History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


Where? I told you don't read carefully. It doesn't mean you are stupid, does it? In fact you look from your posts quite the opposite. Happy? ;-)


And I've read that we the people all have the same Forefather and Foremother: Adaś and Ewka.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


Why do they say nonsenses like that. Everybody knows, even child, that negation needs Genitive instead of Accusative. It's so natural!

Life / What is it with the Polish love of antibiotics? And Why do Poles get ill more? [40]


What the hell you mean Progressive Muscular Atrophy or Premarket Approval?

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Spoils at German expense I wouldn't.
But I would deny spoils at the expense of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia.
If I my co-patriots had some tanks and artilleries they would deny more effectively.
Britons and Americans had all these weaponry and a nuke - and granted these 'spoils' for free. And it cost them much in effect during the cold war period. But it cost EE hundred times more.

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


It's quite simple. Our Past tense is originally a Past compound one formed of past participle and infinitive to be.

In Old Polish:
woman had to say: Ja poszъdła jeśmъ > Ja poszdła jeśm > Ja poszła jeśm > Ja poszłam

man: Ja poszъdłъ jeśmъ > Ja poszedł jeśm > Ja poszedłem
E in poszedła perished because it was in weak position (according to rule of the vocalization of even yers).
Next jeśm was just simplified and agglutinated to past participle. This rule works with other verbs also.

By the way there were also aoryst and imperfect but they died out in XIV centure. For Chist sake and good for foreigners. For example poszedłem was in aoryst: pojdziech

Life / You are Polish if... [433]


Sorry, Seanus. You're right have a fun ;-)

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


No. He's only showing how the Western powers don't care about how some facts in history look from Polish and EE perspective. However it's not a whining. It's a fact. Not even so sad, rather making discussion more difficult.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I know Ukrainian, Seanus. My family is from Eastern Galicia and fled out from there because their life was in danger. So honestly speaking it's difficult to be patient. But I try. I suppose I'm reasonably enough to divide emotions from facts. I know history of the Borderland quite a little, maybe starting from Polish point of view, but I'm able to switch and evaluate it from Ukrainian side.

I can feel Ukrainian point of view about discrimination of Ukrainians in prewar Poland. Statistics (Polish) support many of their claims.

All my calm weakens when I heard that Klaczkiwśkij is a real hero for Ukrainian youth, while he was responsible for the UPA actions in Volhnynia.

All my calm weakens even more, when I see a writing sprayed on 12.05.2009 on the memorial plate to memorize Polish professors of Lwów Technical University killed by Germans. The writing is "Smert' Laham" ie. "Death to Poles". It was exactly the same war cry used by UPA formations during the ethnic cleansing in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.

You can see on the lower part of the plate: Tadeusz Boy-Żeleński - the greatest Polish translator of French literature, and on the very bottom Kazimierz Bartel - 5 times Prime Minister of Polish Republic.

I'd prefer a discussion but it needs two parts.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


No, they weren't worse than Nazi. They were just inspired. All started with Nazis and Soviets. Demoralization they spread was total. And many of these awful acts were stimulated and some also supervised by these totalitarian regimes.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


To make all Poles fled, of course. To have new 'clean' Ukraine, maybe a little devastated, but clean from 'alien' elements: Poles, Jews, Czechs, Armenian. It was inspired by Nazi ideology. It's indeed aggravating German guilt, but in no case mitigating responsibility of Ukrainian individuals steering nationalist organizations.

Germans wanted to exploit Polish-Ukrainian conflict to eliminate risk of effective resistance from local population by making all cooperation between Polish & Ukrainian underground organizations impossible.

If only Germans wanted to stop the massacre they could do something in this direction. But Ukrainians went to far in ethnic cleansing what jeopardized the balance. Germans tried some efforts to limit Ukrainian actions but it was too late - they started to lose the war and haven't enough soldiers.

And the ethnic cleansing in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia unfortunately succeeded.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]


It could be £aniewski [waa-nyef-skee]. There is 370 men and 429 women with this last name in Poland now: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/łaniewski.html.

The name could be a toponymic one from village name £aniewo, £anowo, £ania.
The village name could be from either łan or łania:
£an - measure of area used in agriculture until XIX century, equaled 18-24 ha
£ania - a hind

Polonia / Polonia in Brazil? [14]

Hi, Zgrabne_Kopyto, sexy nick. If nobody of your target finds your post. Try, please, with:

dar-polska.org/polonia.htm
polonesesnobrasil.com.br

...and maybe invite them here.

Good luck

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

There are 147 men and 165 women having last name Pudelski/Pudelska.
Here you have distribution where they are today:
It's difficult to decide from where they were.

