Love / Should I bring gifts? - help with a Polish wedding [46]


I think I'm their friend or family and that we are close enough not to play stupid games. Of course as you said I should know them and I do so there are not too many options but still pretending there is no such issue is silly. To be fair usually ppl don't ask the couple but indirectly ask the parents or siblings of the bride or groom. Still the question is there.

Love / Should I bring gifts? - help with a Polish wedding [46]


What BS! If I ask what the couple would rather get I expect an answer because I don't want to waste money on something they don't need or want. We are not in kindergarten after all.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]


So deseases, genetic desorders and rape are the results of poor choices? Good to know.

Did you read what I wrote? What abortion clinics? We are talking about situation when the doctors say after tests: there is a problem we have to talk about (the pregnancy is dangerous to you, your baby doesn't have chances to survive...here are the options ) and letting her decide. And yes, she will have to face the consequences so she should also be the one to make the decision.

Thankfully she doesn't have to 'wriggle her way out' of anything...yet.


Maybe I did take it wrong but to me it seems that you wanted to say that giving a women the right to terminate the pregnancy even if it endangers her life is in no way beneficial to her no matter what she thinks about it.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

Who are you to say what is benefitial to women? Why aren't we allowed to decide for ourselfs what is good for us? Why this constant 'saving women from the trauma' bs from the pro life side? Let them worry about themself and leave me alone.

It's one thing to say about saving the life from conception and quite another to sell the bs about helping women while in fact taking the right to decide away from them. Especially when you want to eradicate abortion even when the women life is in danger... oh yeah, real do gooders for women.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2971]

That's bollocks. There were always ways for women to abort even including herbs. No one 'introduced' it because it was always there. The difference was that the methods were not as reliable and more dangerous.

You are free to have your opinion but talking about abortion as something that appeared only in recent times is simply wrong.

Love / Polish girlfriend may be pregnant - what girls from Poland think on having a child without marriage? [54]

I dislike cheaters as well but:
- I think ppl usually know/suspect when they are cheated on
- I think what you're doing is 'wylewac dziecko z kapiela'. There is no reason to make all ppl take tests when they have no reasons to or maybe even don't want to know (did you think about that possibility?)

- if someone shares such views and don't trust their partners they should have the guts to say that's the case so the other person knows where they stand (and like me think about the point of staying together)


You are saying that as if it changed anything. It goes both ways-if I weren't able to trust my partner without tests I wouldn't see the point in staying with him

Not to mention that such requirements would give companies/ government access to everyone's DNA. Not something I would like.

Love / Polish girlfriend may be pregnant - what girls from Poland think on having a child without marriage? [54]

I doubt it will ever become a part of registering a birth. You know why? Because most ppl don't see the need and the government won't be spending thousands on a test that will usually confirm what the parents are saying.

Let me ask you something: do you also make your partner take regular tests for veneric deseases? After all if you can't trust her maybe she's cheating and that way infect you with something...(of course it's not a real question and I don't want to make it about you but more to understand your stance that seems absolutely weird to me)

Love / Polish girlfriend may be pregnant - what girls from Poland think on having a child without marriage? [54]


To be fair I would rather not know. I read about such cases and the knowledge usually brings only misery.


No, it's not but that's not what I'm about. To me such request would mean lack of trust and absolute ignorance of my character. Sorry but I don't see why such thing should be customary for normal relationships. My point is that if you can't trust your partner or they can't trust you there is no point in staying together. That's why I would really think about staying together if I was asked about DNA tests.

Love / Polish girlfriend may be pregnant - what girls from Poland think on having a child without marriage? [54]


He should know by knowing what kind of women his partner is. And they usually do deep down. I love it when a man chooses sexy, crazy and a bit slu**y girl and then is suprised she's not a home maker and quiet, faithful companion (women do the same by choosing the dangerous bad man and hoping they can change them)

Plus I think you become truly a parent by being there for the kid more than by genetics so even if the kid is not genetically connected the father is the guy that takes care of them.


If there is a custody case or child support case than the relationship is already dead, isn't it? But in a normal relationship creating a family such thing is just silly.

Love / Polish girlfriend may be pregnant - what girls from Poland think on having a child without marriage? [54]


Sorry but if a women knows the child is fathered by her partner/husband as she never had sex with anyone else during the relationship why is it a ''moral' thing to volunteer a DNA test? I would agree with that statement if the women didn't know who's the father but not in a faithful relationship.

