other Polish names outside of Lech Walesa and a woman in the seventeenth century, burned at the stake (the symbol of Polish intolerance)????

European history is full of such cases, but why was it chosen as a Polish example? Only some technocrats from EU might know, probably trying to hide these dark ages reality and shed it on other less affluent countries .Thanks to this trick in years to come, young students will find out that only Poland burned people on the stakes. Ufff…….that`s beyond my comprehension.

Without a new generation of educated Poles, this empty space which will remain after washing out the history from high schools will be filled in by simplistic thinking. There will be a very fertile field, for speculations such as theories of conspiracy. The mind left without historical background will go through a disturbing trail of suspicions.

Were there any historians among these reformers - a President of the Polish Historical Society, and maybe the chairman of the Committee of Historical Sciences, or Dean of the Faculty of History at the Jagiellonian University? Professors - Chwalba, Paczkowski, Samsonowicz, Tazbir, No ………….it does not matter.

It is important that it was “a 100 people “commission!!!!! This figure validates their competence. So this was important. And it is financed, with very specifically indicated sources: the European Social Fund.

Polish Ministry of Education already is too poor to finance work on the same subject.

But the “future assistance” will be received and the work has been completed.

The “ future assistance “ to erase national unity , identity , civic responsibility and national loyalty, aiming the straight way to create gray masses without their own views , easy to control .
monia   
5 Apr 2012
News / History lessons no more in Poland (Tusk's change) [60]

Why don`t you mention guys who support the reform? They are equally notable historians and experts.

Not in my opinion .

Come to any high school in Poland and try to talk to students like that. I assure you, they will consider you an alien who dropped from another galaxy. :):):):)

I have no doubts that there are enlightened minds around us , knowledge- hungry young people , but I am talking about future elite . There won`t be any , I guess. I perfectly realize the fact, without visiting your school , how poor historical background Polish students have in general. It referes not only to history but general knowledge .

The Polish school continues to be a place where memorizing of prepared knowledge and its enforcement takes place , which scope is determined by authorities and teachers. The school will not be a place where the students' own knowledge of the surrounding reality is created .

The scope of the modernization of the system is done only by another shortening of the period of general education.

The great flaw of the educational reform lies in releasing a large number of graduates with relatively low key competencies in general knowledge .

Will early specialization change this situation? I doubt it.

Besides, I wonder whether the Ministry has got any scientific evidence proving that at the age of sixteen the student knows who he wants to be in the future and therefore he can start the stage of specialized training, in preparation for certain higher education.

What will happen to a high school student who will choose the first class on literature, and before graduation will change his/her mind and want to study at the polytechnic?

Is the age of 16 enough to determine the life`s future ?
monia   
5 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

I found another example for a Germanized Pole, a rather interesting one.

Aren't you exaggerating a bit with that ? Where does it say he was Polish ?
monia   
6 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Or more precisely a German with Polish parents.

Give me the source that he had Polish parents . Polish sounding name doesn`t mean immediately someone`s Polishness . We have in Poland people with German names who don`t identify themselves with German.nationality .

To my knowledge his father`s parents came from Poland in XiX century and settled in Ruhr region .So by blood he was half Polish . If you read about German hatred and indoctrination of kids in schools against Polish ( at least at those times ) it is no wonder he, as half Polish, became full Nazi .

In today`s Germany in mixed Pol- Germ marriages , after the divorce of parents, Polish language to communicate with own children is forbidden . You are saying -hard to understand . I am saying quite opposite .
monia   
6 Apr 2012
History / The story about German- Polish reconciliation [194]

Couple more Polish named generals for moania to get knickers twisted about

Do you think I will pay any attention to Nazi generals who`s roots are 10 -th generation Polish .You can find villains in any nationality Some of those German generals who served in a the Polish army prove the fact that Poland appealed to them .

Doesn't the Wikipedia article acknowledge that?

No , it doesn`t , his was born in Germany as a third generation of Polish emigrants ,but only on father`s side, his mother was German , so he was only half Polish .
monia   
7 Apr 2012
Travel / Polish Road Tax ViaToll , a legal rip off before Euro 2012 ? [26]

we are not in Kenya for God 's sake normally the school bus should not have been able to circulate on the roads then.