History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [177]

Thank you, Crow. There was some period when it was true, indeed, in XVI-XVII century.

However I'm sorry to say that there are more Croats (38 men) than Serbs (1) in Poland now. I hope it's not anybody's fault.

However you can call Poland as a cradle of Slavs, because we have also:

164 Slovakians
14465 Czechs
37 Bosnians,
8467 Ruthenians[ and 4 Ukrainians
15 Belorussians,
6210 Russians,
4 Lusitanians (Sorabians),

But of course they all are outperformed by:

21534 Poles,
8407 Kashubians,
1796 Silesians,
25 Greater-Poles,

But Masovians rule with 66866 competitors.

History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [177]


Sorry, you're wrong this time. Here you have[/url]:
Bezpośrednie pochodzenie nazwy należy wiązać z Mazowszem, jako, że w dawnej polszczyźnie Mazur to mieszkaniec Mazowsza, czyli dzisiaj powiedzielibyśmy - Mazowszanin (nazewnictwo to było jeszcze w końcu XIXw., czego liczne ślady znajdujemy w powieści Chłopi Reymonta).

Mazurs of course gave former Prussia the name of Mazury due to massive colonization waves from XIV, XV and XVII centuries.
Mazurówka was (and in some places still unchanged) one of the most popular placename in Ukraine. First massive colonization in XVI-XVII centuries were made by peasants. poor noblemen and forest workers from Masovia.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazury#Etymologia_nazwy

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Far reaching parallel. I think there is some difference between free people movements or even colonization which lasts few hundred years and 50 years old accident at work.

However in 50 years the difference will weaken.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Yes, because Polish villagers had no forces, only lives. And how many Germans and Soviets UPA eliminated comparing to the number of defenseless Polish peasants killed. I'm sure that the latter number was greater.


Yes, you did. Very effectively. You have your western regions almost totally wiped out of Poles. But we are talking about the methods. It cost your nation very much but you have your frontiers wider - almost 100% of your prewar nationalist plans. But it cost Poles living there few times more.


I think you should also try to look at your Cossack hero Chmelnickij (artful and outstanding but ruthless political player in his historical context) from the other perspective. His rebellion killed probably more Ruthenians than Polish forces did in response.

But - in any case - Poles are trying to choose your heros. There were many valuable figures which probably could qualify. Some even of Polish descent like Antonowycz, Hruszewśkij or even £ypynśkij and Szeptyckij. But it is, of course you choice. Poles know it, so don't try to say they don't. Poles are just angry when you build monuments for and make hero of guys who should be first denazified before putting them in school books.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

Thanks a lot, Nathan. It's your homework.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


Daniel Passent was a prominent communist journalist. He continues to be red and describes all from left wing perspective. His opinions aren't representative.

However he's your homey - as a Jewish survivor from Stanisławów - now Ukrainian Ivano-Frankiwsk.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I haven't written his comment was communist. I've written he WAS a prominent communist journalist. So, in fact, I have no willingness to read him today. I can recall some of his deceitful comments from 80s. I have enough of him. I don't read him - the biggest revenge I want (and can) execute upon him.

If you actually predicted your reaction, so what is your post for? To expose my mental weakness? ;-)

My remark about Passent's cradle in Stanisławów was just a digression - in case you didn't know. Maybe you can consider, if he has some motives or sensitivities in his journalism common with Ukrainian journalists or opinion makers.

History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


I'd prefer Segestes. If only Varus had believed him, Germania would be a Roman province ending on Albis or even Viadrus and it would be Slavonic people who crushed the Empire.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]


Polonius generally is right but in this case I think that it's just a maiden family name of the wife. It was common practice to put maiden name when the family name is known from context.

So you could find in documents for example: Jan Schoenbaum i Tekla z Trzasków what means exactly: Jan Schoenbaum and Tekla Schoenbaum from family Trzaska.

Preposition "z" is shortened from "z domu" sometimes in latin "de domo" meaning "from house of".

There were many family names of German origin in Poland. Some of them were used by great Polish patriots and researchers like: Aleksander Brueckner (greatest Polish etymologist), Bogusław Linde (author of the first modern dictionary of Polish language), Krzysztof Szembek (primate of Poland), Emilia Plater (Polish woman-commander of the November Uprising in Lithuania).


Maybe I, since Polonius not responded earlier ;-)

KOBELKE looks like germanized Polish KOBY£KA meaning small mare or in plural KOBY£KI also grasshopper or locust.

KAUSCHKE looks also like germanized Polish or wider Slavonic diminutive. But it's not as obvious as the former. Diphthong AU could be equivalent of Slavonic U, so the original word could have sounded like KUSZKA or KUŚKA.