If my long term partner asked for DNA test I would do them without a word of complaint but I would seriously consider if I should stay in that relationship.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [231]


What you actually said was:


And:


And you have a living proof in me nad Paulina that we do know them and also sang them. If anything else that comment shows your ignorance of Poland as Hej Sokoly is basically a must on Polish big parties. But you say you never heard them being performed.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [231]


And yet in your post you attacked Polish culture:



And yet earlier you posted that Poles don't know any such songs (even one verse was your opinion I believe) and don't sing it at all. Now you change your tune to 'not as alive'


And Irish is not?
Plus you focus on one or two things and if they don't exist in their 'true form' you deem them dead. Culture is also food (were in Poland traditional foods are still eaten on regular basis even abroad) in patterns (plenty of folk patterns still appear in modern designs) and so on. Your claim that because we don't have (or remember) as many songs as Irish our culture is dying is silly. Folk culture is not the only culture. We have centuries of music, literature, legends and language to talk about, both from folk culture as well as the one created in towns so focusing on folk songs is, again, silly.

And we still create our culture. Culture is not some dead object that you have or not. It's alive and evolving (including also foreign influences) and created again and again by each generation. I would rather say that the culture that doesn't change and is not given new 'food' is a dead one.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [231]


I love it too. My older sister called it a ''song about Marysia' when she was little since she didn't know what rozmaryn was. I also like 'u przasniczki' but they are not as popular as Hey Sokoly.


I usually am pretty patient and can't be bothered but enough is enough. No one who truly respects his culture should disrespect others.

Life / Differences between Irish, British, Polish, American and other nations culture, tradition, music - loose talk [231]

I have nothing against you being proud of your Irish culture but you shouldn't belittle other cultures to feel better about your own. That's a weak person tactic.


So folk song is the only sign of culture? How silly of you... have you ever been to Polish party with drinking singing of Hej Sokoly? Have you ever heard Polish kid saying Kto Ty Jestes poem? Do you know how many ppl know whole passages of Pan Tadeusz or parts of Trylogia?

If you think Polish culture doesn't exist because you didn't meet ppl singing folk songs from memory than you are just one silly goose.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2676]


Moral right? No, I don't think so. It's not a god given right to have a gun. It's a man made product that falls under certain regulations as almost anything else.


And? Your building permit are granted by government workers not elected, you are judged by judges that are not elected... the same goes for driving license, permission to open a shop, sell alcohol so on, so on.

And I definitely wouldn't want someone granting permissions just because he wants to win votes.


So you do have a proof (and not only your assumption) that they wouldn't get the permit! Great! Can you share it with all of us? Or maybe you have an argument how they would suddenly find money for it if only someone else was granting the permits?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2676]


Do I stop pro gun lobby? Not at all. Let them try to promote it all they want. All I'm saying is that at this time such change in legislation would go against the views of majority of Poles.


And they can do in the frames of current law. I'm not stopping them, am I? However I have the right (as the majority of Polish society it seems) to be against any changes in the law.


There is no confirmation that there is an increase or is it in any substantial number. If there was another poll we could judge somehow but for now it's only assumption.


No, it's a right. You might not like how it's granted but that doesn't change the fact that Johnny's friends didn't even apply so there are no grounds to say they wouldn't get it. Simple as that. More relaxed laws would do nothing for them as their issues are money related.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2676]


The only poll I found is form 2009 but the results are pretty clear 83% against softer gun laws:
wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1347,title,Sondaz-Polacy-nie-chca-wiekszego-dostepu-do-broni,wid,11327314,martykul.html

Even with increase of 10% (and I doubt there is such increase) you are talking of over 70% of society against changes giving easier access.
Do you have any proof to the contrary? Beside talking to your friends that is?


But they didn't use the rights they have. It's not like they were stopped from owning a gun, is it?


I seems to me it's you who are trying to say what's good for Polish ppl even thought you are not even a resident in this country.

BTW, I would really appreciate it if you stopped your childish catchphrases and writing in CAPITALS when you respond to me.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2676]


Isn't that called democracy? The majority of Polish society doesn't want a change in gun laws and if individuals want U.S. kind of gun law they can get it- when they move to USA


So they don't really have problems with the gun laws in Poland, they just can't afford it. Nice to make it clear.


Sorry, I misunderstood you. The discussion is mostly about USA kind of gun laws vs. European/Polish ones. I jumped to conclusion.