If you plan a trip to another country with your own mean of transportation, ,do you think it is wise not to check the country`s regulations about basic rules or road tax . For God`s sake every counry in EU has got its own special rules , we are not in Kenya .
monia   
2 May 2012
History / Are you proud of Polish colours? [27]

I am very proud :)

I always hang a Polish flag in front of my house on the 3-rd of May not before , also on the 11-th of November and on the 1-st of August on the national day of remembrance of the Warsaw Uprising .
monia   
4 May 2012
History / Are you proud of Polish colours? [27]

Originally a Polish national flag was in crimson color, which is the symbol of grandeur and wealth, and also considered the noblest of colors. Due to the price of the dye - cochineal extracted from larvae the Polish few could afford it, so it was used only by the richest nobles and dignitaries.

The first flags and banners representing the Polish Kingdom could see a white eagle with a crown on a red background. Jan Dlugosz describing the preparations for the Battle of Grunwald writes of "the great banner on which was elaborately embroidered white eagle with wings and with a crown on his head, as the emblem and the emblem of the whole of the Polish Kingdom" .

White and red were considered to be national colours for the first time in May 3, 1792.

Maybe some of you find it interesting to read , some facts about Polish flag waving atop the Reichstag .

economist/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/05/polish-flag
monia   
29 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

Sol Campbell warns fans to stay away from Euro 2012

This man is repeating old stereotypes about Poland , having no idea about Poland an its people . This subculture of football fans is ruled by their own code which does not allow to harm outside people in any way . They have fights only among themselves . Those animosities between clubs date even times of prewar Poland .

many specialists
About Polish team - contrary to some posters Polish team has got world class players like : the best right wing defender in the world (in opinion of specialists - Lukasz Piszczek , the most promissing young goalkeeper- Wojciech Szczęsny and of course the best player of Bundesliga in 2012 - the Polish striker Robert Lewandowski ( I am a very big fan of him , he is not only a modest person , but he is very intelligent , he has learned German language in 2 years ) . Maybe it is not enough to win this tournament and even if they will not go further I will watch their games without any sense of defeat, because they represent quite different style than our football team did in the recent past .
monia   
29 May 2012
News / Don't go to Poland ... because you could end up coming back in a coffin [313]

Because Poland has a reputation for being a racist, nazi country, so its believable.

Primitive old zionistic ways to discredit our country . A reputation spread by Jews who own British tabloids and you are too ignorant to notice that . An intelligent person does not pay attention to tthat provocations .
monia   
30 May 2012
News / Anty-Polish v column is located in White House [88]

It is no surprise for me that this eventually has happened . Obama did not react on the prepared text he was reading by changing unfortunate words . But the most shocking is the fact that the staff could write such text for him . It was not the first case of insulting Polish nation :

Ignorance, incompetence, and malice: First, Obama offends Catholics. Now he insults the Polish people.

douglawrence.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/ignorance-incompetence-and-malice-first-obama-offends-catholics-now-he-insults-the-polish-people

One would have thought that President Obama might have used the time he would have spent in Poland paying his respects to the Polish fallen. For example he could have visited the recently erected Victims of Communism memorial in Washington, or at the very least have signed the condolence book at the Polish Embassy. But what did he choose to do instead? Play yet another round of golf.

blog.heritage.org/2010/04/19/barack-obama-insults-poland-%E2%80%93-again/

This reflects that Obama is an enemy of Polsh nation . I remember during his visit in Poland how he showed his attitude by not greeting Polish veterans in a respective manner instead he was attending a meeting with Polish Jews by the monument of Warsaw Ghetto which was lasting for unreasonable duration of time ,during which he shaking hands like a clown with everybody who was standing in a line to greet him or by ignoring Polish president who was standing in front of the Presidential Palace while Obama passed the gates and drove to the hotel leaving all people with consternation ( he did that against the protocol which was prepared for that time of his visit ) .

We Poles expect from USA government to start a long lasting process of reairing its image of a country where history is distorted and Poles are offended by its President , the Jewish owned press ,television or Hollywood Jewish producers etc where big productions spread a false image of Poles .