KUSZKA according to
books.google.pl/books?id=4XzRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1195&dq=kuszka+inauthor:linde&ei=HoWVS4SBOo3gyATokLDWBQ&cd=1#v=onepage&q=kuszka%20inauthor%3Alinde&f=false

Samuel Bogumił Linde (1808)
could mean:
1. a small box to hold sharpening stone (whetstone) to sharpen a blade (chine) of a scythe, it used to be bound to a mower's belt (description in German: ein hohler Zapfen mit Wasser, worin die Maeher den Senfenstein am Guertel haengen haben)

2. a small crossbow.
KUŚKA used to mean: 3. a penis ;-)
So, having in mind that your ancestors were most probably of peasant origin the most plausible etymology is whetstone holder not a knightly crossbow and not an obscene moniker as well.

The environment of Boleslauez later Bunzlau was gradually germanized from XIII to XVI century. But your ancestors could came from another part of Silesia.

Your line about religious persecution in 1840, which made your ancestors fled, interested me much. What was it all about? What was their denomination?

History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


Don't be so angry. It was all Arminius's fault. It was him who kidnapped Segestes's daughter, Thusnelda and married her by force. Segestes had no options left. I don't like very deeply his style, but I can feel his emotions.

And Arminius... His emotions drove him to betray Romans, his friends, and to fight Segestes, which had better relations with them. Fighting Romans he was - in fact - striking his father-in-law.

One more melodrama with a woman in centre, which later was lifted up to the level of nation-liberating struggle.


I understand you irony. OK. Slavonic tribes not alone but under very instructive leadership of Huns and Avars. ;-)

Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]


Interesting observation. However may I ask if you did eliminate class differences. I risk hypothesis that most of your Polish test sample was from proletariat while NYers and CAns from your sample were from mixed class with middle class prevalence.

My hypothesis is Poles are less cursing people than American when comparing adequate social classes but I have no idea how to prove it ;-)

History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


Investment proposal?
Maybe...

History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [177]


Zonk! Unfortunately, you missed the point. Ancient Greek knew the phonem B [bee]. It's only middle and modern Greek which changed pronunciation of the beta letter from beta to vita. The change must had been made after the Roman civilization emerged and before the Christianization of Russia ended, because you have ALPHABET in English and алфавит [awfaa-veet] in Russian.

Genealogy / Rebizanty village - looking for info [5]

It looks like your village is very famous.

You can find something there: roztocze.net/7dni.php/11337

It was the place where Marshall Józef Piłsudski crossed the border between Russian occupation zone and Austrian one, when he was escaping from Russian captivity in 1901. And his guide was who? Mikołaj Rebizant.

PL: Na drugim brzegu Tanwi, na terenie prywatnej posesji, znajduje się głaz upamiętniający przekroczenie w tym miejscu w 1901 r. granicy zaborów przez J. Piłsudskiego. Można go obejrzeć po uzyskaniu zgody właściciela posesji - dojście od płd. strony rzeki. Przekroczenie granicy przez Piłsudskiego nastąpiło po jego ucieczce ze szpitala więziennego w Petersburgu. Pomocą służył włościanin Mikołaj Rebizant. Na tablicy przymocowanej do pomnika widnieje napis: "Tu w r. 1901 J. Piłsudski przekroczył granicę rosyjsko-austriacką stwierdzając, że niczem jest wraży kordon wobec potęgi ducha narodu polskiego". Głaz został ufundowany przez Państwowe Gimnazjum Męskie w Zamościu w 1936 r.

Genealogy / Searching for grandfathers relatives-Wilcensky or Wilczewsky [6]

Unfortunately, it could be difficult to find something more unless you find in immigration or census records you grandfather's place of birth. Have you tried with ancestry.com? They may misspelled it totally, so you probably should search with less strictly name pattern (mask).

In case it was Wilczeński, you have very few persons with such family name in Poland today: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/wilczeński.html

However with Wilczewski you can find quite a lot: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/wilczewski.html

But both names while are distant enough to be from quite another family - or these differences are production of an immigration officer. In this case information which form is closer to the original would be of great value.

Their names could be spelled in Poland as: Wilczeński, Wilczyński and Wilczewski

Genealogy / Seeking information about the last name Lebida or Janus. [8]


You can start with ancestry.com and maybe some census databases. First you must ascertain when they entered USA.
There are 328 persons with Lebida family name in Poland today: [moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/lebida.html. It looks like their origins are from Lesser Poland - environs of Mielec, Busko and Sandomierz.

And Janus? Janus is very common in Poland: over 11 thousand bearers now:

Genealogy / Seeking information about the last name Lebida or Janus. [8]

JANUS is also a latinized form of Jan (John). Latinization of every name was very common in whole Europe, especially in Germany, but in Poland also.