It all sounds good and I'm all for strong defence forces however I'm suspicious of such groups a bit. Who would be in charge, what kind of selection would they have ( many ppl may be drawn to such forces for all the wrong reasons), what regulations would be in place... many questions that have to be answered.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2676]

Yoh both act like there is complete ban on guns in Poland. It's not the case. Any citizen can apply for gun permit. Getting it is a different matter but the thing is most ppl don't even think of applying. So I wonder where that 500,000 ppl may come from or where you'll find popular support needed for the change in legislation.

Once I see any real data about parliament working on legislation, civil unrest to change the legislation or anything else Johnny's comment is only his perception, not a fact.

Even if there is increase of lets say 50000 ppl in support of guns it's nothing compared to the whole country.
If Polish nation would decide by over 50 % that they want guns then you could say 'Poles want guns and the government is stopping them'. As it is is some individuals wanting guns

One question to you Johnny- did your friends applied for gun permit? And if they did why didn't they get it?

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2676]

I don't doubt your friends would like to own guns as you made it clear before that the ppl you talk to would like more American style gun laws however it doesn't mean:


There is nothing to indicate that Polish ppl swayed in that direction and no initiatives worth mentioning. So whatever your friends say to you is their opinion and you shouldn't draw such far-fetched conclusions. If that's your only base for such statement I could easily match your every friend with my friend that doesn't want the gun legislation to change.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2676]


Any proof of that? Or you just project your wishes?

Genealogy / How many Jews lived in Poland and did they ever convert to catholicism, if so when? [62]

It's true they shouldn't have to convert to enjoy normal citizen rights (different times so no actual 'citizen rights') however simple peasant had it worse- they had no way of making their life better, converting or not. Saying that Jews were treated badly (and often they were) without mentioning that other, Catholic citizens had it similar is misleading.

Travel / World youth day - Częstochowa, Poland [34]

I wonder how many priests will follow the Pope's words about taking money for weddings/funerals e.t.c. When I still attended church that was one of the things that really annoyed me and from conversations with many ppl I know that gridinnes in such situations of some priests really angers them (the head priest in my parish was one of that type). There are of course also priests that sacrifice themselfs in any situation for the good of the parishioners but they are not the norm in my area. I wonder how you'd solve the situation. Fixed rates? Take as much as someone offers (ppl can be tight-fisted even if they have money)? Completely free? The Pope said that it's the priest's responsibility to perform wedding/funeral even if ppl cannot pay a penny...

Travel / World youth day - Częstochowa, Poland [34]

Seriously? Ok, I thought you are just some old bitter twisted man who got into being too righteous for his own good but you are just an a**. And then mods are surprised ppl call for your suspension...

I'm all for cheering to the police. Atch may be interested to look for the video of Irish football fans singing for Polish cop during Euro in Poland.

UK, Ireland / Polish in Britain - will I get decked if I speak Polish to these people? [63]

I actually think it's nice (if delivered correctly). It's sweet someone tries to make that effort. I definitely prefer it to someone who doesn't even make an effort to say my name.

News / Streets closed in Warsaw during NATO summit [146]

Oh yeah, because women trust a politician when he apeals to them...
For one you can say the same thing about Duda-maybe he scored high because he appeals to the ladies.
Plus- how mysoginistic can you get?
And I will wait till election to see what kind of support PiS will get. Wonder if this time they will manage to get re-elected.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

A few banks already said they are moving their ppl to Europe.
Companies are in UK because it's beneficial to them so if UK economy won't be as tempting as EU what do you think they will do? Why City was so much into EU? Because they know they may lose a lot. Why did the mayor of London want more independence?

I'm not saying that UK doesn't have bargain chips but it's not like it's all up to them and EU has to go with it.

And to answer what is so preferential about mutual deal- I agree but EU already said for them movement of ppl is part of the deal.

A lot depends on what UK will want to have. There are few scenarios with different kind of involvement. They have different benefits/responsibilities. I really do think EEA is the most probable outcome. But thinking they will get single market of capital and tarifs without free movement of labour is unrealistic.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

I'm not advocating punitive measures but I also don't understand why UK should get preferential treatment. Simple as that. And it's not as simple as import/export.

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]


Sorry but even if true (and I don't agree) what it has to do with anything? Polish ppl are not side to the negotiation. It will be decided by EU politicians.


True but again it seems to me like quite a lot of public and many politicians want it to be 'access to single market without giving anything in return'. And I think they will be very disappointed. Like many politicians thought they will be able to negotiate before trigging art. 50. Didn't happen either.


Great but what about all the other countries?

News / Streets closed in Warsaw during NATO summit [146]


Did you read recent trust for politician poll? Petru was second most trusted politician (right after Duda).